| So tonight’s game must be a ‘must win’? 08:56 - Feb 23 with 1794 views | Benters |
If not why not ?
I get there are plenty more games to go to achieve the top 2,but there has to come a time when even the legends on here agree that it is a must win game? [Post edited 24 Feb 11:57]
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 09:08 - Feb 23 with 1498 views | bsw72 |
Technically no as I think the term is used too loosely these days - if we don't win we are not out of the promotion race which is the key aspect of must-win.
However from a fan perception and general team moral aspect I do think could be critical 3 points. |  | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 09:11 - Feb 23 with 1480 views | Metal_Hacker |
I don't think it' a must win from a points perspective but if the players want to compensate for their "performance" at the weekend there'd be no better time than at a tricky away game
There'll be plenty more twists and turns but we do seriously need to put a run together of consistent performances |  |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 09:23 - Feb 23 with 1442 views | _CliveBaker_ |
I guess in a literal sense 'must' means its a necessity. Technically its probably not necessary to win tomorrow to achieve our objective of going up. Of course we will likely need to win plenty more games (10 from 15 you would think), and hopefully that includes tomorrow to maintain, or arguably perhaps improve the margin of error, but strictly speaking its not a 'must' is it? People were saying Saturday was a must yet we lost ground on Boro by 1 point and mathematically kept it in our hands.
Either way its a bit of a moot point and semantics. Ideally we'll put a run of consecutive W's together and ahead of 3 home games a win tomorrow would be a very nice reaction to Saturday. [Post edited 23 Feb 9:24]
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 09:33 - Feb 23 with 1366 views | JammyDodgerrr |
There are no must win games. Top teams do not think like that. Each game is a standalone result, you block out the noise, or the praise, and you take each game as an individual game. We should all know by now that this is the process, and has been one of the foundational keys to McKenna's success here. |  |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 10:13 - Feb 23 with 1261 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 09:33 - Feb 23 by JammyDodgerrr |
There are no must win games. Top teams do not think like that. Each game is a standalone result, you block out the noise, or the praise, and you take each game as an individual game. We should all know by now that this is the process, and has been one of the foundational keys to McKenna's success here. |
That’s certainly what they’ll be doing.
Part of me wishes they wouldn’t. A bit of anger and frustration may give them a kick up the arse and inject a bit of tempo. That tendency to be laid back to the point of horizontal, try to take the sting out and control everything isn’t always helpful imo. Especially when a high energy, chaotic team like Wrexham ignores our attempts to do so!
We should be able to go toe-to-toe a bit more given the supposed quality we have, yet we struggle with our duals still (still the lowest tackles stat in the league). |  |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 10:50 - Feb 23 with 1194 views | baxterbasics |
We must win "X" number of games to be promoted. It doesn't really matter which ones.
I do not know what X will turn out to be. Obviously depends on other teams, and on how many of our non-wins are draws.
But tomorrow is probably not a must-win. |  |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 10:53 - Feb 23 with 1184 views | pointofblue |
Ten points from the next four might be required to keep pace though we don't know how other teams will do. A draw could be ok if we win the next three home games. |  |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:40 - Feb 23 with 1127 views | FrimleyBlue |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 09:33 - Feb 23 by JammyDodgerrr |
There are no must win games. Top teams do not think like that. Each game is a standalone result, you block out the noise, or the praise, and you take each game as an individual game. We should all know by now that this is the process, and has been one of the foundational keys to McKenna's success here. |
Each game should be a stand alone result but it doesnt feel like that with this squad as theres always next week.
Davis mentioned KM walking in and talking about the positives of 3 goals. Imo fk that thats where I wanna hear the manager came in he wasnt happy and told us in no uncertain terms. Not that two players felt opponents wanted it more and the manager praised the 3 goals. |  |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:43 - Feb 23 with 1115 views | muccletonjoe |
I agree it would be a handy 3 points. I am calling a halt to it there though. |  | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:45 - Feb 23 with 1110 views | OldFart71 |
I think the question is more "When does winning start overtaking getting a point away" and I don't see that as being that far away. | | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:45 - Feb 23 with 1108 views | Benters |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:43 - Feb 23 by muccletonjoe |
I agree it would be a handy 3 points. I am calling a halt to it there though. |
Ha! So after tomorrow night they are all must wins ? | |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:49 - Feb 23 with 1094 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:40 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Each game should be a stand alone result but it doesnt feel like that with this squad as theres always next week.
Davis mentioned KM walking in and talking about the positives of 3 goals. Imo fk that thats where I wanna hear the manager came in he wasnt happy and told us in no uncertain terms. Not that two players felt opponents wanted it more and the manager praised the 3 goals. |
It would be pretty naïve to think those honest conversations don't go on behind closed doors. There's no way the squad are in the dressing room high fiving each other for scoring 3 goals when we've been beaten 5-3, it doesn't happen. What KM and the players say and do publicly vs. privately are 2 very different things. | | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:59 - Feb 23 with 1068 views | FrimleyBlue |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:49 - Feb 23 by _CliveBaker_ |
It would be pretty naïve to think those honest conversations don't go on behind closed doors. There's no way the squad are in the dressing room high fiving each other for scoring 3 goals when we've been beaten 5-3, it doesn't happen. What KM and the players say and do publicly vs. privately are 2 very different things. |
No one said anyone was high fiving anyone. But when your manager recently rewarded a players poor form by making him captain. Absolutely its ok to doubt how much disappointed would he have actually shown on Saturday.
If there was such a level of disappointment following a loss shown and shown as not acceptable. There wouldn't be players going through the motions in games and opponents wouldn't be wanting it more. | |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:06 - Feb 23 with 1048 views | jas0999 |
We need to improve the away form … quickly. I’d say it’s absolutely a must win. | | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:08 - Feb 23 with 1038 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 10:50 - Feb 23 by baxterbasics |
We must win "X" number of games to be promoted. It doesn't really matter which ones.
I do not know what X will turn out to be. Obviously depends on other teams, and on how many of our non-wins are draws.
But tomorrow is probably not a must-win. |
True, but realistically we'll need 85+ points to finish top 2 which is 9 or 10 wins from 15 matches. As we're unlikely to win 10 on the spin, surely matches become must-win pretty soon. | | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:09 - Feb 23 with 1039 views | BlueOura |
Yes, after Saturday's debacle and if we want to maintain any hope of finishing in the top two, i would suggest it is. |  | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:19 - Feb 23 with 1008 views | Garv |
It's not a must win because the result doesn't decide our season.
It's a bit like saying Birmingham on the first day was a must win. |  |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:19 - Feb 23 with 1006 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 11:59 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
No one said anyone was high fiving anyone. But when your manager recently rewarded a players poor form by making him captain. Absolutely its ok to doubt how much disappointed would he have actually shown on Saturday.
If there was such a level of disappointment following a loss shown and shown as not acceptable. There wouldn't be players going through the motions in games and opponents wouldn't be wanting it more. |
Hirst being made captain wasn't a reward for his form though was it? | | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:25 - Feb 23 with 998 views | FrimleyBlue |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:19 - Feb 23 by _CliveBaker_ |
Hirst being made captain wasn't a reward for his form though was it? |
If you need to be specific then no he wasnt rewarded FOR his form. But he was rewarded the captaincy DESPITE the form. | |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:30 - Feb 23 with 986 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:25 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
If you need to be specific then no he wasnt rewarded FOR his form. But he was rewarded the captaincy DESPITE the form. |
There are multiple reasons that could be the case. He's in the leadership group and an important part of the squad, perhaps McKenna thought it might be an opportunity to get his confidence up in a nothing game. It certainly wasn't a reward for his form, KM even spoke quite openly about Hirst being off it. | | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 13:02 - Feb 23 with 920 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
There's also another way to look at this, which I think people are overlooking.
If we were (however unlikely it is) to win the rest of our games, we will be promoted. That could be construed to make it a must win - but it's without context.
Where we inevitably drop points, we need to match Middlesbrough's results, beat them at Portman Road and win our games in hand. If we do this, we are promoted. No-one could do anything about it. It also keep the pressure on Boro.
None of that is easy, but it remains in our hands.
By the end of Wednesday, the task ahead of us may be easier - or it may be out of our hands (until the next set of games reset everything). Which is why right now it really is 'each game as it comes', and we re-evaluate our position after each result. | | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 13:54 - Feb 23 with 843 views | Blue_Uprising |
Although technically we cannot call something a ‘must win’ game (yet) to observe the rules of language, logic and maths.
Soon we could legitimately be able to call each game a ‘must not lose’ game.
By definition we will be able to roll out this status before the much anticipated ‘must win’ status.
The ‘must not lose’ status is tantalising close, but still tomorrow’s game is not a ‘must not lose’ game. [Post edited 23 Feb 13:55]
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 15:30 - Feb 23 with 774 views | Benters |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:19 - Feb 23 by _CliveBaker_ |
Hirst being made captain wasn't a reward for his form though was it? |
I must admit I didn’t think that was a good idea making Hirst the Captain in a game we basically threw the towel in,for the sake of the league. | |
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| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 15:40 - Feb 23 with 748 views | TJS |
We need 10 points from the next 4 games for me so a draw would mean we would have to win all three home games coming up. |  | | |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 16:58 - Feb 23 with 558 views | TrumptonBlue |
| So tomorrow’s game must be a ‘must win’? on 12:25 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
If you need to be specific then no he wasnt rewarded FOR his form. But he was rewarded the captaincy DESPITE the form. |
A reminder of the starting XI in the Cup game:
Palmer; Johnson, Kipré, Greaves, Baggott; Neil, Cajuste; McAteer, Walle Egeli, Akpom; Hirst.
Not sure there were many other candidates. Kipré, maybe? But choosing a loanee as captain would have been something of a snub to others. |  | | |
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