| McKenna and the club 10:37 - Feb 22 with 5230 views | Nutkins_Return |
I can be guilty of letting a bad result ruin a weekend etc but I try to keep some balance and as someone else said in the champ the next game to put it right comes fast.
What I hated yesterday and recently is the reactionary anti McKenna stuff that has crept in as well as some of the normal nonsense player scapegoats etc. I'm not talking about when people can have a balanced criticism of the manager or the team. It's the "he's got to go", "two years of failure", "mcKenna out - he lucked out and it was all Cook's work that got the promotions" - a favourite
I don't want us just to be another club jumping from Manager to Manager. McKenna is a class manager and also a class human being who has helped transform this club. He has invested himself into the club completely, he's brought a fantastic culture and mentality to the football club. As a football club I honestly think we have moved forward every season (infrastructure, youths, squad etc) albeit being in a different league brings a massive challenge for him to keep things cohesive.
This guy has done so much for us and brought so much happiness to the club (my kids couldn't have enjoyed those promotions more! And they got to see us have fantastic memories after years of bland nothing really). He works harder then anyone and that is hard work he's doing for us. The table adjusted for games we are realistically 3rd. With almost a new team. It's hardly outright disaster. We can still make autos. If not playoffs and if ultimately we don't go up whilst disappointing we have a first opportunity to build on a more settled team (Like Cov, Like Boro and like Sunderland did). We have a team to enjoy going into games as favourites regularly. Whilst not always clicking it's a team that play football the right way.
Let's try and manage our frustrations a bit better. Let's find a bit more respect in our club and it's people and each other. Let's get behind this team again and let's pick them up and then let them pick us up. It's a fantastic football club. Our fans did help pick it up and let's do it again FFS! |  |
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| McKenna and the club on 18:10 - Feb 22 with 910 views | EddyJ |
Some of the recruitment hit/miss lists here are missing some big points:
Recruitment is about building a balanced team/squad, not buying good individuals. Most on here would say Philogene and Clarke are our two most effective attacking threats. But they play in the same position and we have never successfully got them both into the same XI. Whilst on the right both McAteer and Egeli have failed. Good recruitment would have a good first choice winger on both flanks.
The failure to sign a striker in January (and arguably in the summer) is looking costly. Recruitment is as much about what you don't do as what you do do. The failure to sign strikers is a common theme during the Ashton/McKenna tenure.
We have signed players that don't seem to fit in with the rigid way McKenna wants to play. I can't see where we thought Szmodics fitted into our system. Likewise, for a team who likes to play out from the back, why do we have two goalkeepers who are bad with their feet? O'Shea is not exactly John Stones either, as evidenced by the game yesterday.
People also justifying our recruitment by talking about the residual value of our squad. The problem with that is it assumes that other clubs are willing to pay at least the same amount we paid for those players. Since we signed them, both Philogene and Clarke have failed in the Premier League. Nobody is going to pay £15m+ for good Championship players. The only way we see a profit on them is if we get promoted and they make some impact. Likewise, Greaves has gone from a potential Premier League player to a Championship reserve. He is no longer worth £10m+. Egeli and McAteer are worth a fraction of what we paid unless they start performing. [Post edited 22 Feb 18:10]
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| McKenna and the club on 18:13 - Feb 22 with 905 views | farkenhell |
| McKenna and the club on 18:01 - Feb 22 by mrshallisfit |
Are you really enjoying this current team though. There are a few players that can produce moments individual brilliance but I dont really see a team. Thats after 5 months and alot of money spent. |
I would say that generally we are looking more and more like a team rather than a group of talented individuals. Compared to 3 or 4 months ago. Derby away, for example, we saw plenty of slick passing moves, although we could have been more clinical. Yesterday we scored 3 goals and in patches we looked good going forwards with some decent link up play. We were undone by too many defensive howlers.
Would you feel the same way had we won 3-2 yesterday? Or even 3-3? | | | |
| McKenna and the club on 18:22 - Feb 22 with 856 views | Nutkins_Return |
| McKenna and the club on 18:01 - Feb 22 by mrshallisfit |
Are you really enjoying this current team though. There are a few players that can produce moments individual brilliance but I dont really see a team. Thats after 5 months and alot of money spent. |
Improving. Not as fast as I would like but they are much better than start of the season and seen some really good performances like Cov away. Even Derby I thought we were good (just a game before last).
It can take time (we should know that well and better than most I'm recent history!) | |
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| McKenna and the club on 18:22 - Feb 22 with 857 views | Churchman |
| McKenna and the club on 15:55 - Feb 22 by ITFCSG |
Grown the club in what way, as an event mega venue?
If Ashton wants to run one he should go apply for the job at the O2 Arena, not ITFC.
There's no point bringing in concerts and boxing matches when you can't even improve on recruitment and scouting i.e. the bread and butter of a football club [Post edited 22 Feb 15:55]
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Five years ago there was no recruitment bar what the manager brought in through personal contacts. There was no scouting, lightbulbs, receptionist or cleaner. But hey, we had a tree growing out of the roof! Norwich will never claim that! Ahhh, how you and your like minded chums must yearn for the past.
Of all the things this club is trying to build, I cannot think there is anything harder than building a recruitment team and scouting network home and abroad from scratch. Training facilities: easy. Cleaning the stadium after years? Easy. 100 plus projects in 3 months to allow us to play in the PL? Easy compared to recruiting players. Cat 1? Clearly easier than when Evans tried to do it on nothing. Community engagement? Hard work but easy in knowing what needs to be done.
Event revenue, commercial money goes where? Ashtons pocket? Into orbit? You tell me. I always thought that the more money you could bring in from any source was a good thing.
But maybe you side with the knowledge bump that believes we don’t need training facilities a half decent ground, community stuff, Cat 1 or anything else beyond the brilliant football our saviour Marcus and Mick dished up for years.
The bread and butter of a football club is actually its infrastructure- all the stuff you clearly dismiss. Build foundations and managers and players will come and go, but the club will progress.
Personally, as somebody who witnessed this club nearly die under dementor Evans, I tend to take a broad view. Hell, it saves on laundry bills if nothing else.
But hey opinions, like ars@holes, we all have one, so you be you. [Post edited 22 Feb 19:00]
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| McKenna and the club on 18:32 - Feb 22 with 820 views | mrshallisfit |
| McKenna and the club on 12:31 - Feb 22 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You can't exclude Hutchinson. He was a player with a reputation at Reserve land Youth International level before our recruitment team identified him and our Coaching staff worked with him. Which makes it a 50% hit rate. |
50% but including OShea. | | | |
| McKenna and the club on 08:07 - Feb 23 with 693 views | PioneerBlue |
Great OP. Its not like football fans to over simplify the complexity there is in building and maintaining a football club on a constant up curve.
Cash helps, accelerates acquisition of players, allows you to cover mistakes in recruitment BUT because GC20 MA et al made L1 > Champ > PL look easy it doesnt mean it was.
The right leadership, processes (recruitment, coaching), people, culture and chemistry came together to achieve a great thing. That was stress tested nearly to destruction under the spotlight of the PL.
It is hardly surprising after several years of unparalleled upward trajectory the club takes a breather. Its a challenge in football and most business when the environment changes, perhaps you lose key personnel meanwhile your customers and the wider world continues to expect they same experience as before. Weve made and weve seen others make knee jerk decisions and they are either costly or dont really lead to any greater success, look at Nottingham Forest or Spurs right now, let alone Sheff Wed.
Keep calm and give the club the support they need through to May. All these problems are best left to the summer, weve got an automatic promotion to challenge for or playoffs to compete for as a backdoor back to the PL.
Focus on whats infront of us not behind us or too far on the horizon, thats my mantra! | |
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| McKenna and the club on 09:19 - Feb 23 with 642 views | itfcsuth |
| McKenna and the club on 18:22 - Feb 22 by Nutkins_Return |
Improving. Not as fast as I would like but they are much better than start of the season and seen some really good performances like Cov away. Even Derby I thought we were good (just a game before last).
It can take time (we should know that well and better than most I'm recent history!) |
Are we improving though, or consistently inconsistent.
I’m not sure Sheffield Utd away was any improvement on Birmingham away on the opening night. Have we seen a better home performance than Sheffield Utd at home back in September.
I’m not sure we’ve made or seen steps forward this year, it’s been a real season on consistent up and down performances, from start to now - hence we are in a decent position, but would want to be in a far better one. |  | | |
| McKenna and the club on 09:58 - Feb 23 with 599 views | blueoutlook |
| McKenna and the club on 15:48 - Feb 22 by lazyblue |
Sorry but that’s the most rubbish I have heard in this board , Ashton has grown this club. |
He may have made things a lot better,I give him that,but, he has too much sway nowadays. No one to reign him in. He shouldn’t be Chairman and CEO at the same time. That was a big mistake from Gamechanger and I hope they correct that in the very near future. Let him stay Chairman I have no problem with that,but get a new face in as CEO at least. |  | | |
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| McKenna and the club on 10:52 - Feb 23 with 563 views | bringbacktheglory |
| McKenna and the club on 18:10 - Feb 22 by EddyJ |
Some of the recruitment hit/miss lists here are missing some big points:
Recruitment is about building a balanced team/squad, not buying good individuals. Most on here would say Philogene and Clarke are our two most effective attacking threats. But they play in the same position and we have never successfully got them both into the same XI. Whilst on the right both McAteer and Egeli have failed. Good recruitment would have a good first choice winger on both flanks.
The failure to sign a striker in January (and arguably in the summer) is looking costly. Recruitment is as much about what you don't do as what you do do. The failure to sign strikers is a common theme during the Ashton/McKenna tenure.
We have signed players that don't seem to fit in with the rigid way McKenna wants to play. I can't see where we thought Szmodics fitted into our system. Likewise, for a team who likes to play out from the back, why do we have two goalkeepers who are bad with their feet? O'Shea is not exactly John Stones either, as evidenced by the game yesterday.
People also justifying our recruitment by talking about the residual value of our squad. The problem with that is it assumes that other clubs are willing to pay at least the same amount we paid for those players. Since we signed them, both Philogene and Clarke have failed in the Premier League. Nobody is going to pay £15m+ for good Championship players. The only way we see a profit on them is if we get promoted and they make some impact. Likewise, Greaves has gone from a potential Premier League player to a Championship reserve. He is no longer worth £10m+. Egeli and McAteer are worth a fraction of what we paid unless they start performing. [Post edited 22 Feb 18:10]
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I totally agree with the arguments about building a balanced squad and signing players that do not fit our system. Although, Szmodics did fit our PL system (without hindsight), on the assumption we were not going to have much of the ball and hitting teams on the break. We have failed to do that, despite signing clearly talented players. It’s hard to judge Philogene, Clarke, Egeli etc on their worth until they eventually do leave. Only at the point will we know whether they were worth the investment. It’s therefore an argument that cannot be used to bash or justify our policy, because it’s all hypothetical at this moment.
Is the failure to sign strikers really a common theme?
We signed Hirst, albeit later than we wanted to, who got us up alongside Ladapo (who was a proven goal scorer at that level when the goal was promotion). We then went into the season with Hirst who most deemed vital to our squad and how we played, which proved to be the case until his injury. Ladapo as second choice probably wasn’t ideal but we had goals coming from all over the pitch that season. We then signed Moore who did the job needed. After that, we signed Delap to battle it out with Hirst (who did a good job in the Prem).
Sure, we have signed some interesting ones (Al Hamadi, Ahadme) that have not worked out and they were relatively cheap punts. It’s hard to have 2 or 3 top quality strikers in a squad, there’s always going to be a drop off after first choice with the exception of top clubs. We haven’t landed some we hoped to but until this season, McKenna has signed strikers needed for the job in hand. It says more about how hard it is landing the right striker for any club, rather than ours, in my opinion. | | | |
| McKenna and the club on 11:24 - Feb 23 with 546 views | EddyJ |
| McKenna and the club on 10:52 - Feb 23 by bringbacktheglory |
I totally agree with the arguments about building a balanced squad and signing players that do not fit our system. Although, Szmodics did fit our PL system (without hindsight), on the assumption we were not going to have much of the ball and hitting teams on the break. We have failed to do that, despite signing clearly talented players. It’s hard to judge Philogene, Clarke, Egeli etc on their worth until they eventually do leave. Only at the point will we know whether they were worth the investment. It’s therefore an argument that cannot be used to bash or justify our policy, because it’s all hypothetical at this moment.
Is the failure to sign strikers really a common theme?
We signed Hirst, albeit later than we wanted to, who got us up alongside Ladapo (who was a proven goal scorer at that level when the goal was promotion). We then went into the season with Hirst who most deemed vital to our squad and how we played, which proved to be the case until his injury. Ladapo as second choice probably wasn’t ideal but we had goals coming from all over the pitch that season. We then signed Moore who did the job needed. After that, we signed Delap to battle it out with Hirst (who did a good job in the Prem).
Sure, we have signed some interesting ones (Al Hamadi, Ahadme) that have not worked out and they were relatively cheap punts. It’s hard to have 2 or 3 top quality strikers in a squad, there’s always going to be a drop off after first choice with the exception of top clubs. We haven’t landed some we hoped to but until this season, McKenna has signed strikers needed for the job in hand. It says more about how hard it is landing the right striker for any club, rather than ours, in my opinion. |
For McKenna's preferred formation, we probably need three strikers in the squad. Perhaps two solid first teamers and a development project.
In 2022, we went into the season with Ladapo and Ahadme. One first teamer and one punt that was barely even a development project. We did chase Hirst, but failed to sign him. We improved significantly after Jan, when we did sign Hirst.
In 2023, we went into the season with Lapado and Hirst. One first teamer and one player clearly playing above his level. We did sign Moore in Jan, which helped a lot. We also signed Al Hamadi as a development project.
In 2024, we went into the season with Hirst and Delap. One first teamer (who was injured a lot) and one development project (who admittedly came very good). We chased the Greek and Broja all summer and signed neither. We signed no strikers in Jan.
In 2025, we went into the season with Hirst and Azon. We had previously pulled out of the Azon deal. We signed no strikers in Jan, despite it being clearly needed.
So, in the past 3.5 seasons, we have had the desired number of functional strikers in the squad for 0.5 seasons (second half of the Champ promotion season).
We did get promoted in two of those seasons, so we were able to work around it. But we got lucky with form and injuries. Had Hirst been on his current run of form for either promotion, I don't think it would have happened. | | | |
| a.. haha.. hahAHAHAHAHAHAHA on 11:27 - Feb 23 with 539 views | Dyland |
| McKenna and the club on 10:57 - Feb 22 by boysof1981 |
Ashton is so far up his own backside he can’t the issues the club has. He has too much power and needs reigning in by the owners or at least someone above him to oversee matters. Personally like to see him gone, the crap when we were getting back to back promotions, the fist pumping the crowd, the Brent-esque interviews were cringy.
Think he and McKenna will be relieved of their duties after this season, hopefully. |
"the crap when we were getting back to back promotions"
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| Agreed to an extent on 11:36 - Feb 23 with 528 views | Dyland |
The problem isn't even criticism, whether it's balanced or undue or not.
I remember a long conversation with an old lad on the Lowestoft train when we appointed McCarthy, and he wasn't having it at all. "Not for me" was the gist, and this before a ball had even been kicked. He was really intractable. Not my philosophy at all, but the point is he was on a train chatting with another supporter. Was he jabbing his finger at McCarthy or Chambers and telling them to fook off, spittle foaming around his gob like a rabid animal? No.
It's not criticism per se that's the issue here. It's the bile, the anger and antisocial behaviour of grown fooking adults at the games. It's a sad indictment of football, money and society. I'm very nearly done with it and the only reason I still go is the crowd around me have generally been the same for two decades and whilst many get het up and some seem to know even less than I do about the game, they don't directly abuse our team or manager. | |
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| Agreed to an extent on 17:35 - Feb 23 with 454 views | Funge |
| Agreed to an extent on 11:36 - Feb 23 by Dyland |
The problem isn't even criticism, whether it's balanced or undue or not.
I remember a long conversation with an old lad on the Lowestoft train when we appointed McCarthy, and he wasn't having it at all. "Not for me" was the gist, and this before a ball had even been kicked. He was really intractable. Not my philosophy at all, but the point is he was on a train chatting with another supporter. Was he jabbing his finger at McCarthy or Chambers and telling them to fook off, spittle foaming around his gob like a rabid animal? No.
It's not criticism per se that's the issue here. It's the bile, the anger and antisocial behaviour of grown fooking adults at the games. It's a sad indictment of football, money and society. I'm very nearly done with it and the only reason I still go is the crowd around me have generally been the same for two decades and whilst many get het up and some seem to know even less than I do about the game, they don't directly abuse our team or manager. |
I don't get the same thrill watching as I did 25 years ago, with obvious outliers like Sarmiento 90 +7, and any goal against those pricks from up the 140. Middle age ennui innit.
For all my whinging about modern football and Mark fcking Ashton's narcissim, it's almost certainly never going to be as good, again, as it was for that afternoon after Huddersfield, which is sad.
The crowd around me in NSL are decent, never really get on the teams back, and are all fairly well humoured. I'm pretty pleased to see them all, every other week, and that's a small part of the reason I go.
Getting angry at players is a bit weird - AAH was nowhere near good enough, neither was Jonathan Douglas (to pick on two) but I've never really come close to losing my rag with them.
Thinking about it, the closest I've been to really disliking a player was Bullard, who was (and is) an absolutely appalling human being; even that has only really developed since he left us - but that's a conversation for a pint, perhaps, or maybe never.
Dunno what my point is. Bring back the old NS, bring back John Wark, bring back The Golden Lion - sounds good, doesn't it? |  | | |
| Agreed to an extent on 17:57 - Feb 23 with 432 views | Steve_M |
| Agreed to an extent on 17:35 - Feb 23 by Funge |
I don't get the same thrill watching as I did 25 years ago, with obvious outliers like Sarmiento 90 +7, and any goal against those pricks from up the 140. Middle age ennui innit.
For all my whinging about modern football and Mark fcking Ashton's narcissim, it's almost certainly never going to be as good, again, as it was for that afternoon after Huddersfield, which is sad.
The crowd around me in NSL are decent, never really get on the teams back, and are all fairly well humoured. I'm pretty pleased to see them all, every other week, and that's a small part of the reason I go.
Getting angry at players is a bit weird - AAH was nowhere near good enough, neither was Jonathan Douglas (to pick on two) but I've never really come close to losing my rag with them.
Thinking about it, the closest I've been to really disliking a player was Bullard, who was (and is) an absolutely appalling human being; even that has only really developed since he left us - but that's a conversation for a pint, perhaps, or maybe never.
Dunno what my point is. Bring back the old NS, bring back John Wark, bring back The Golden Lion - sounds good, doesn't it? |
Broadly agree with you and Dyllers here - which isn't a great surprise - it's not the same watching as we get older, more cynical and disillusioned with the money that dominates the game but the friendships and those absolute highs still keep most of us coming back.
I doubt anything will ever get close to Huddersfield again either but, only three or four years before that I was wondering if we would even get back to the Championship anytime soon (see the last Blog I wrote on here) but instead we got Peterborough, Barnsley and Exeter within a week, Southampton, Coventry and that Huddersfield game. Even since that, Spurs away will remain a great deal, beating Chelsea was good and the long-overdue restoration of the natural order of things in East Anglia. fun.
Can I add Lee Martin to Bullard on your list though, what c.... |  |
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| Agreed to an extent on 18:06 - Feb 23 with 418 views | Funge |
| Agreed to an extent on 17:57 - Feb 23 by Steve_M |
Broadly agree with you and Dyllers here - which isn't a great surprise - it's not the same watching as we get older, more cynical and disillusioned with the money that dominates the game but the friendships and those absolute highs still keep most of us coming back.
I doubt anything will ever get close to Huddersfield again either but, only three or four years before that I was wondering if we would even get back to the Championship anytime soon (see the last Blog I wrote on here) but instead we got Peterborough, Barnsley and Exeter within a week, Southampton, Coventry and that Huddersfield game. Even since that, Spurs away will remain a great deal, beating Chelsea was good and the long-overdue restoration of the natural order of things in East Anglia. fun.
Can I add Lee Martin to Bullard on your list though, what c.... |
Martin! What a midfield that was - Martin, Bullard & Bowyer (and, er, Keith Andrews, who seems like a fairly reasonable chap)....
I suppose that those nights in Helsingborg, Milan and Liberec were, for me, the best times I've had watching ITFC - Milan was Milan, Helsingborg just euphoric, and Liberec remains, to this day, the hardest drinking session of my life. Plus I got to see Marcus Stewart - best striker I've ever seen play for Towun...
Fcking hell we've had some fun. | | | |
| Innit Fungers, you old bastard on 19:11 - Feb 23 with 370 views | Dyland |
| Agreed to an extent on 17:35 - Feb 23 by Funge |
I don't get the same thrill watching as I did 25 years ago, with obvious outliers like Sarmiento 90 +7, and any goal against those pricks from up the 140. Middle age ennui innit.
For all my whinging about modern football and Mark fcking Ashton's narcissim, it's almost certainly never going to be as good, again, as it was for that afternoon after Huddersfield, which is sad.
The crowd around me in NSL are decent, never really get on the teams back, and are all fairly well humoured. I'm pretty pleased to see them all, every other week, and that's a small part of the reason I go.
Getting angry at players is a bit weird - AAH was nowhere near good enough, neither was Jonathan Douglas (to pick on two) but I've never really come close to losing my rag with them.
Thinking about it, the closest I've been to really disliking a player was Bullard, who was (and is) an absolutely appalling human being; even that has only really developed since he left us - but that's a conversation for a pint, perhaps, or maybe never.
Dunno what my point is. Bring back the old NS, bring back John Wark, bring back The Golden Lion - sounds good, doesn't it? |
Dougie kicked the ball into his own face at the Imps ffs. Couldn't believe Mick lasted beyond that game, and the next fiasco at Loftus Rd when he lost us three points due to the negative tactics.
Bullard! Lol the love-in. Oh for the days of Jewell.... er... And that's another point ffs. Don't let's go there.
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| McKenna and the club on 21:25 - Feb 23 with 293 views | chantryblueboy |
| McKenna and the club on 18:22 - Feb 22 by Churchman |
Five years ago there was no recruitment bar what the manager brought in through personal contacts. There was no scouting, lightbulbs, receptionist or cleaner. But hey, we had a tree growing out of the roof! Norwich will never claim that! Ahhh, how you and your like minded chums must yearn for the past.
Of all the things this club is trying to build, I cannot think there is anything harder than building a recruitment team and scouting network home and abroad from scratch. Training facilities: easy. Cleaning the stadium after years? Easy. 100 plus projects in 3 months to allow us to play in the PL? Easy compared to recruiting players. Cat 1? Clearly easier than when Evans tried to do it on nothing. Community engagement? Hard work but easy in knowing what needs to be done.
Event revenue, commercial money goes where? Ashtons pocket? Into orbit? You tell me. I always thought that the more money you could bring in from any source was a good thing.
But maybe you side with the knowledge bump that believes we don’t need training facilities a half decent ground, community stuff, Cat 1 or anything else beyond the brilliant football our saviour Marcus and Mick dished up for years.
The bread and butter of a football club is actually its infrastructure- all the stuff you clearly dismiss. Build foundations and managers and players will come and go, but the club will progress.
Personally, as somebody who witnessed this club nearly die under dementor Evans, I tend to take a broad view. Hell, it saves on laundry bills if nothing else.
But hey opinions, like ars@holes, we all have one, so you be you. [Post edited 22 Feb 19:00]
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Building a recruitment network might be hard - realising some of the sht we have signed are sht is not | | | |
| McKenna and the club on 21:30 - Feb 23 with 278 views | reusersfreekicks |
| McKenna and the club on 21:25 - Feb 23 by chantryblueboy |
Building a recruitment network might be hard - realising some of the sht we have signed are sht is not |
Way to talk about people who play football for Ipswich
Credit to the support base |  | | |
| McKenna and the club on 21:34 - Feb 23 with 267 views | chantryblueboy |
| McKenna and the club on 21:30 - Feb 23 by reusersfreekicks |
Way to talk about people who play football for Ipswich
Credit to the support base |
Thanks mate means a lot, presumably my fault every time they prove me right as well | | | |
| McKenna and the club on 22:14 - Feb 23 with 231 views | peterleeblue |
Brilliant Post.
The progress / elevation of both Rosenior and Carrick this season might suggest that Kieran maybe thinking he has done his hard yards at Town and would be worthy of the step up to a more established Premier league club.
For my money he stays whatever this season and continues to build this squad to what we all want it to be. However, based on all the arguments on this forum I see it more likely he will indeed move on. That will be sadder than the exit of any player in recent times. Historically our manager selection after the departure of a successful one has never been great and has generally signalled a decline in our fortunes. That would concern me more than anything else right now.
One thing I am certain of "Super" Kieran Mckenna does not deserve dogs abuse. I really hope we win tomorrow. |  | | |
| McKenna and the club on 22:36 - Feb 23 with 199 views | darkhorse28 |
He’s transformed us back to a Championship, with more quality, but less desire the under Evans, for the sum of £200 million plus a salary to make any club in Europe blush.
It IS two years of failure. It’s been awful relative to resources, and poor by any standards, and went south when he agreed terms with Brighton.
Of course he shouldn’t be sacked, that would’ve crazy after four years, at this stage of a season, with everything to play for.
But your revisionism and frankly fear of change and risk are sad.
Watford. They change managers every three seconds - also spent six years out of nine in the premier league during that period.., more success than we’ve had in about four decades!!!
There isn’t a one size or a silver bullet.
We aren’t elite. We might have already missed a generations opportunity, the legacy of these failures and resources spent could be felt for decades!!!
Your fear.., your apologist nature ‘he’s a good guy’ .., I’ve met him, just once to talk to, he really is, a really genuinely nice guy.
How in gods earth does that make him elite!?!! Wae Fergie nice? Clough? Even Bobby had ten times the traits required than KM.
It’s not his job to be nice.., his job is to have success .., and it has been a woeful two squads he’s failed with, and 70 odd games.
At what point is it enough money, time, and games to judge??
Four years. It’s a long time to be one division higher with more money than god spent and liabilities to make a state nation blush!!
You do know there are consequences to not being able to offer scrutiny because you feel bad??
Decade long consequences.
He leaves if we don’t go up. 100% not even a footballing decision, he’s paid more than our entire TV revenue and we can’t meet PSR with our league one P&L falling out.
So if that happens. He leaves having left us with eye watering liabilities, a poor squad that’s not motivated, and NO REVENUE
And all you have is ‘but he was a nice guy’
Seriously. We all love the club.., your apathy and lack of scrutiny for two years makes me think you’re ignorant or just don’t care.
You are right now isn’t the time.
But the time was when he spoke to Brighton.
And you backed giving a manger £200 million, a higher basic salary than the Barcelona manager, who didn’t have a single seconds management experience at an elite level!!!
I’d protect my ego and keep digging my hole too if I was you.
That’s not support.
I’d take 3 managers in a season if it equated to success.
How many makers have Southampton had in 2 years? There’s teams teams light years ahead of us in every metric swapped multiple times, but with skill.
McKenna hasn’t improved - he’s regressed the moment he had to put the big boy pants on in the big pond.
He folded..; what is he relative to resources this season? 12th best manager in this division.., a division where not a single manager will likely be good enough for the level above.
That’s damning.
Not elite is it. Not worth our entire annual TV budget out of our PSR is it. Not world class. And NOT good enough. 75 games league and cup is enough to judge!
Now it’s the time.., but you might need to ‘adult’
In th summer when whatever the league, Ashton and McKenna need to GO | | | |
| McKenna and the club on 22:38 - Feb 23 with 194 views | jasondozzell |
| McKenna and the club on 22:36 - Feb 23 by darkhorse28 |
He’s transformed us back to a Championship, with more quality, but less desire the under Evans, for the sum of £200 million plus a salary to make any club in Europe blush.
It IS two years of failure. It’s been awful relative to resources, and poor by any standards, and went south when he agreed terms with Brighton.
Of course he shouldn’t be sacked, that would’ve crazy after four years, at this stage of a season, with everything to play for.
But your revisionism and frankly fear of change and risk are sad.
Watford. They change managers every three seconds - also spent six years out of nine in the premier league during that period.., more success than we’ve had in about four decades!!!
There isn’t a one size or a silver bullet.
We aren’t elite. We might have already missed a generations opportunity, the legacy of these failures and resources spent could be felt for decades!!!
Your fear.., your apologist nature ‘he’s a good guy’ .., I’ve met him, just once to talk to, he really is, a really genuinely nice guy.
How in gods earth does that make him elite!?!! Wae Fergie nice? Clough? Even Bobby had ten times the traits required than KM.
It’s not his job to be nice.., his job is to have success .., and it has been a woeful two squads he’s failed with, and 70 odd games.
At what point is it enough money, time, and games to judge??
Four years. It’s a long time to be one division higher with more money than god spent and liabilities to make a state nation blush!!
You do know there are consequences to not being able to offer scrutiny because you feel bad??
Decade long consequences.
He leaves if we don’t go up. 100% not even a footballing decision, he’s paid more than our entire TV revenue and we can’t meet PSR with our league one P&L falling out.
So if that happens. He leaves having left us with eye watering liabilities, a poor squad that’s not motivated, and NO REVENUE
And all you have is ‘but he was a nice guy’
Seriously. We all love the club.., your apathy and lack of scrutiny for two years makes me think you’re ignorant or just don’t care.
You are right now isn’t the time.
But the time was when he spoke to Brighton.
And you backed giving a manger £200 million, a higher basic salary than the Barcelona manager, who didn’t have a single seconds management experience at an elite level!!!
I’d protect my ego and keep digging my hole too if I was you.
That’s not support.
I’d take 3 managers in a season if it equated to success.
How many makers have Southampton had in 2 years? There’s teams teams light years ahead of us in every metric swapped multiple times, but with skill.
McKenna hasn’t improved - he’s regressed the moment he had to put the big boy pants on in the big pond.
He folded..; what is he relative to resources this season? 12th best manager in this division.., a division where not a single manager will likely be good enough for the level above.
That’s damning.
Not elite is it. Not worth our entire annual TV budget out of our PSR is it. Not world class. And NOT good enough. 75 games league and cup is enough to judge!
Now it’s the time.., but you might need to ‘adult’
In th summer when whatever the league, Ashton and McKenna need to GO |
We're likely to be promoted this season.
That would be three promotions in four years. |  | | |
| McKenna and the club on 22:47 - Feb 23 with 172 views | peterleeblue |
| McKenna and the club on 22:38 - Feb 23 by jasondozzell |
We're likely to be promoted this season.
That would be three promotions in four years. |
......................................and the problem is if we don't there is not a direct parallel between Spend and Success. Arteta for example has spent 3-4 years building the current side. Man City haven't won the league every season. Yes we have the biggest budget. It guarantees nothing. | | | |
| McKenna and the club on 23:22 - Feb 23 with 103 views | Bigalhunter |
| McKenna and the club on 22:38 - Feb 23 by jasondozzell |
We're likely to be promoted this season.
That would be three promotions in four years. |
I’m generally intrigued to know why you keep pushing this narrative that ‘we’re likely to be promoted this season’?
I’d argue strongly that we ‘might be promoted’ but, based on what I’ve seen, I just can’t make that leap to likely.
I’d love to know what it is you’re seeing that I’m not? |  |
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| McKenna and the club on 23:23 - Feb 23 with 95 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna and the club on 22:38 - Feb 23 by jasondozzell |
We're likely to be promoted this season.
That would be three promotions in four years. |
JD where are you getting likely from?
We are all extremely hopeful. But no its not likely. |  |
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