| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: 17:29 - Feb 21 with 8382 views | carlo88 |
Ipswich are the most over coached team I’ve seen.
McKenna reminds me of Arteta - way too bothered with overcomplicating things with the best squad in the league.
I think he might have nailed it. |  | | |  |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 14:30 - Feb 23 with 884 views | mrshallisfit |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 14:08 - Feb 23 by JakeITFC |
Please do.
I think a fair criticism of McKenna this season is that he was too worried about making us Premier League ready in our approach and wanted to make us a team that controlled games and limited transitions and so Leif was there to give us a central body (think we also wanted a more physical profile as our central 10 to change from a playmaker to a runner in behind/second striker). I also think that Leif’s output has been impacted by the way that Philogene wants to play and had quite a lot of success with in the first half of the season.
As it happens I think we’ve actually gone back to a more similar style to our last championship team since January - Mehmeti is a more classic McKenna style number 10, Clarke is tucking in more and Leif is getting around the outside again. This has left us a bit more exposed on the transition as a result (and unfortunately we were on the wrong side of the basketball games that we used to love on Saturday).
Who knows which way it will go from here, but I think one thing is for sure and that is if we go up we need a fairly big overhaul of personnel and style to have any chance in the Prem. |
So little progress this season. |  | | |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 14:34 - Feb 23 with 869 views | eireblue |
I wonder how many ex-Players, are doing better once they have left the McKenna training regime and are unleashed. |  | | |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 15:51 - Feb 23 with 815 views | longtimefan |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 13:01 - Feb 23 by Shobby |
There are times when it is important to play ugly and hang on to 3 points - clearly we cannot do that very successfully. |
Really? Other than Saturday we haven't failed to win an away game that we've led in. The two occasions it's happened at home were in the first month of the season. | | | |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 16:30 - Feb 23 with 784 views | farkenhell |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 14:34 - Feb 23 by eireblue |
I wonder how many ex-Players, are doing better once they have left the McKenna training regime and are unleashed. |
Good question. I think the answer is none (at least, I can't think of one). Possibly Delap and/or Hutchinson might in time, but currently I don't think they have shown any improvement since joining their current clubs.
If I was churlish (which I'm not) I would say Woolfy. | | | |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 16:59 - Feb 23 with 737 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 14:34 - Feb 23 by eireblue |
I wonder how many ex-Players, are doing better once they have left the McKenna training regime and are unleashed. |
Not many (none) but then we’ve moved on ‘lesser’ players who benefited from being part of a great team, so you’d probably not expect them to progress. Now we have better players (multiple golden boot winners, prior PL experience, etc) but they seem to be part of a lesser team. Make it make sense lol.
I’m not sure whether that tells us more about our coaching, recruiting or what.
Having said that, we’re still one of the better sides in the division. You’d think we were in our customary 15th spot based on some of the mewling. [Post edited 23 Feb 17:00]
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 17:58 - Feb 23 with 700 views | USA |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 20:14 - Feb 21 by TheBlueGnu |
this ain't a healthy forum, it's a pathetic forum. |
Rich coming from you given your weird posts about Barbara Knox and Nigel Havers etc etc | |
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 21:50 - Feb 23 with 647 views | Bent_double |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 08:05 - Feb 23 by OldFart71 |
Could it be that our team would be more suited to the Premier League than the Championship.
The Championship needs a blend of class and getting stuck in players.
When you break down our squad we have the likes of Philogene,Clarke, Egeli,Cajuste,Taylor ,Mehmeti and Davis. All technically good, but none of your get stuck in type players.
I don't necessarily go with the overcoached angle although you must allow players to express themselves and a good knowledge of the opposition.
That is why it was disturbing to see the likes of Moore and Broadhead score against us as we had first class knowledge of both of them.
There does seem to be a problem with the blend. Like tea and coffee the wrong blend ends with a bad taste in your mouth.
Maybe the likes of MA and KM are so tied up with profit making due to the Gamechanger situation that they are buying too many players with a sell on profit in mind rather than the here and now ? |
I agree with your first sentence, I think McKenna has tried to build a side that should be able to compete better in the PL than the last one.
Unfortunately, getting to the PL either requires something else, something we're lacking at the moment. It may still come, top 2 or win the POs, but I'm not entirely convinced at the moment. |  |
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 22:23 - Feb 23 with 620 views | peterleeblue |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 21:50 - Feb 23 by Bent_double |
I agree with your first sentence, I think McKenna has tried to build a side that should be able to compete better in the PL than the last one.
Unfortunately, getting to the PL either requires something else, something we're lacking at the moment. It may still come, top 2 or win the POs, but I'm not entirely convinced at the moment. |
In the games I have seen live - Middlesbrough A, Hull A , Preston (H) and the TV games I believe we are trying to play a controlled game in the style of established premier league clubs. Its like we learnt this last season. The Championship requires a different skill set with many teams happy to allow us possession but exploit our mistakes of which we make too many. We have good chances in many games and we fail to take them. On Saturday the fact we went to toe to toe and put ourselves into the winning position followed by the inability to switch tactics and manage the game out is a concern.
Maybe to get it absolutely right we need wither a little more patience or maybe a lot in terms of the fact we might yet need another season. |  | | |
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 22:28 - Feb 23 with 608 views | TheBlueGnu |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 17:58 - Feb 23 by USA |
Rich coming from you given your weird posts about Barbara Knox and Nigel Havers etc etc |
sure is ! | |
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 22:42 - Feb 23 with 597 views | mrshallisfit |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 09:43 - Feb 22 by farkenhell |
Rather than throw out a cheap insult, how about you take a look at the inconsistency in your own post? Whether or not KM overcoaches as you say is up for debate, however that was not the cause of yesterday's defeat. You rightly point out that we came back (twice) after going behind and then took the lead, however we then "imploded due to poor defending". In fact all 5 goals that we conceded were due to Sunday League defending. But what's that got to do with overcoaching? What more could KM have done, or indeed any manager with the resources at his reach, to counteract such piss poor individual mistakes?
Bottom line is if you concede 5 goals in a game, you're going to lose. |
Ive been consistent through my posts. And the lack of insight in the original poster's post was showing reasonable levels of thickness. Why you have piped up, who knows and who cares.
McK rigidly keeps to a system. No flexibility. Our inability to fight back when things go wrong is probably a mixture of mental weakness in the players brought in and the dogmatic coaching that stifles playing off the cuff or quickly changing to adapt to ever changing situations in a match. Ironically, some positive aspects of this last feature were in evidence on Saturday. But this was completely undone by woeful defending and very poor game management. The latter aspect has been on clear display in nearly every gane we have lost this season. [Post edited 23 Feb 22:43]
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 23:12 - Feb 23 with 541 views | chantryblueboy |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 16:59 - Feb 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Not many (none) but then we’ve moved on ‘lesser’ players who benefited from being part of a great team, so you’d probably not expect them to progress. Now we have better players (multiple golden boot winners, prior PL experience, etc) but they seem to be part of a lesser team. Make it make sense lol.
I’m not sure whether that tells us more about our coaching, recruiting or what.
Having said that, we’re still one of the better sides in the division. You’d think we were in our customary 15th spot based on some of the mewling. [Post edited 23 Feb 17:00]
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It’s 100% recruitment. We’re buying players that aren’t upgrades on what we’ve got which has knock on effects on ‘togetherness’ and ‘morale’. In some instances, we buy players that don’t fit into the system that we play. We’re buying more wingers than is sustainable, we’re not buying strikers. We’re buying players that have had success as ‘second strikers’, our system suits more of an attacking midfielder - sounds silly when you think of how many goals Chaplin scored, but his style compared to a Szmodics/Akpom is very different. Nunez has looked great there but from his first bits of game time, it doesn’t look like he was bought to play there (might be being a bit harsh here but I’m sure his first few games were in our 2 rather than in behind). We haven’t replaced Morsy’s leadership qualities, we haven’t replaced Luongo’s ability to read a game. We have centre backs who can’t pass the ball. | | | |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 23:17 - Feb 23 with 527 views | bournemouthblue |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 22:23 - Feb 23 by peterleeblue |
In the games I have seen live - Middlesbrough A, Hull A , Preston (H) and the TV games I believe we are trying to play a controlled game in the style of established premier league clubs. Its like we learnt this last season. The Championship requires a different skill set with many teams happy to allow us possession but exploit our mistakes of which we make too many. We have good chances in many games and we fail to take them. On Saturday the fact we went to toe to toe and put ourselves into the winning position followed by the inability to switch tactics and manage the game out is a concern.
Maybe to get it absolutely right we need wither a little more patience or maybe a lot in terms of the fact we might yet need another season. |
We are particularly vulernable when our press is broken and you end up with too bigger gap between the midfield and defence, often with a full back caught up the pitch
That then leaves someone like Broadhead floating in that space you really don't want him in and three defenders, O'Shea in particular who is not particularly good at defending against these situations
What's weirder with the Wrexham one is that we clearly manage leads pretty well most of the time but they caught us out several times and punished us ruthlessly |  |
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 23:18 - Feb 23 with 520 views | chantryblueboy |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 23:17 - Feb 23 by bournemouthblue |
We are particularly vulernable when our press is broken and you end up with too bigger gap between the midfield and defence, often with a full back caught up the pitch
That then leaves someone like Broadhead floating in that space you really don't want him in and three defenders, O'Shea in particular who is not particularly good at defending against these situations
What's weirder with the Wrexham one is that we clearly manage leads pretty well most of the time but they caught us out several times and punished us ruthlessly |
Luongo was so good in that gap | | | |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 23:39 - Feb 23 with 488 views | bournemouthblue |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 23:18 - Feb 23 by chantryblueboy |
Luongo was so good in that gap |
Defensively this current side is superior defensively in general but we score a lot less goals to make up for that
The margin for error is smaller, we have continually had three problems under McKenna
We are very poor at defending the counter attack
We get roughed up by teams who like to mix it
We struggle against good target strikers
Wrexham are basically our kryptonite
I'd probably throw in the three at the back equation also, which it feels like we have never quite cracked how to cause problems for side who defend in a five particularly effectively | |
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 00:59 - Feb 24 with 452 views | armchaircritic59 |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 14:09 - Feb 23 by AYACCA |
McKenna is a legend, don't be drawn into short sighted thinking or others opinions. Let's hope we buck the trend and have a manager stay many years and build a team that will compete in the prem. Don't be part of the modern toxic want it all now modern culture, be patient and enjoy the ride. |
A legend, really? I'm not a KM out person ( yet ). But he's got one hell of a way to go to earn that epitaph. True legends of this club are SIr Alf and Sir Bobby and players such as Warky. I'm afraid KM is a light year behind those at the moment. In the future, who knows? But most certainly not now. | | | |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 04:51 - Feb 24 with 433 views | AYACCA |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 00:59 - Feb 24 by armchaircritic59 |
A legend, really? I'm not a KM out person ( yet ). But he's got one hell of a way to go to earn that epitaph. True legends of this club are SIr Alf and Sir Bobby and players such as Warky. I'm afraid KM is a light year behind those at the moment. In the future, who knows? But most certainly not now. |
A modern legend. 2 straight promotions is legendary status enough for me. [Post edited 24 Feb 6:27]
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 08:28 - Feb 24 with 385 views | Cafe_Newman |
"The most over coached team I’ve seen"
A new sporting soundbite is born (if it wasn't already) and it will be applied by many Town fans to the Club's perceived "woes" until we are competing at the level where those fans believe we "belong" or until KMcK leaves the club. |  | | |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 08:35 - Feb 24 with 374 views | itfcjoe |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 15:51 - Feb 23 by longtimefan |
Really? Other than Saturday we haven't failed to win an away game that we've led in. The two occasions it's happened at home were in the first month of the season. |
Since the Derby home game, the last 15 times we've taken the lead in any match we'd got the 3 points - 15 matches in a row until Saturday |  |
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 10:08 - Feb 24 with 282 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 22:23 - Feb 23 by peterleeblue |
In the games I have seen live - Middlesbrough A, Hull A , Preston (H) and the TV games I believe we are trying to play a controlled game in the style of established premier league clubs. Its like we learnt this last season. The Championship requires a different skill set with many teams happy to allow us possession but exploit our mistakes of which we make too many. We have good chances in many games and we fail to take them. On Saturday the fact we went to toe to toe and put ourselves into the winning position followed by the inability to switch tactics and manage the game out is a concern.
Maybe to get it absolutely right we need wither a little more patience or maybe a lot in terms of the fact we might yet need another season. |
Worrying wasn’t it. We should be able to go toe-to-toe. In theory better players should come out on top in those chaotic one-on-one situations. We’re not great at duals though for some reason, sitting comfortably at the bottom of the table. And that’s not just about having more possession so fewer opportunities to tackle, as several teams with higher average possession have better tackling stats. I can’t find a %age of duals won stat though - that’s what we really need to confirm whether we sit off (which it looks like to the eye) rather than commit to challenges. | |
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 10:11 - Feb 24 with 279 views | Smoresy |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 08:35 - Feb 24 by itfcjoe |
Since the Derby home game, the last 15 times we've taken the lead in any match we'd got the 3 points - 15 matches in a row until Saturday |
And Derby remains the only game this season in which we've gone behind after scoring first. The last time we lost after scoring first was in April against Wolves.
Something lost in the weekend collapse, our Wrexham defeat did contain one positive moment. It was the first time we've taken the lead this season after going behind. It's also the first time our PL signings will have experienced that feeling, as the last time we achieved it was against Southampton in April '24, which of course ended with Sarmientooo. The last time we won after conceding first came shortly before that in another blockbuster, against Bristol in March '24.
So the wait to win from behind goes on but we've ended the wait to turn a game around, however briefly lol. | | | |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 10:47 - Feb 24 with 257 views | Vaughan8 |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 08:35 - Feb 24 by itfcjoe |
Since the Derby home game, the last 15 times we've taken the lead in any match we'd got the 3 points - 15 matches in a row until Saturday |
Good fact. How many games have we conceded first and got any points?
EDIT: I tried Google AI but it said we conceded first in oxford Home game (we didn't) and didn't mention the Birmingham game, so I've lost all confidence in that!
EDIT2: My quick analysis thinks its 5 points (all draws):-
Birmingham A
Bristol C A
Watford H
Blackburn A
Preston H
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| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 11:05 - Feb 24 with 214 views | Smoresy |
| Just seen this thread on the Wrexham forum: on 10:47 - Feb 24 by Vaughan8 |
Good fact. How many games have we conceded first and got any points?
EDIT: I tried Google AI but it said we conceded first in oxford Home game (we didn't) and didn't mention the Birmingham game, so I've lost all confidence in that!
EDIT2: My quick analysis thinks its 5 points (all draws):-
Birmingham A
Bristol C A
Watford H
Blackburn A
Preston H
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Spot on with edit 2. If you want to see how we compare on both fronts, scoring and conceding, the below link provides a full summary:
https://www.soccerstats.com/ta | | | |
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