| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko 13:02 - Feb 10 with 5292 views | Illinoisblue |
Painful to listen to. Strong Sol Campbell vibes. |  |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:17 - Feb 10 with 1115 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:05 - Feb 10 by tetchris |
She’s no oil painting that’s for sure. She is just digging herself a deeper hole. Don’t think she was a particularly brilliant player either. We have women commentators in the men’s game, but men aren’t allowed to comment on women’s football. Not exactly equality is it. You don’t attack an Arsenal legend, England legend and a man who I understand has done lots of work promoting the woman’s game. On another note I see the two tw@ts Richard Keys and Andy Gray are returning to the UK as not having their contracts renewed. |
"She’s no oil painting that’s for sure"
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:25 - Feb 10 with 1093 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:17 - Feb 10 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"She’s no oil painting that’s for sure"
What's that adding to the conversation? |
Indeed. |  |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:25 - Feb 10 with 1098 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:17 - Feb 10 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"She’s no oil painting that’s for sure"
What's that adding to the conversation? |
Not the first comment of that sort. Rather gives some substance to some of what she complains about. |  |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:31 - Feb 10 with 1068 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 18:08 - Feb 10 by Dubtractor |
How on earth has this become news again?
Some of what she says has merit, but she comes across as having no humility at all, doesn't reflect well on her at all.
And fundamentally, she's not a good pundit, albeit that hasn't stopped plenty who played at the top of the men's game having a career in punditry. Paul Merson probably being the most outstanding example. |
I always think of Merson and Alan Brazil with a sense of the media looking after people who suffer similar problems.
It is a real shame that Eni Aluko cannot express her views in a better way. It doesn't help at all that she is not a good commentator. I don't really get her issue with Ian Wright. |  |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:33 - Feb 10 with 1049 views | chantryblueboy |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:31 - Feb 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I always think of Merson and Alan Brazil with a sense of the media looking after people who suffer similar problems.
It is a real shame that Eni Aluko cannot express her views in a better way. It doesn't help at all that she is not a good commentator. I don't really get her issue with Ian Wright. |
She had a career as a lawyer, she’s not an idiot and knows how to put her point across. She is just wrong | | | |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:35 - Feb 10 with 1047 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:31 - Feb 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I always think of Merson and Alan Brazil with a sense of the media looking after people who suffer similar problems.
It is a real shame that Eni Aluko cannot express her views in a better way. It doesn't help at all that she is not a good commentator. I don't really get her issue with Ian Wright. |
Her issue with Ian Wright is purely that she wants jobs that he is doing. And thinks that as its women's football and Wright talks about supporting womens game, he really ought to recognise that he is keeping a woman out of that slot.
Not a completely unreasonable idea. the issue is that she genuinely thinks she is the person to fill that slot and takes it personally, that someone who has far more visibility and potential to promote, has it. | |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 20:02 - Feb 10 with 985 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:35 - Feb 10 by redrickstuhaart |
Her issue with Ian Wright is purely that she wants jobs that he is doing. And thinks that as its women's football and Wright talks about supporting womens game, he really ought to recognise that he is keeping a woman out of that slot.
Not a completely unreasonable idea. the issue is that she genuinely thinks she is the person to fill that slot and takes it personally, that someone who has far more visibility and potential to promote, has it. |
And David Wright is keeping a woman out of a manager's job at Ipswich (Not sure who the Bournemouth womans manager is).
I'm happy for female pundits and commentators in the mens game and vice versa. | |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 20:45 - Feb 10 with 921 views | lazyblue |
Why on earth anyone though she should be a pundit on the men’s game is absolutely crazy , you want ex players who have played the game( male version) at the highest level. The problem is this damn box ticking which means you don’t get the best people for the job. | | | |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 20:56 - Feb 10 with 893 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 20:45 - Feb 10 by lazyblue |
Why on earth anyone though she should be a pundit on the men’s game is absolutely crazy , you want ex players who have played the game( male version) at the highest level. The problem is this damn box ticking which means you don’t get the best people for the job. |
Sky has got some excellent young reporters/commentators/summarisers (male and female) who have never played the game professionally.
Whilst some insight from former players is useful (and it matters little whether they are former top men's, women's or lower league players but rather their knowledge and ability to express it), the best commentary is from trained professionals (not former players). Think Brenner Woolley vs Mick Mills. Henry Blofeld vs Geoff Boycott. John Motson vs Alan Shearer.
A few former players stand out. Jimmy Armfield springs to mind as an ex-player who did become an excellent summariser. | |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 21:03 - Feb 10 with 881 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 20:45 - Feb 10 by lazyblue |
Why on earth anyone though she should be a pundit on the men’s game is absolutely crazy , you want ex players who have played the game( male version) at the highest level. The problem is this damn box ticking which means you don’t get the best people for the job. |
Whilst ther eis some merit in that, the reality is that most of the pundits we hear from are stupid and inane in their observations.
I am less and less convinced that their knowledge is worthwhile. | |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 21:34 - Feb 10 with 830 views | Cafe_Newman |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 19:17 - Feb 10 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"She’s no oil painting that’s for sure"
What's that adding to the conversation? |
I think it MAY be a contributing factor to why she is no longer contracted by ITFC.
Male and female pundits are a blend of communication skills, experience-based credibility, technical knowledge, charm, wit, attractive physical appearance and good interaction with other co-hosts to name a few.
To dismiss any of these qualities as irrelevant to their work as presenters on national TV is just reality-rejecting, politically-correct virtue-signaling. [Post edited 10 Feb 21:48]
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 15:24 - Feb 11 with 616 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 18:36 - Feb 10 by Cafe_Newman |
Having just watched the full 40+ minute programme, it looks like she called up Talk Sport in the hope that she could set the record straight about various comments she had made.
She got onto the show and it became evident that everyone had understood what she had said the first time around.
Simon Jordan, who despite being annoyingly smug, articulately delivered some painful home truths about Eni not being particularly likeable.
The interview closed with Eni intimating that she would take her attributes as a pundit elsewhere if they were not appreciated in the UK, but that it would have been better for everyone if they saw the world through her eyes rather than focus on the things she had said in the past.
Simply put, poor Eni doesn't really get the fact that going around with a face that says "I've got a massive chip on my shoulder" is not what the punters tune into football for. |
Sadly, I agree with some of this. Ian Wright could have been lost in the system as a kid, had it not been for one particular teacher who took Ian under his wing. He did not have a privileged upbringing - very far from it - and made something of himself when the odds were stacked against him.
Eni moved to the UK from Nigeria as a baby and had access to football and tennis from a young age. She took her A-level exams during Euro 2005, and subsequently studied law whilst playing football. She has done very well for herself and should be applauded for that effort.
Problem is, she has criticised an extremely likeable and popular 'underdog' type persona in Ian Wright, and the British public loves an underdog done good. Instead of backing down and moving on, she is trying to flog a dead horse to justify her position. It just isn't going to happen, and she needs to accept that.
She doesn't HAVE to be a pundit, either. She could actually go back into law and have an extremely lucrative career in that field.
It does seem rather disingenuous from the outside looking in. She hasn't managed this at all well |  |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 15:50 - Feb 11 with 543 views | andyblue231 |
Regardless of whether you agree with her I think one thing to bear in mind is what she went through with the whole Joey Barton thing.
I mean she was minding her own business and was then the subject of sustained and intense public abuse for a long time. I think a sympathetic view of all this is that that may have left her extremely vulnerable and traumatised. It would definitely have done that to me.
We see this all the time with right wing pundits who just gradually go crazier and crazier when exposed to criticism - Barton, Fox, most of America, currently.
I feel really sorry for her personally. She may well have just not been equipped to deal with what happened to her and that’s not a crime. | | | |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 16:08 - Feb 11 with 507 views | chicoazul |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 13:56 - Feb 10 by homer_123 |
I'll boil this down to something very simple. Which Simon Jordan has made clear.
She's not very good at her job (as a pundit). That's it. |
“Not being a good pundit” does not seem to prevent many many men getting regular punditry jobs across the football industry. |  |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 16:14 - Feb 11 with 491 views | andyblue231 |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 16:08 - Feb 11 by chicoazul |
“Not being a good pundit” does not seem to prevent many many men getting regular punditry jobs across the football industry. |
there's also a clear difference in the sort of life-ruining abuse you get for being a bad male pundit versus a bad female one. I don't think Lee Dixon gets rape threats for example.
we're going to end up with the only people in any sort of public facing job in this country being hard-edged, shouty alphas and we'd miss out on hearing from a lot of talented, shy, anxious and nice people. and I think that would be a shame.
but she's also not helping herself here, I agree. | | | |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 16:23 - Feb 11 with 469 views | andyblue231 |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 20:45 - Feb 10 by lazyblue |
Why on earth anyone though she should be a pundit on the men’s game is absolutely crazy , you want ex players who have played the game( male version) at the highest level. The problem is this damn box ticking which means you don’t get the best people for the job. |
Being an ex player seems to have little correlation to being a good pundit, or at least having the ability to convey all the knowledge they must presumably have. In fact I think they end up becoming lazy because of it.
The best pundits at the moment are journalists who haven't played the game - Rory Smith, Balague, Marcoti, Laurens.
And the best football writer I've read recently is Sarah Winterburn on football 365.
Eni wasn't a good pundit but plenty are. [Post edited 11 Feb 16:23]
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 16:57 - Feb 11 with 429 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I think she is just a poor pundit, as others have said being good at football doesnt equate to being a good pundit.
I think its fair to say that with the men, those that have a certain profile manage to keep getting jobs their punditry doesn't warrant and people are perhaps a little more forgiving if you have 100ish caps for the men's team.
Eni comes across as clichéd when ever I see her summing up and quite gaff prone (25 in 50 thats a goal a game or what ever it was), I don
think with some blokes similar gaffs are merely laughed off with a isnt he a one kind od attitude where ad with women they are seized upon more.
Her biggest issue is an inability to laugh these things off and be relatable. Thats what most people do and so can get away with those moments, which we all have in our day to day lives, Kammy missing the sending off a prime example of this, he plays into it, there is some banter and he's game to laugh about that and a few others instances over the years. Eni seems to have an auto reaction to things like that of its because I'm black and or a woman and immediately calls anyone out for offering any criticism of her and that's why people struggle to relate to her.
There is no doubt in my mind women have it tough talking about the game be it mens or women's football. Mem often don't help with some of the comments, x is a sesspool and and has become the go to place for donkeys to express their opinions. That said, we can see terrific growth in the women's game, many more female faces as pundits and on comms and many of them decent ones at that. Eni is not (IMO) and fails to take on board often v fair criticism, though I'm sure that much of what comes her way is rooted in racism and sexism much isnt and as other have said her decision making around which fights to pick often seems misguided at best [Post edited 11 Feb 17:01]
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 17:00 - Feb 11 with 422 views | Dubtractor |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 16:14 - Feb 11 by andyblue231 |
there's also a clear difference in the sort of life-ruining abuse you get for being a bad male pundit versus a bad female one. I don't think Lee Dixon gets rape threats for example.
we're going to end up with the only people in any sort of public facing job in this country being hard-edged, shouty alphas and we'd miss out on hearing from a lot of talented, shy, anxious and nice people. and I think that would be a shame.
but she's also not helping herself here, I agree. |
Agree with this and your previous post. The following 3 points are equally true.
- Aluko is a pretty poor pundit
- The level of abuse she has received has been unreal and not in any way fair or proportionate to her ability.
- Her public utterances about her own ability and views on Ian Wright are not doing her any favours at all, worse than that they are eroding the sympathy that some may have. |  |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 18:20 - Feb 11 with 307 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 21:34 - Feb 10 by Cafe_Newman |
I think it MAY be a contributing factor to why she is no longer contracted by ITFC.
Male and female pundits are a blend of communication skills, experience-based credibility, technical knowledge, charm, wit, attractive physical appearance and good interaction with other co-hosts to name a few.
To dismiss any of these qualities as irrelevant to their work as presenters on national TV is just reality-rejecting, politically-correct virtue-signaling. [Post edited 10 Feb 21:48]
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Wait? She worked for Town and we might have sacked her because of how she looks?
Has anyone told an employment tribunal this?
Also, apart from your obvious faux pas, "Male and female pundits are a blend of communication skills, experience-based credibility, technical knowledge, charm, wit, attractive physical appearance and good interaction with other co-hosts to name a few."
Have you never seen Gary O'Donahue? I'm afraid your view on this belongs in the past. [Post edited 11 Feb 18:26]
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 06:32 - Feb 12 with 116 views | SitfcB |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 18:08 - Feb 10 by Dubtractor |
How on earth has this become news again?
Some of what she says has merit, but she comes across as having no humility at all, doesn't reflect well on her at all.
And fundamentally, she's not a good pundit, albeit that hasn't stopped plenty who played at the top of the men's game having a career in punditry. Paul Merson probably being the most outstanding example. |
Because she done a podcast last week spouting more shíte with clips going viral on socials and the messaged Jim White about going in TalkSport! |  |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 06:54 - Feb 12 with 89 views | MK1 |
| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 13:56 - Feb 10 by homer_123 |
I'll boil this down to something very simple. Which Simon Jordan has made clear.
She's not very good at her job (as a pundit). That's it. |
She isn't alone in that camp. |  |
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| The latest stuff with Eni Aluko on 07:26 - Feb 12 with 47 views | DJR |
I can't say I've seen her in action or closely followed what she has said but this article in the Guardian doesn't reflect well on her.
https://www.theguardian.com/fo |  | | |
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