| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins 22:41 - Feb 9 with 9320 views | J2BLUE |
If you're still working and you vote for Reform you really have a screw loose
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:04 - Feb 11 with 1135 views | Benters |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 09:32 - Feb 11 by J2BLUE |
It's the classic sneering at the younger generations. He didn't have the opportunity so why should anyone else? Doesn't impact him at all but going to support it just out of spite.
People like him would rather make their own lives worse just to stick it to other people as well. |
Crikey J2 you are miles out buh. |  |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:06 - Feb 11 with 1124 views | Benters |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 09:53 - Feb 11 by leitrimblue |
That's still no excuse for the poor job you did on my hedgerow.
Also i had to take a long liquid lunch everyday just to get outta the house, as was uncomfortable with the sight of you constantly bent over in yer tight shorts and string vest while slowly tending to the rose bushes.  |
That was supposed to be a secret đ€« | |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:23 - Feb 11 with 1060 views | J2BLUE |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:04 - Feb 11 by Benters |
Crikey J2 you are miles out buh. |
You've united me and VT.
The end times are here. | |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:43 - Feb 11 with 1000 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:04 - Feb 11 by Benters |
Crikey J2 you are miles out buh. |
Wouldnât you rather Councils stopped funding so much office space and actually spent the money on services and actually fix stuff. Seems an unnecessary overhead if they can do a lot of the roles at least partly from home. In my experience there definitely are some that abuse it, but not tackling them directly is just poor management. Akin to giving the whole class detention because of one kid messing around. |  | | |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:45 - Feb 11 with 978 views | vapour_trail |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:23 - Feb 11 by J2BLUE |
You've united me and VT.
The end times are here. |
We agree on plenty, J2. |  |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:45 - Feb 11 with 978 views | leitrimblue |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:23 - Feb 11 by J2BLUE |
You've united me and VT.
The end times are here. |
Nailed on for next year's Fifa peace prize |  | | |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:52 - Feb 11 with 941 views | Benters |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:45 - Feb 11 by leitrimblue |
Nailed on for next year's Fifa peace prize |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:58 - Feb 11 with 921 views | J2BLUE |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:45 - Feb 11 by vapour_trail |
We agree on plenty, J2. |
No we don't.
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 11:00 - Feb 11 with 909 views | leitrimblue |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 10:52 - Feb 11 by Benters |
Thanks to me đđ |
I like to think at this very moment Infantino is desperately trying to wrestle the trophy from Trumps sweaty orange fingers and FIFAs private helicopter will be landing on Bentleys impressive village green later today. | | | |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 12:27 - Feb 11 with 833 views | OldFart71 |
Whilst I think that maybe there's a place for working from home in certain jobs I do believe having workmates and working at your place of employment is very important.
Do you for instance have the same drive or is there the temptation to get up when you want and whilst I suspect many firms will monitor their home workers there may be a few that don't and that could lead to all sorts of problems.
Also those that do manual work would be exempt for obvious reasons and many do long hours and shift work so where is their life/work balance.
With the increase in N.I. and minimum wages which have decimated many companies the last thing they can afford are workers who are unproductive,
People of my Grandfathers era worked much harder than those of today. Technology has made manual work much easier, but like with farming and industry these things cost vast sums of money, | | | |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 12:35 - Feb 11 with 794 views | J2BLUE |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 12:27 - Feb 11 by OldFart71 |
Whilst I think that maybe there's a place for working from home in certain jobs I do believe having workmates and working at your place of employment is very important.
Do you for instance have the same drive or is there the temptation to get up when you want and whilst I suspect many firms will monitor their home workers there may be a few that don't and that could lead to all sorts of problems.
Also those that do manual work would be exempt for obvious reasons and many do long hours and shift work so where is their life/work balance.
With the increase in N.I. and minimum wages which have decimated many companies the last thing they can afford are workers who are unproductive,
People of my Grandfathers era worked much harder than those of today. Technology has made manual work much easier, but like with farming and industry these things cost vast sums of money, |
That's a lot of vague gibberish based on your opinions.
I work better from home. I don't want to be distracted or make the tedious office small talk.
You seem to think working from home means doing whatever you want. There is still work to be done, targets to hit and the same requirements as bring in an office. The only difference is you can sit here in a vest and pants in the middle of summer. | |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 12:39 - Feb 11 with 776 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 12:27 - Feb 11 by OldFart71 |
Whilst I think that maybe there's a place for working from home in certain jobs I do believe having workmates and working at your place of employment is very important.
Do you for instance have the same drive or is there the temptation to get up when you want and whilst I suspect many firms will monitor their home workers there may be a few that don't and that could lead to all sorts of problems.
Also those that do manual work would be exempt for obvious reasons and many do long hours and shift work so where is their life/work balance.
With the increase in N.I. and minimum wages which have decimated many companies the last thing they can afford are workers who are unproductive,
People of my Grandfathers era worked much harder than those of today. Technology has made manual work much easier, but like with farming and industry these things cost vast sums of money, |
Iâd like to know by what metrics you can evidence that generation worked harder? Possibly physically but given that output per head has increased in multitudes in the UK in the subsequent decades I think youâll struggle to prove that itâs your assertion is true. I dare say many of us are working more hours than that generation too. | | | |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 13:43 - Feb 11 with 718 views | Herbivore |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 12:27 - Feb 11 by OldFart71 |
Whilst I think that maybe there's a place for working from home in certain jobs I do believe having workmates and working at your place of employment is very important.
Do you for instance have the same drive or is there the temptation to get up when you want and whilst I suspect many firms will monitor their home workers there may be a few that don't and that could lead to all sorts of problems.
Also those that do manual work would be exempt for obvious reasons and many do long hours and shift work so where is their life/work balance.
With the increase in N.I. and minimum wages which have decimated many companies the last thing they can afford are workers who are unproductive,
People of my Grandfathers era worked much harder than those of today. Technology has made manual work much easier, but like with farming and industry these things cost vast sums of money, |
This is why forming a strong opinion on a narrow world view rather than on actual evidence is a bad idea, kids. |  |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 14:17 - Feb 11 with 645 views | Wright1 |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 12:27 - Feb 11 by OldFart71 |
Whilst I think that maybe there's a place for working from home in certain jobs I do believe having workmates and working at your place of employment is very important.
Do you for instance have the same drive or is there the temptation to get up when you want and whilst I suspect many firms will monitor their home workers there may be a few that don't and that could lead to all sorts of problems.
Also those that do manual work would be exempt for obvious reasons and many do long hours and shift work so where is their life/work balance.
With the increase in N.I. and minimum wages which have decimated many companies the last thing they can afford are workers who are unproductive,
People of my Grandfathers era worked much harder than those of today. Technology has made manual work much easier, but like with farming and industry these things cost vast sums of money, |
You've very much lived up to your name here.
Surely there is no need for monitoring in most jobs - if you have a workload and it is getting done, to the standard expected, then there is clearly no issue.
I work from home and if anything I find I get up less (to my detriment - I often have a screen headache or sore back at the end of the day). I often look forward to my working from home days as my "productive" days as I am essentially a writer and I can be undisturbed.
Manual workers not getting the opportunity to work from home is a ridiculous reason to take it away from others... I have mates who are tradeys who are aghast at my office hours - there are often on the golf course in summer evenings when I am only just leaving work. All jobs have their pros and cons.
Define harder - I would guess the average office worker now works longer hours than most points in our modern history and is more contactable than ever (and ironically able to work from anywhere) which increases work load, mental load and stress. For example, I have times where I put my kids to bed and log back on from home when deadlines are looming to help the team and my company.
You are very niave if you think technology easing processes and making things quickerhas lessened the burden on most. I can't imagine that you'll find many CEOs that see technology as a way to make life better for people - they see it as a way to increase outputs and further their profits. The "easier" things get the more of it you are expected to do.
Finally, working from home has saved most companies money. A multinational firm I worked for realised during covid that productivity hadn't dropped. As a result, they stopped renting one of our 2 office buildings they had in close proximity to each other and brought in hybrid working with hot desks. A lot of businesses no longer have facilities to accommodate all of their staff at this point and it would actively INCREASE costs for most decently sized businesses at this point if WFH were no longer an option | | | |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:28 - Feb 11 with 557 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 07:47 - Feb 11 by vapour_trail |
I think your final paragraph is very important to a lot of businesses. Not all though. I know people who work for firms without fixed offices and theyâre doing fine.
Iâm home based but travel to our offices all over the country as my team is increasingly dispersed these days - I never recruit to a fixed location. I agree with a lot of the rest of your post with regards myself as I like the mix. Sometime at home and some out and about.
Long and short is that Farage canât do anything in this space. Itâs up to the employer what sort of environment and culture they choose to establish. Not some work shy politician who never visits his constituency. |
For the record, I don't think a politician or the government should ever have a say on this.
If you live in a big bustling city, in a certain industries or a fast paced sales company that operates in teams, you're probably going to want to come into office environment for a number of reasons.
Maybe if you have kids, are at a different stage in your career, live in the suburbs/small town and you're in a different role, then I guess you might have a different perspective.
There is a reason why a lot of companies have mandated at least 3 days as week though. |  |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:44 - Feb 11 with 511 views | itfcjoe |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:28 - Feb 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
For the record, I don't think a politician or the government should ever have a say on this.
If you live in a big bustling city, in a certain industries or a fast paced sales company that operates in teams, you're probably going to want to come into office environment for a number of reasons.
Maybe if you have kids, are at a different stage in your career, live in the suburbs/small town and you're in a different role, then I guess you might have a different perspective.
There is a reason why a lot of companies have mandated at least 3 days as week though. |
The problem I see now is companies mandate people going in then it's all hot desking and finding a desk to sit with no one - you may as well be at home.
I loved the office environment when I was younger sitting with my team, getting the job done, and fact you have everyone at every level there was a massive deal for helping get to know everyone and learning....plus the social side of that too
Nowadays sounds so different, but I'd hate to start a junior level job at home on my own these days.
I basically WFH but from my parents so still have that little opportunity to get out of mine, and my wife does fully from ours - it's great at our stage of career and life and we've 'earned the right' to do so - but don't think it's great for youngsters now |  |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:46 - Feb 11 with 500 views | J2BLUE |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:44 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem I see now is companies mandate people going in then it's all hot desking and finding a desk to sit with no one - you may as well be at home.
I loved the office environment when I was younger sitting with my team, getting the job done, and fact you have everyone at every level there was a massive deal for helping get to know everyone and learning....plus the social side of that too
Nowadays sounds so different, but I'd hate to start a junior level job at home on my own these days.
I basically WFH but from my parents so still have that little opportunity to get out of mine, and my wife does fully from ours - it's great at our stage of career and life and we've 'earned the right' to do so - but don't think it's great for youngsters now |
Same really. I didn't get a job working from home until 33. I have previously been in several offices. | |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:50 - Feb 11 with 485 views | itfcjoe |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:46 - Feb 11 by J2BLUE |
Same really. I didn't get a job working from home until 33. I have previously been in several offices. |
The problem now is that those coming in when young aren't getting a proper office experience in a lot of jobs; and a lot of the things that can make it far more beneficial to working from home don't exist any more so it just becomes the worst of both worlds | |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:56 - Feb 11 with 459 views | DJR |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:50 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem now is that those coming in when young aren't getting a proper office experience in a lot of jobs; and a lot of the things that can make it far more beneficial to working from home don't exist any more so it just becomes the worst of both worlds |
Someone mentioned on the radio the other day a more serious problem, namely, that with AI there won't be the junior or graduate-level office jobs for many young people, the sort of jobs that would enable them to cut their teeth for progression up the ranks in later life. [Post edited 11 Feb 17:10]
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 16:18 - Feb 11 with 397 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 12:27 - Feb 11 by OldFart71 |
Whilst I think that maybe there's a place for working from home in certain jobs I do believe having workmates and working at your place of employment is very important.
Do you for instance have the same drive or is there the temptation to get up when you want and whilst I suspect many firms will monitor their home workers there may be a few that don't and that could lead to all sorts of problems.
Also those that do manual work would be exempt for obvious reasons and many do long hours and shift work so where is their life/work balance.
With the increase in N.I. and minimum wages which have decimated many companies the last thing they can afford are workers who are unproductive,
People of my Grandfathers era worked much harder than those of today. Technology has made manual work much easier, but like with farming and industry these things cost vast sums of money, |
Workers who work from home tend to be more productive, not less. That was done on page 1.
I agree there are certainly benefits to being in the office. Itâs easier to build teams/cultures and lead by example. On the flip side, employees like the flexibility and are happier. It doesnât suit everyone, so let organisations and staff choose and find their own path.
The whole point of the thread is that it shouldnât be mandated. Farage is simply using it as a political football because itâs emotive (and probably because of Ticeâs commercial property links). He doesnât believe in it because Reform have homeworkers and he isnât in his office (be that in his constituency or Westminster) all the time either. |  |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 16:22 - Feb 11 with 370 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:50 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem now is that those coming in when young aren't getting a proper office experience in a lot of jobs; and a lot of the things that can make it far more beneficial to working from home don't exist any more so it just becomes the worst of both worlds |
Agreed, the best way to learn on the job as a junior is to be with more senior people, watching them, taking it all in (not to mention the social side). You can't do that at home through the occasional Teams call.
Thankfully most of the ad agencies I work in still have the big offices, but there are a few smaller ones that don't. Hybrid, as mentioned earlier, is the best of both worlds. |  |
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 16:56 - Feb 11 with 306 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:44 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem I see now is companies mandate people going in then it's all hot desking and finding a desk to sit with no one - you may as well be at home.
I loved the office environment when I was younger sitting with my team, getting the job done, and fact you have everyone at every level there was a massive deal for helping get to know everyone and learning....plus the social side of that too
Nowadays sounds so different, but I'd hate to start a junior level job at home on my own these days.
I basically WFH but from my parents so still have that little opportunity to get out of mine, and my wife does fully from ours - it's great at our stage of career and life and we've 'earned the right' to do so - but don't think it's great for youngsters now |
I'd hate to be managing/coaching several trainees in these circumstances too. I am fortunate in my current role that I can WFH independently with no direct responsibility for the management of any junior employees. A previous role of mine (that I fortuitously left just before COVID) would have been a complete nightmare though.
It's funny how attitudes change. I used to staunchly be for being in the office and all the benefits that brings but feel like those benefits have eroded away over time to the point where I would happily WFH every day given the choice. I've got to the point where I resent the 30 minute (in good traffic) commute each way for a job that I can literally do as productively (if not more so) from home. | | | |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 16:57 - Feb 11 with 305 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:44 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem I see now is companies mandate people going in then it's all hot desking and finding a desk to sit with no one - you may as well be at home.
I loved the office environment when I was younger sitting with my team, getting the job done, and fact you have everyone at every level there was a massive deal for helping get to know everyone and learning....plus the social side of that too
Nowadays sounds so different, but I'd hate to start a junior level job at home on my own these days.
I basically WFH but from my parents so still have that little opportunity to get out of mine, and my wife does fully from ours - it's great at our stage of career and life and we've 'earned the right' to do so - but don't think it's great for youngsters now |
It's not hot desking for us, everyone has their own desk within their teams, they just only sit at it 3 days a week and leadership does 4 days a week.
To be honest I love it but get everyone's situation is different. If I WFH full time I'd be bored but also wouldn't live in the city. Would be pointless paying the higher cost of living, the wage and lifestyle comes with it though, even if I am not one of the young guns anymore, sigh. [Post edited 11 Feb 16:58]
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| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 18:25 - Feb 11 with 228 views | glasso |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:44 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem I see now is companies mandate people going in then it's all hot desking and finding a desk to sit with no one - you may as well be at home.
I loved the office environment when I was younger sitting with my team, getting the job done, and fact you have everyone at every level there was a massive deal for helping get to know everyone and learning....plus the social side of that too
Nowadays sounds so different, but I'd hate to start a junior level job at home on my own these days.
I basically WFH but from my parents so still have that little opportunity to get out of mine, and my wife does fully from ours - it's great at our stage of career and life and we've 'earned the right' to do so - but don't think it's great for youngsters now |
Completely agree about starting a new job from home. Wouldn't be my choice - I learnt more from my workmates in the early years than I ever did from my bosses. And it was great fun, too.
I also really like going to the office now... sometimes.
What I really don't like is idiots like Farage deciding they should have a say in how or where I work. Leave that to me and my bosses to sort out. | | | |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 18:52 - Feb 11 with 193 views | Dubtractor |
| Reform's attack on workers' rights begins on 15:44 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
The problem I see now is companies mandate people going in then it's all hot desking and finding a desk to sit with no one - you may as well be at home.
I loved the office environment when I was younger sitting with my team, getting the job done, and fact you have everyone at every level there was a massive deal for helping get to know everyone and learning....plus the social side of that too
Nowadays sounds so different, but I'd hate to start a junior level job at home on my own these days.
I basically WFH but from my parents so still have that little opportunity to get out of mine, and my wife does fully from ours - it's great at our stage of career and life and we've 'earned the right' to do so - but don't think it's great for youngsters now |
I'm one of the half and half types.
I tend to be much more productive at the 'getting stuff done' part of my job when working at home, but I have a reasonably senior (god knows how that happened!) role and need to be visible/available to my team and that bit of the job is more tricky to do at home. So for me that half and half balance works well.
I Like that balance, but to build on your third paragraph, I think it's got to be difficult for anyone who starts a new role at an organisation who are mostly home based. Not just about meeting people, but learning the job, as I think you learn as much from what you observe other people doing as you do from formal training. |  |
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