| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 23:25 - Feb 7 with 1082 views | Whos_blue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:33 - Feb 7 by EddyJ |
People who can't have children will be a small minority of those that don't.
As others have said, its not significantly different from child benefit or schools being paid for from taxation.
Having children is beneficial to society and expensive. People who don't have children (including those who can't) will not be providing that benefit or receiving that expense. I think it is fair to redistribute wealth to those who need it more. |
Doctor - "I'm sorry, but the cancer treatment/ endometriosis/eptopic pregnancy means you will be unable to have children and by the way, having children is beneficial to society and expensive. People who don't have children (including those who can't) will not be providing that benefit or receiving that expense. I think it is fair to redistribute wealth to those who need it more."
Deary me. |  |
| "I don't want to be like everyone else. That's why I'm a mod, see?" |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 07:40 - Feb 8 with 1008 views | CoachRob |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:52 - Feb 7 by EddyJ |
The only reason I worry about the enviornment is because I want the earth to be a fit home for humankind for millenia to come. Its the humans I care about, not the rock we live on.
As long as our birth rate is not causing our population to rise uncontrollably (which it isn't - our birth rate is already well below sustainable levels in this country and will be in virtually every country by the end of the century), I don't see the environment as a good argument in favour of anti-natalism. |
Care to explain how humans could survive on Earth without the biosphere and biogeochemical cycling? |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 08:01 - Feb 8 with 986 views | EddyJ |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 07:40 - Feb 8 by CoachRob |
Care to explain how humans could survive on Earth without the biosphere and biogeochemical cycling? |
I doubt they could. But that's not my argument. |  | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 09:51 - Feb 8 with 910 views | chicoazul |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:23 - Feb 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You could incentivise having kids in some way rather than punishing people who don't want kids or can't have them?
Lady Dollers has a slim chance of getting pregnant due to a health issue she was born with. And we should pay higher taxes because of that?!? |
Of course you shouldn’t. But it is a fact that you can’t have a growing economy with a low birth rate AND low immigration, which does in part explain why we have seen nearly 5m people enter the UK since 2021. |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 10:08 - Feb 8 with 890 views | Herbivore |
This is daft. People who don't have kids already subsidise those that do, their taxes pay for schools, health care,.and things like child benefits and tax credit. Why should they pay even more when they take less out? |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 10:18 - Feb 8 with 864 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 10:08 - Feb 8 by Herbivore |
This is daft. People who don't have kids already subsidise those that do, their taxes pay for schools, health care,.and things like child benefits and tax credit. Why should they pay even more when they take less out? |
seems perfectly reasonable to want to make it easier for people to have kids and to design tax on that basis. as you imply, all tax moves us away from the idea that you pay for what you use, and there may well be a case for shifting that balance a little further to make having kids more affordable. you may disagree, but it's hardly the scandalous idea that the op suggests. |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 10:26 - Feb 8 with 833 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 10:18 - Feb 8 by lowhouseblue |
seems perfectly reasonable to want to make it easier for people to have kids and to design tax on that basis. as you imply, all tax moves us away from the idea that you pay for what you use, and there may well be a case for shifting that balance a little further to make having kids more affordable. you may disagree, but it's hardly the scandalous idea that the op suggests. |
Making it easier for people to have kids is very different to punishing those who don't.
There are people who are suffering, absolutely desperate to have kids, but can't. And you're suggesting adding insult to injury, by advocating higher taxes on those people, is not a scandelous idea?!? |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 10:34 - Feb 8 with 805 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 10:26 - Feb 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Making it easier for people to have kids is very different to punishing those who don't.
There are people who are suffering, absolutely desperate to have kids, but can't. And you're suggesting adding insult to injury, by advocating higher taxes on those people, is not a scandelous idea?!? |
calm down.
given that reform are proposing to reduce tax in total (clearly a nonsense and fantasy proposal) what is being proposed is a shift in relative tax rates with people with children ending up with a lower total tax take and people without children ending up with a higher total tax rate. that's exactly what we had prior to 1980 when the child tax allowance was in place. having a differential tax rate between people with children and people without children is not shocking or scandalous and it is well within mainstream discussion of how as a society we make it easier for people with kids. relative tax rates between groups are very often manipulated to achieve socially desirable outcomes. | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 10:59 - Feb 8 with 767 views | Plums |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:55 - Feb 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Isn’t this one of the latest right wing things? And I don’t mean traditional family values. There’s a bit of a movement amongst American conservative women to push for women to stay out of the workplace and have kids young and be subservient to the ‘man’ of the house. It’s all a bit weird imo. Fine if you want to cosplay the 1890s I suppose, but no good for anyone else. |
There is form in right wing circles for this type of thing...
https://www.holocaust.org.uk/g
and before any of the Telegraph readers start spluttering into their cocoa...as with many things, they didn't start here, they had a 20 year run up.
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 11:10 - Feb 8 with 736 views | DJR |
Reform are a bit all over the place on support for people with children.
This from a few days ago.
"Reform MPs Lee Anderson, Danny Kruger, Sarah Pochin, Andrew Rosindell and Richard Tice voted against the Universal Credit (Removal of Two Child Limit) Bill at second reading on Tuesday.
Nigel Farage had no vote recorded, according to Parliament’s voting data, but has previously pledged to abolish the limit.
However, Ms Braverman and Mr Jenrick are listed as having voted for the two-child benefit cap to be scrapped.
According to reports, Ms Braverman and Mr Jenrick “got trapped as the doors were locked” after mistakenly entering the aye lobby."
It is really rather to difficult to take anything seriously that they say about policy but then again what they say is designed to garner support with the details or practicality completely irrelevant. [Post edited 8 Feb 11:29]
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 11:27 - Feb 8 with 711 views | DJR |
Who doesn't want to target 70 year old spinsters?  | | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 11:28 - Feb 8 with 707 views | leitrimblue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 17:56 - Feb 7 by Benters |
Pussy on toast ? |
If I understand correctly, what Flash is trying to say is, if you vote for Nig yer gonna have to get use to eating pussy |  | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 11:42 - Feb 8 with 691 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 10:34 - Feb 8 by lowhouseblue |
calm down.
given that reform are proposing to reduce tax in total (clearly a nonsense and fantasy proposal) what is being proposed is a shift in relative tax rates with people with children ending up with a lower total tax take and people without children ending up with a higher total tax rate. that's exactly what we had prior to 1980 when the child tax allowance was in place. having a differential tax rate between people with children and people without children is not shocking or scandalous and it is well within mainstream discussion of how as a society we make it easier for people with kids. relative tax rates between groups are very often manipulated to achieve socially desirable outcomes. |
I'm perfectly calm, thanks. You're twisting what the reform candidate has actually said to make it sound more palatable. Of course there are all kinds of stealth taxes and/or benefits, but he hasn't tried to dress it up like you have. He has literally said higher taxes for those without children. Punishment, in fact, for not having kids. And without an ounce of compassion. | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 11:43 - Feb 8 with 687 views | positivity |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 11:10 - Feb 8 by DJR |
Reform are a bit all over the place on support for people with children.
This from a few days ago.
"Reform MPs Lee Anderson, Danny Kruger, Sarah Pochin, Andrew Rosindell and Richard Tice voted against the Universal Credit (Removal of Two Child Limit) Bill at second reading on Tuesday.
Nigel Farage had no vote recorded, according to Parliament’s voting data, but has previously pledged to abolish the limit.
However, Ms Braverman and Mr Jenrick are listed as having voted for the two-child benefit cap to be scrapped.
According to reports, Ms Braverman and Mr Jenrick “got trapped as the doors were locked” after mistakenly entering the aye lobby."
It is really rather to difficult to take anything seriously that they say about policy but then again what they say is designed to garner support with the details or practicality completely irrelevant. [Post edited 8 Feb 11:29]
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that sums up braverman and jenrick, utterly clueless! | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:06 - Feb 8 with 637 views | Benters |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:18 - Feb 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Sure, but watch out for fur balls. |
Yeah they are not nice 😂🤮 |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:08 - Feb 8 with 636 views | Dubtractor |
Even if I agreed with this policy, which I don't, there is a pretty major flaw in the logic.
Reform want to cut migration immediately, whereas a taxation policy like this wouldn't see any benefit until the children born from it are adults, so we're talking 20 to 25 years time. What happens to the economy in the mean time? |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:13 - Feb 8 with 624 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 11:42 - Feb 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm perfectly calm, thanks. You're twisting what the reform candidate has actually said to make it sound more palatable. Of course there are all kinds of stealth taxes and/or benefits, but he hasn't tried to dress it up like you have. He has literally said higher taxes for those without children. Punishment, in fact, for not having kids. And without an ounce of compassion. |
you know that 'higher' is a relative term? you and i both pay higher taxes than someone who is blind. are we being 'punished' for not being blind? | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:20 - Feb 8 with 603 views | eireblue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 11:10 - Feb 8 by DJR |
Reform are a bit all over the place on support for people with children.
This from a few days ago.
"Reform MPs Lee Anderson, Danny Kruger, Sarah Pochin, Andrew Rosindell and Richard Tice voted against the Universal Credit (Removal of Two Child Limit) Bill at second reading on Tuesday.
Nigel Farage had no vote recorded, according to Parliament’s voting data, but has previously pledged to abolish the limit.
However, Ms Braverman and Mr Jenrick are listed as having voted for the two-child benefit cap to be scrapped.
According to reports, Ms Braverman and Mr Jenrick “got trapped as the doors were locked” after mistakenly entering the aye lobby."
It is really rather to difficult to take anything seriously that they say about policy but then again what they say is designed to garner support with the details or practicality completely irrelevant. [Post edited 8 Feb 11:29]
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Ahhh, that must be the level of experience that Farage was talking about, two experienced politicians, working together, given an option of aye, or no, managed to get confused.
A step up from other reform MPs. |  | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:28 - Feb 8 with 577 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:13 - Feb 8 by lowhouseblue |
you know that 'higher' is a relative term? you and i both pay higher taxes than someone who is blind. are we being 'punished' for not being blind? |
I've had you on ignore for a few months. Seems nothing's changed, you're still silly.
To explain (as you probably need it), the big difference with blind people is they don't have a choice. And there are a lot more things they can't do, because of not being able to see, so benefits are of course important for them. No, I don't see it as a punishment for me that disabled people get benefits.
It's not remotely comparable. You're doing more mental gymnastics than even Reform can be bothered to do, which is very odd. | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:46 - Feb 8 with 539 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:28 - Feb 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've had you on ignore for a few months. Seems nothing's changed, you're still silly.
To explain (as you probably need it), the big difference with blind people is they don't have a choice. And there are a lot more things they can't do, because of not being able to see, so benefits are of course important for them. No, I don't see it as a punishment for me that disabled people get benefits.
It's not remotely comparable. You're doing more mental gymnastics than even Reform can be bothered to do, which is very odd. |
hmmm.
the point i've made is that it is very common to vary relative tax rates to further various social objectives. we have done it before to help people with children. we do it help people who are blind. the possibility of doing it again to help people with children is well within mainstream discussion of policies to support families.
not all things you haven't thought of are mental gymnastics. i'll leave it there. | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:52 - Feb 8 with 518 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 12:46 - Feb 8 by lowhouseblue |
hmmm.
the point i've made is that it is very common to vary relative tax rates to further various social objectives. we have done it before to help people with children. we do it help people who are blind. the possibility of doing it again to help people with children is well within mainstream discussion of policies to support families.
not all things you haven't thought of are mental gymnastics. i'll leave it there. |
You've just repeated yourself, so probably best that you do just leave it there. | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 13:11 - Feb 8 with 477 views | J2BLUE |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 09:51 - Feb 8 by chicoazul |
Of course you shouldn’t. But it is a fact that you can’t have a growing economy with a low birth rate AND low immigration, which does in part explain why we have seen nearly 5m people enter the UK since 2021. |
What happens in 5-6 years when AI is doing 50% of jobs?
We're going to have to have some form of UBI or similar. |  | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 14:00 - Feb 8 with 412 views | chicoazul |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 13:11 - Feb 8 by J2BLUE |
What happens in 5-6 years when AI is doing 50% of jobs?
We're going to have to have some form of UBI or similar. |
5-6 years is hopelessly optimistic, or pessimistic if you prefer. Stick a zero on the end of both maybe. | |
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