| Protect our women and girls they scream 12:25 - Feb 15 with 5029 views | Mullet |
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Even the Mail mob are disgusted by this in the comments, and rightly so. It’s absolutely baffling how this grift is still going, especially since the Epstein files leak showing Farage et al as willing lsckies for Bannon, Putin et al. |  |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:02 - Feb 16 with 1000 views | leitrimblue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 19:38 - Feb 15 by FoghornGleghorn |
Nah I know. Nobody leaning towards voting that way ever does, even when it's questioned out of genuine interest.
I'm genuinely interested, since it basically means people are looking at the States and thinking yep, that's going terrifically, I'm well up for making my life similarly markedly worse, more expensive and more dangerous in every conceivable way if it just means I don't have to read about so many minorities (I don't actually cross paths with) in the paper. And who better to deliver that outcome than the person who completely misled me as to what Brexit would do for me.
And I'd be genuinely interested to know what I'm overlooking, if an intention to vote that way wasn't driven by racism or gullible naivety. But it seems there definitely is such a rational explanation, it's just that they just don't feel like telling anyone what it is.
Definitely not racism or thickness, though. |
An alternative way of looking at it is why should potential Reform voters keep voting for Labour or Tories when they continue to fail to improve their lives?
Farage is clearly a chancer, who as no time for the poorest in society, but he as managed something that both Labour and the Tories have failed at- convincing the working class that he would pee on um if they were on fire.. |  | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:04 - Feb 16 with 996 views | Herbivore |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 16:04 - Feb 15 by reusersfreekicks |
Thick racist dipsh1ts
Or grifting racist conmen/women
100% of the Reform community |
The problem with posts like this is it gives the Reform voters - of whom there are several at least in our ranks - something to dispute. And with some justification as I'd be surprised if every single Reform voter is a grifter or a racist, but certainly they are comfortable cozying up to grifters and racists which isn't much better but is an important distinction.
And what that then allows is for those Reform voters to derail the thread and turn it away from one of their ilk being caught with sexual images of kids on his computer, which is what the thread was originally about. If Reform voters were asked to engage with things like the OP on a more sustained basis instead of being given an easy escape ramp then perhaps they might actually start to question whether they want to be associated with these kinds of people. Instead, they don't have to engage with that because they can just engage with you calling them all racist instead. [Post edited 16 Feb 12:08]
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:06 - Feb 16 with 986 views | MattinLondon |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:02 - Feb 16 by leitrimblue |
An alternative way of looking at it is why should potential Reform voters keep voting for Labour or Tories when they continue to fail to improve their lives?
Farage is clearly a chancer, who as no time for the poorest in society, but he as managed something that both Labour and the Tories have failed at- convincing the working class that he would pee on um if they were on fire.. |
That is definitely the greatest con which they’ve pulled - convincing their supporters that they actually care for them and outside of the establishment. |  | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:21 - Feb 16 with 946 views | SomethingBlue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 17:15 - Feb 15 by Benters |
I’m Reform and I’m none of those thank you very much. |
Then you're an apologist for them – which is equally bad. |  |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:26 - Feb 16 with 926 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:02 - Feb 16 by leitrimblue |
An alternative way of looking at it is why should potential Reform voters keep voting for Labour or Tories when they continue to fail to improve their lives?
Farage is clearly a chancer, who as no time for the poorest in society, but he as managed something that both Labour and the Tories have failed at- convincing the working class that he would pee on um if they were on fire.. |
If he'd appeared out of nowhere promising them that, then maybe you could forgive a bit of naive blind faith - but this same man agitated for Brexit, then takes no responsibility whatsoever for its complete failure to do what he said it would do in any fashion whatsoever, simply meets any resultant criticism by claiming it's in the past and people should get over it, and has demonstrably lied and failed to do the job he's elected to do ever since.
I'm undeniably fortunate enough not to be in a situation whereby rolling the dice and putting my faith in a proven liar to improve my status quo would be worth the gamble, but I'd love to understand more about those who are, and how they're able to dismiss the concerns of issues such as paying for their healthcare when it's something their Dear Leader has actually said.
But responses only ever seem to come from ignorance or bigotry. Or there's no response at all, in which case, it seems pretty reasonable to make assumptions on whether they'd have come from either or both. | | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:28 - Feb 16 with 914 views | MattinLondon |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:06 - Feb 16 by MattinLondon |
That is definitely the greatest con which they’ve pulled - convincing their supporters that they actually care for them and outside of the establishment. |
Actually, thinking about it, it could be convincing people that they are patriotic party. | | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:39 - Feb 16 with 881 views | leitrimblue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:26 - Feb 16 by FoghornGleghorn |
If he'd appeared out of nowhere promising them that, then maybe you could forgive a bit of naive blind faith - but this same man agitated for Brexit, then takes no responsibility whatsoever for its complete failure to do what he said it would do in any fashion whatsoever, simply meets any resultant criticism by claiming it's in the past and people should get over it, and has demonstrably lied and failed to do the job he's elected to do ever since.
I'm undeniably fortunate enough not to be in a situation whereby rolling the dice and putting my faith in a proven liar to improve my status quo would be worth the gamble, but I'd love to understand more about those who are, and how they're able to dismiss the concerns of issues such as paying for their healthcare when it's something their Dear Leader has actually said.
But responses only ever seem to come from ignorance or bigotry. Or there's no response at all, in which case, it seems pretty reasonable to make assumptions on whether they'd have come from either or both. |
I don't really want to be seen as a potential apologist for Reform. But I do have a lot of family and friends who are planning to/talking about voting Reform. The majority of them are not overtly racist.
I think part of yer second paragraph is very important. Many of these people are in a situation where they see rolling the dice as worth the gamble unfortunately.
Many of these people voting for Reform also voted for Brexit. I remember talking to one of um days before the Brexit vote and explaining why I thought it would be a disaster. He's answer as stuck with me for years, he said ' feck um, least it will feck everyone else up as much as us'. Incredible, but very telling I thought.
Turkeys voting for Xmas.. | | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:53 - Feb 16 with 836 views | Benters |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:21 - Feb 16 by SomethingBlue |
Then you're an apologist for them – which is equally bad. |
Maybe I am but I bet you didn’t see what I was accused of last night did you ?
I won’t say it on the forum as I don’t want to cause any upset or extra work for Admin.
But it was pretty disgusting and very untrue. |  |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:54 - Feb 16 with 838 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:39 - Feb 16 by leitrimblue |
I don't really want to be seen as a potential apologist for Reform. But I do have a lot of family and friends who are planning to/talking about voting Reform. The majority of them are not overtly racist.
I think part of yer second paragraph is very important. Many of these people are in a situation where they see rolling the dice as worth the gamble unfortunately.
Many of these people voting for Reform also voted for Brexit. I remember talking to one of um days before the Brexit vote and explaining why I thought it would be a disaster. He's answer as stuck with me for years, he said ' feck um, least it will feck everyone else up as much as us'. Incredible, but very telling I thought.
Turkeys voting for Xmas.. |
That's the trouble isn't it - how do you even talk to that? It's always going to be a very hard sell trying to persuade people in desperate situations that the light at the end of their tunnel is just a conman with a torch, but there seem to be so many others who are too far gone to accept facts, even when they demonstrate risk to their own self-interest, so what are you left with? I agree with earlier comments on the thread that branding it as stupidity doesn't help, but what else is it, really? | | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:55 - Feb 16 with 823 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:53 - Feb 16 by Benters |
Maybe I am but I bet you didn’t see what I was accused of last night did you ?
I won’t say it on the forum as I don’t want to cause any upset or extra work for Admin.
But it was pretty disgusting and very untrue. |
oooh did someone say some hurty words? Snowflake.
At least you don't have a brown face huh. |  | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:57 - Feb 16 with 814 views | J2BLUE |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:53 - Feb 16 by Benters |
Maybe I am but I bet you didn’t see what I was accused of last night did you ?
I won’t say it on the forum as I don’t want to cause any upset or extra work for Admin.
But it was pretty disgusting and very untrue. |
It was vile and out of order. The poster has been saved by the deletion.
But this is an entirely separate issue. Reform will do nothing for normal people and they won't solve the immigration crisis. The candidates they are finding are the dregs of society. I dread to think what they would do to the country. |  |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 13:14 - Feb 16 with 748 views | leitrimblue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:54 - Feb 16 by FoghornGleghorn |
That's the trouble isn't it - how do you even talk to that? It's always going to be a very hard sell trying to persuade people in desperate situations that the light at the end of their tunnel is just a conman with a torch, but there seem to be so many others who are too far gone to accept facts, even when they demonstrate risk to their own self-interest, so what are you left with? I agree with earlier comments on the thread that branding it as stupidity doesn't help, but what else is it, really? |
Exactly, yer not gonna change their opinion easily. Many feel they have nothing to lose and dragging others down with them is considered a win.
I think Labour attempting to communicate and appealing to the working class would be a start. Not sure they are capable of that though unfortunately | | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 13:15 - Feb 16 with 742 views | leitrimblue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:55 - Feb 16 by FromReuserWithLove |
oooh did someone say some hurty words? Snowflake.
At least you don't have a brown face huh. |
Was way more then that. Was extremely libellous and dangerous | | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 13:34 - Feb 16 with 700 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:55 - Feb 16 by FromReuserWithLove |
oooh did someone say some hurty words? Snowflake.
At least you don't have a brown face huh. |
No. Somebody suggested something vile and libelous. I'm amazed the poster who did so is still able to post tbh. |  |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 14:02 - Feb 16 with 652 views | Benters |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:55 - Feb 16 by FromReuserWithLove |
oooh did someone say some hurty words? Snowflake.
At least you don't have a brown face huh. |
See what Glassers said. | |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 14:05 - Feb 16 with 633 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 13:34 - Feb 16 by GlasgowBlue |
No. Somebody suggested something vile and libelous. I'm amazed the poster who did so is still able to post tbh. |
sorry, was just batting back the standard response from those who say the most atrocious thing on social media. | | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 14:08 - Feb 16 with 616 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 14:05 - Feb 16 by FromReuserWithLove |
sorry, was just batting back the standard response from those who say the most atrocious thing on social media. |
No problem. You didn't see it and weren't to know. | |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 16:42 - Feb 16 with 489 views | SomethingBlue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:53 - Feb 16 by Benters |
Maybe I am but I bet you didn’t see what I was accused of last night did you ?
I won’t say it on the forum as I don’t want to cause any upset or extra work for Admin.
But it was pretty disgusting and very untrue. |
I didn't and if they've done that then there's clearly no excuse for it. | |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 16:56 - Feb 16 with 448 views | Benters |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 16:42 - Feb 16 by SomethingBlue |
I didn't and if they've done that then there's clearly no excuse for it. |
Fair play to you. | |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 17:04 - Feb 16 with 430 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 12:39 - Feb 16 by leitrimblue |
I don't really want to be seen as a potential apologist for Reform. But I do have a lot of family and friends who are planning to/talking about voting Reform. The majority of them are not overtly racist.
I think part of yer second paragraph is very important. Many of these people are in a situation where they see rolling the dice as worth the gamble unfortunately.
Many of these people voting for Reform also voted for Brexit. I remember talking to one of um days before the Brexit vote and explaining why I thought it would be a disaster. He's answer as stuck with me for years, he said ' feck um, least it will feck everyone else up as much as us'. Incredible, but very telling I thought.
Turkeys voting for Xmas.. |
Any use? 
(Not serious for anyone in doubt!) |  |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 17:25 - Feb 16 with 411 views | leitrimblue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 17:04 - Feb 16 by Swansea_Blue |
Any use?
(Not serious for anyone in doubt!) |
More then you could ever imagine.. | | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 10:07 - Feb 17 with 282 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 17:15 - Feb 15 by Benters |
I’m Reform and I’m none of those thank you very much. |
Benters, I ask these questions respectfully, and it is personal so if you don't want to answer then that is entirely up to you.
I think I remember correctly that you have posted about being a cancer survivor, who is grateful to the NHS for saving your life.
Nigel Farage has strongly suggested that he supports the UK moving from the current NHS system, free at the point of need, to an American style health insurance system.
1) As a Reform supporter, would you support this if it became Reform policy and was in their Manifesto for the next General Election?
2) If this had been Government policy at the time when you were diagnosed with your cancer, do you think it likely that you would have had adequate insurance in place to provide sufficient care to save your life?
3) How much, roughly, do you think an average 50 to 60 year old American pays each month for health insurance sufficient to cover for that?
4) Now that you are a cancer survivor, if Farage was elected and introduced this policy, how much do you think you would now be charged for health insurance from this point onwards? And would you be covered for a reoccurrence of your cancer?
5) Could you afford it?
6) What would you say to a younger relative, friend or neighbour who couldn't afford such health insurance, if they were diagnosed with the same illness you had, and were unable to receive the same treatment that saved your life?
7) Do you still want to vote for Farage's Reform Party?
I mean these questions genuinely because I don't think I would be able to afford American style healthcare, so, as a man in my mid-50s, it is a matter of life and death to me that people who choose to vote for Reform only do so if they understand what we risk losing. | | | |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 10:17 - Feb 17 with 259 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 10:07 - Feb 17 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Benters, I ask these questions respectfully, and it is personal so if you don't want to answer then that is entirely up to you.
I think I remember correctly that you have posted about being a cancer survivor, who is grateful to the NHS for saving your life.
Nigel Farage has strongly suggested that he supports the UK moving from the current NHS system, free at the point of need, to an American style health insurance system.
1) As a Reform supporter, would you support this if it became Reform policy and was in their Manifesto for the next General Election?
2) If this had been Government policy at the time when you were diagnosed with your cancer, do you think it likely that you would have had adequate insurance in place to provide sufficient care to save your life?
3) How much, roughly, do you think an average 50 to 60 year old American pays each month for health insurance sufficient to cover for that?
4) Now that you are a cancer survivor, if Farage was elected and introduced this policy, how much do you think you would now be charged for health insurance from this point onwards? And would you be covered for a reoccurrence of your cancer?
5) Could you afford it?
6) What would you say to a younger relative, friend or neighbour who couldn't afford such health insurance, if they were diagnosed with the same illness you had, and were unable to receive the same treatment that saved your life?
7) Do you still want to vote for Farage's Reform Party?
I mean these questions genuinely because I don't think I would be able to afford American style healthcare, so, as a man in my mid-50s, it is a matter of life and death to me that people who choose to vote for Reform only do so if they understand what we risk losing. |
Whilst those are all fair questions to ask betters, may I just make one correction. Farage has said that he would prefer an insurance based health care system based in a European model rather than that of the USA. European systems such as the Dutch model have safety nets for the low paid and unemployed so that they receive the same service as those who can afford to pay. And the premiums are at a similar level to the taxation and NI payments we make that go to the NHS.
We need to get away from this argument that it is a binary choice between the NHS or the dreadful US system. | |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 10:27 - Feb 17 with 221 views | Mullet |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 10:17 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Whilst those are all fair questions to ask betters, may I just make one correction. Farage has said that he would prefer an insurance based health care system based in a European model rather than that of the USA. European systems such as the Dutch model have safety nets for the low paid and unemployed so that they receive the same service as those who can afford to pay. And the premiums are at a similar level to the taxation and NI payments we make that go to the NHS.
We need to get away from this argument that it is a binary choice between the NHS or the dreadful US system. |
Except it is under Farage. He’s in the pockets of the worst American scum and billionaires. He’s not talking about anything else but what he’s paid to bring in.
Let’s not pretend otherwise. | |
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| Protect our women and girls they scream on 10:30 - Feb 17 with 340 views | MattinLondon |
| Protect our women and girls they scream on 10:27 - Feb 17 by Mullet |
Except it is under Farage. He’s in the pockets of the worst American scum and billionaires. He’s not talking about anything else but what he’s paid to bring in.
Let’s not pretend otherwise. |
That’s my fear as well - Farage has no shame and only cares about himself and his bank balance. He and his mates won’t give a damn about getting rid of the NHS. | | | |
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