| The split in the far-right vote 04:10 - Feb 18 with 19979 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Great to see. Albeit Lowe on Twitter is disturbing.
Anyone on here willing to admit they would vote Restore? Makes Farage and his lot look moderate in comparison some of that nazi sh** coming from Lowe. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 18:06 - Feb 22 with 991 views | Benters |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:39 - Feb 22 by eireblue |
Another person demonstrating ignorance of simple maths and statistics. |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 18:26 - Feb 22 with 937 views | eireblue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 17:59 - Feb 22 by JackNorthStand |
You implied that asylum seekers weren’t included as foreign nationals and have just had another car crash comment.
Those hat you mentioned as being in the UK on holiday, with work visas and students are all here with passports and have been given permission to enter, so due diligence has been taken to come to that decision.
People arriving illegally on boats have gone through no such checks at that point. |
“ There is a disproportionate amount of foreign nationals that enter the UK and are convicted of sexual offences”
You do understand you have just proved my point.
Foreign nationals are not the same as asylum seekers.
You just pointed that out.
But it is you using a stat about foreign nationals, to say something about asylum seekers.
There are over 10 Million people or roughly 16% of the U.K. population that will be described as foreign nationals.
As you helpful have pointed out, a completely different demographic, which you now seem to be aware of.
Either you realised this, already, and are dishonestly misusing stats, or were ignorant of that. |  | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:28 - Feb 22 with 932 views | eireblue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:06 - Feb 22 by Benters |
Cheer up mate |
Again, another comment based on something you have no facts on. | | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:50 - Feb 22 with 907 views | Herbivore |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:00 - Feb 22 by JackNorthStand |
Scary that 65% of those entering are not entitled to asylum and have tried to abuse the system.
The value of the Rwanda scheme is that eliminates risk that comes with allowing someone to stay in the UK, who has entered the UK by small boat, illegally, without first being vetted. [Post edited 22 Feb 18:05]
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You do realise that 45% of asylum applications being successful means that 55% are unsuccessful, not 65% as you're claiming. Some of those who are rejected initially will also be successful on appeal. And for those who are rejected on appeal and made to leave, the fact their claim has been rejected doesn't mean they are here for nefarious reasons, it means they've not met the prescribed conditions to be granted asylum. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 19:29 - Feb 22 with 859 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:50 - Feb 22 by Herbivore |
You do realise that 45% of asylum applications being successful means that 55% are unsuccessful, not 65% as you're claiming. Some of those who are rejected initially will also be successful on appeal. And for those who are rejected on appeal and made to leave, the fact their claim has been rejected doesn't mean they are here for nefarious reasons, it means they've not met the prescribed conditions to be granted asylum. |
Thanks, 55% is correct - typo as I was walking.
As we move onto page 15 of this thread whilst we all have different views and opinions and whilst we may not agree, I have to say it’s been good to debate without it getting out of hand as some of these threads have previously ( not with me personally ).
On that note, good night ladies and gentleman. |  | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 19:42 - Feb 22 with 834 views | JackNorthStand |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:26 - Feb 22 by eireblue |
“ There is a disproportionate amount of foreign nationals that enter the UK and are convicted of sexual offences”
You do understand you have just proved my point.
Foreign nationals are not the same as asylum seekers.
You just pointed that out.
But it is you using a stat about foreign nationals, to say something about asylum seekers.
There are over 10 Million people or roughly 16% of the U.K. population that will be described as foreign nationals.
As you helpful have pointed out, a completely different demographic, which you now seem to be aware of.
Either you realised this, already, and are dishonestly misusing stats, or were ignorant of that. |
I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make, you seem to be going around in circles.
I posted, just now saying goodnight and it’s been a good debate before I saw your reply, but felt I owed you a reply. So on that note goodnight | | | |
| The split in the far-right vote on 19:44 - Feb 22 with 828 views | StokieBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 18:00 - Feb 22 by JackNorthStand |
Scary that 65% of those entering are not entitled to asylum and have tried to abuse the system.
The value of the Rwanda scheme is that eliminates risk that comes with allowing someone to stay in the UK, who has entered the UK by small boat, illegally, without first being vetted. [Post edited 22 Feb 18:05]
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You need to work on your maths.
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| The split in the far-right vote on 19:46 - Feb 22 with 820 views | StokieBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 19:29 - Feb 22 by JackNorthStand |
Thanks, 55% is correct - typo as I was walking.
As we move onto page 15 of this thread whilst we all have different views and opinions and whilst we may not agree, I have to say it’s been good to debate without it getting out of hand as some of these threads have previously ( not with me personally ).
On that note, good night ladies and gentleman. |
You said it twice, 50 minutes apart.
I don't really feel it has been a good debate, you've deliberately not engaged with most of the points.
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| The split in the far-right vote on 03:15 - Feb 23 with 699 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Terrifying. Every Rupert Lowe tweet goes like this:
Genuinely makes me feel sad | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 04:28 - Feb 23 with 681 views | Benters |
| The split in the far-right vote on 03:15 - Feb 23 by The_Romford_Blue |
Terrifying. Every Rupert Lowe tweet goes like this:
Genuinely makes me feel sad |
Well you would think that if you moved to a country you would learn the native tongue?
Right off to the kitchen goose stepping as I go or something. [Post edited 23 Feb 4:39]
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| The split in the far-right vote on 06:40 - Feb 23 with 661 views | bluelagos |
| The split in the far-right vote on 04:28 - Feb 23 by Benters |
Well you would think that if you moved to a country you would learn the native tongue?
Right off to the kitchen goose stepping as I go or something. [Post edited 23 Feb 4:39]
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My Yoruba, Kpelle, Duala, Swahili and Chewa are all limited to a handful of words.
Fortunately the locals were always welcoming and forgiving of my limited linguistic abilities and patient too.
Being nice or unpleasant to foreign visitors or migrants is a personal choice and a shame we in the UK seem unable to reflect the attitudes of many around the world in welcoming those from overseas. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 06:53 - Feb 23 with 616 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 04:28 - Feb 23 by Benters |
Well you would think that if you moved to a country you would learn the native tongue?
Right off to the kitchen goose stepping as I go or something. [Post edited 23 Feb 4:39]
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The last government cut funding further English lessons.
https://www.refugee-action.org |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 06:59 - Feb 23 with 607 views | noggin |
| The split in the far-right vote on 04:28 - Feb 23 by Benters |
Well you would think that if you moved to a country you would learn the native tongue?
Right off to the kitchen goose stepping as I go or something. [Post edited 23 Feb 4:39]
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Yeah because all those pensioners living on the Costa Del Sol, speak fluent Spanish.
I know Brits who have been in over here for decades and still don't speak Norwegian.
On the flip side, just because you hear someone speaking a foreign language, doesn't mean they are 'incapable' of speaking English. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 06:59 - Feb 23 with 599 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The split in the far-right vote on 04:28 - Feb 23 by Benters |
Well you would think that if you moved to a country you would learn the native tongue?
Right off to the kitchen goose stepping as I go or something. [Post edited 23 Feb 4:39]
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The point is, there aren't entire streets where people are almost incapable of speaking the language. It's more dog whistling bollix. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 07:06 - Feb 23 with 582 views | bluelagos |
| The split in the far-right vote on 06:59 - Feb 23 by noggin |
Yeah because all those pensioners living on the Costa Del Sol, speak fluent Spanish.
I know Brits who have been in over here for decades and still don't speak Norwegian.
On the flip side, just because you hear someone speaking a foreign language, doesn't mean they are 'incapable' of speaking English. |
Stopped once on the Costa Del Sol with a mates inlaws who'd been there 20+ years.
Two things struck me, when I asked about the bus into town they said they'd not once caught it, and they labelled one beach a "Spanish beach"
It was clear the levels of ntegration were minimal, literally living in a mini-England bubble using pubs and shops where everything was in English.
I don't particularly have a problem with it (is a bit sad to miss out on a local culture) but do object to the double standards where say an elderly Indian or Pakistani grandmother is judged for largely speaking their language in a community in the UK. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 07:09 - Feb 23 with 562 views | Benters |
You can learn a language from a book buh. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 07:13 - Feb 23 with 539 views | noggin |
| The split in the far-right vote on 07:09 - Feb 23 by Benters |
You can learn a language from a book buh. |
How many have you learnt? | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 07:18 - Feb 23 with 510 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The split in the far-right vote on 07:13 - Feb 23 by noggin |
How many have you learnt? |
And also, why do we bother with teachers if we can just learn stuff from books? | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 07:24 - Feb 23 with 491 views | Benters |
| The split in the far-right vote on 07:13 - Feb 23 by noggin |
How many have you learnt? |
I haven’t moved to a foreign land buh.
I would like to live in America though in a southern state. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 07:25 - Feb 23 with 483 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 07:09 - Feb 23 by Benters |
You can learn a language from a book buh. |
How do you suggest they access these books when living on just £7.02 a day? They can’t get a job because they can’t speak the language. Surely it would be better for the tax payer to fund an English lessons so somebody coming to this country can integrate into the community contribute to the economy?
Just shoving a book in somebody’s hand won’t teach them English. Anymore than me shoving an alternative book in your hand would teach you Arabic.
We complain that people arriving in this country refuse to intend then out every obstacle in their way to prevent them from doing so. | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 07:34 - Feb 23 with 461 views | noggin |
| The split in the far-right vote on 07:24 - Feb 23 by Benters |
I haven’t moved to a foreign land buh.
I would like to live in America though in a southern state. |
"I would like to live in America though in a southern state."
Presumably not in a black or hispanic neighborhood though? | |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 07:51 - Feb 23 with 415 views | NewcyBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 07:09 - Feb 23 by Benters |
You can learn a language from a book buh. |
Nah, not properly.
I’ve learnt enough Polish, Romanian, and Tagalog to have fun in port just by sailing and conversing with the guys.
I tried learning Chinese using Duolingo, being able to tell people that I am Italian wasn’t too helpful.
My German is alright when I actually spend some time there.
I’m not very good with languages though. |  |
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| The split in the far-right vote on 07:59 - Feb 23 with 393 views | bluelagos |
| The split in the far-right vote on 07:51 - Feb 23 by NewcyBlue |
Nah, not properly.
I’ve learnt enough Polish, Romanian, and Tagalog to have fun in port just by sailing and conversing with the guys.
I tried learning Chinese using Duolingo, being able to tell people that I am Italian wasn’t too helpful.
My German is alright when I actually spend some time there.
I’m not very good with languages though. |
Le Singe est dans l'arbre!
One of the reasons I stopped yoruba lessons was the teacher was obsessed with a book that gave us such gems as "The king is sitting on his throne"...
Really helpful when you want to buy a loaf of bread. [Post edited 23 Feb 8:01]
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| The split in the far-right vote on 08:09 - Feb 23 with 372 views | DJR |
Leaving aside Reform and Restore, this seems to me to be pretty awful, and these are people who are here legally.
https://www.theguardian.com/so
"UK migrant families face giving up vital in-work benefits to avoid being ‘punished’
Under Shabana Mahmood’s proposals, wait for settled status would double to 20 years if public funds used while in work"
But nobody seems to care, just as nobody seems to care more generally about the moving of the goal posts for gaining settled status for people who have already entered the country. [Post edited 23 Feb 8:13]
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| The split in the far-right vote on 08:20 - Feb 23 with 335 views | StokieBlue |
| The split in the far-right vote on 07:59 - Feb 23 by bluelagos |
Le Singe est dans l'arbre!
One of the reasons I stopped yoruba lessons was the teacher was obsessed with a book that gave us such gems as "The king is sitting on his throne"...
Really helpful when you want to buy a loaf of bread. [Post edited 23 Feb 8:01]
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What if you need to say someone is on the loo though?
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