| Iran under attack 07:24 - Feb 28 with 4795 views | Perublue |
Well, it was only a matter of timing … Winter Olympics, state of the union address and Super Bowl all done … Israel jumped the gun though ? US are taking part in a 2nd wave though. |  |
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| Iran under attack on 09:31 - Feb 28 with 991 views | noggin |
US naval facility now struck in Bahrain. This could now get nasty. |  |
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| Iran under attack on 09:33 - Feb 28 with 984 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Iran under attack on 09:11 - Feb 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A former UK national security adviser said US and Israeli strikes against Iran were not “legal in a way that the UK would recognise”.
Lord Peter Ricketts told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “None of this, I think, is in any sense legal in a way that the UK would recognise.
“There was really no imminent threat to the US. This is action that they chose to undertake, or were dragged into it by the Israelis.”
Lord Ricketts added that the Israeli government had “pre-empted any risk that the US-Iranian negotiations were going to reach some sort of deal on the nuclear programme”. |
Looks like neither Iran, nor US, started it. Netanyahu made a preemptive strike, Iran responded within minutes then the Trumpster joined in. |  |
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| Iran under attack on 09:34 - Feb 28 with 972 views | Whos_blue |
The public hand holding between Trump and Yahoo over these series of attacks does not bode well for any meaningful support to the freeing of Palestine.
Yahoo doesn't want it and his mate the peacemaker may make some occasional noises but will only ever support Israel when it comes down to it.
Troubling times. |  |
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| Iran under attack on 09:44 - Feb 28 with 891 views | iamatractorboy |
| Iran under attack on 09:01 - Feb 28 by Dubtractor |
Is international law a thing any more then? Or can any country just do whatever it fancies without consequence? |
Team America: World Police have always been like that though (irrespective of how abhorrent some of the regimes they have (attempted to) toppled.) |  | | |
| Iran under attack on 09:47 - Feb 28 with 880 views | Guthrum |
| Iran under attack on 07:59 - Feb 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Wasn't Trump's manifesto largely based on America not being the world's police anymore? Feels like he's done the opposite and meddled in more countries than anyone else! |
MAGA wouldn't have supported him otherwise. They are all about national selfishness.
But the millenialist evangelicals want to make sure Armageddon happens with them on the right side. Miller enjoys cosplaying as a 19th century imperialist. Trump doesn't like people refusing to give in to what he and his amateur negotiators demand. Netanyahu just doesn't want peace. |  |
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| Iran under attack on 09:52 - Feb 28 with 849 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Iran under attack on 09:47 - Feb 28 by Guthrum |
MAGA wouldn't have supported him otherwise. They are all about national selfishness.
But the millenialist evangelicals want to make sure Armageddon happens with them on the right side. Miller enjoys cosplaying as a 19th century imperialist. Trump doesn't like people refusing to give in to what he and his amateur negotiators demand. Netanyahu just doesn't want peace. |
Fortunately though there is a lot of love for America and Israel in the wider Middle East so there's no way this gets out of control! Oh and some people have been seen cheering on the roof tops of Tehran so it's all good. |  |
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| Iran under attack on 09:52 - Feb 28 with 856 views | Churchman |
| Iran under attack on 09:11 - Feb 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A former UK national security adviser said US and Israeli strikes against Iran were not “legal in a way that the UK would recognise”.
Lord Peter Ricketts told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “None of this, I think, is in any sense legal in a way that the UK would recognise.
“There was really no imminent threat to the US. This is action that they chose to undertake, or were dragged into it by the Israelis.”
Lord Ricketts added that the Israeli government had “pre-empted any risk that the US-Iranian negotiations were going to reach some sort of deal on the nuclear programme”. |
The problem with a statement like ‘not legal in any way that the UK would recognise’. Is that it’s not relevant.
Hiding behind rules of international law might have been relevant a few years ago but they are not now. They are in the bin. Those with the power do not recognise them. The world for Trump, Putin, Xi is all about might is right. If you can turn the little people upside down and shake their money out of their pockets with no impact beyond enriching yourself you do it.
It is a pre 1939 world we are in. You have power, use it. Consequences? If everyone else ceases to be or are impoverished, not interested. Understand that and the actions of simpletons like trump become clear.
It is what these people are doing. Trump didn’t send a fleet over that way to give them a little exercise. He sent it to do exactly what they’ve done.
As for Iran, it’s a ghastly regime and there would never have been any agreement worth the paper it’s written on. It’d just have been another pile of lies to add to the ever growing heap in the very dangerous world we live in. |  | | |
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| Iran under attack on 09:56 - Feb 28 with 840 views | Guthrum |
| Iran under attack on 09:01 - Feb 28 by Dubtractor |
Is international law a thing any more then? Or can any country just do whatever it fancies without consequence? |
International law was only ever a thing by consensus and where there were major powers intent on backing it up. Really it was little more than a polite fiction to which nations would subscribe for some kind of moral high ground.
The great conferences of the 19th century were more about carving up than protecting the little people.
A lot of combatants have ignored (selectively or entirely) the Geneva Conventions.
The League of Nations was toothless and ineffectual.
The United Nations worked tolerably well for a while, but broke down. It is hamstrung by the veto system and by only having borrowed military strength. | |
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| Iran under attack on 09:56 - Feb 28 with 826 views | BloomBlue |
| Iran under attack on 09:01 - Feb 28 by Dubtractor |
Is international law a thing any more then? Or can any country just do whatever it fancies without consequence? |
Have you been asleep for a few years?
For example Russia just took Ukrainian land when they invaded Crimea, breaking international law with no consequences. Which emboldened them to take more Ukrainian land a few years later, still breaking international law.
The UN is a busted flush, and does nothing. |  | | |
| Iran under attack on 09:58 - Feb 28 with 812 views | Guthrum |
That's one of the closest US targets for Iran.
You can tell it's gone really messy when they close the Straits of Hormuz and/or begin attacking shipping. | |
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| Iran under attack on 10:00 - Feb 28 with 788 views | NthQldITFC |
Operation "Epic Fury" says everything about the juvenile mentality of the vvankers at the VVhite House. |  |
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| Iran under attack on 10:17 - Feb 28 with 713 views | Guthrum |
| Iran under attack on 09:52 - Feb 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Fortunately though there is a lot of love for America and Israel in the wider Middle East so there's no way this gets out of control! Oh and some people have been seen cheering on the roof tops of Tehran so it's all good. |
Tehran does not have many friends in the Middle East either.
Depends what you mean by 'out of control'. The only major power who might possibly back Iran is Russia. Quite apart from currently being rather busy themselves, I very much doubt they would go so directly and openly against Trump (they didn't do anything when Assad fell in Syria, which would have been very much easier, militarily and politically). Plus they lack the capability to face down the USA in an overseas theatre at short notice. | |
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| Iran under attack on 10:20 - Feb 28 with 701 views | Guthrum |
| Iran under attack on 08:09 - Feb 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Look like they targeted Khamenei‘s residence. I’ve seen videos of people cheering from rooftops.
Let’s hope the Iranian people can be liberated with minimal casualties. |
There is little chance the regime will be overthrown while the Iranian Revolutionary Guards (and associated organisations) still exist as a force. A scattering of bombs is unlikely to remove them from the picture. | |
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| Iran under attack on 10:36 - Feb 28 with 640 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Iran under attack on 10:20 - Feb 28 by Guthrum |
There is little chance the regime will be overthrown while the Iranian Revolutionary Guards (and associated organisations) still exist as a force. A scattering of bombs is unlikely to remove them from the picture. |
Cut & pasting one paragraph from one of two articles posted in the last couple of days by The Economist, article is behind a paywall.
The constitution allows the supreme leader to delegate his powers to others. In recent years Mr Larijani, rather than the president, Masoud Pezeshkian, has represented Mr Khamenei in dealings with Russia, China and the Arab monarchies of the Gulf states. Before a recent round of negotiations with America, Mr Larijani travelled to Oman to set the regime’s terms. After the failure of Hizbullah, a militia backed by Iran in Lebanon, and other Shia proxies to deter Israel, Mr Khamenei again turned to Mr Larijani—telling a civilian, not the head of the Quds Force, the external arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (irgc), to manage relations with Lebanon and Yemen. Many read it as a rebuke to the generals. He played such a key role in the January massacres that the Trump administration put him under sanctions by name.
This guy stands ready to take control. He apparently has relatives in both UK & USA has a more outward outlook than many in Iran. | |
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| Iran under attack on 10:43 - Feb 28 with 618 views | Guthrum |
| Iran under attack on 10:36 - Feb 28 by Pinewoodblue |
Cut & pasting one paragraph from one of two articles posted in the last couple of days by The Economist, article is behind a paywall.
The constitution allows the supreme leader to delegate his powers to others. In recent years Mr Larijani, rather than the president, Masoud Pezeshkian, has represented Mr Khamenei in dealings with Russia, China and the Arab monarchies of the Gulf states. Before a recent round of negotiations with America, Mr Larijani travelled to Oman to set the regime’s terms. After the failure of Hizbullah, a militia backed by Iran in Lebanon, and other Shia proxies to deter Israel, Mr Khamenei again turned to Mr Larijani—telling a civilian, not the head of the Quds Force, the external arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (irgc), to manage relations with Lebanon and Yemen. Many read it as a rebuke to the generals. He played such a key role in the January massacres that the Trump administration put him under sanctions by name.
This guy stands ready to take control. He apparently has relatives in both UK & USA has a more outward outlook than many in Iran. |
Altho Larijani himself is ex-IRGC.
The problem for him is being perhaps too closely tied to Khamanei. Even if he were willing to do so, overthrowing his old patron might not be enough of a change for the Israelis and Americans. Quite apart from making him a target for revenge from remaining loyalists. | |
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| Iran under attack on 10:50 - Feb 28 with 580 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Iran under attack on 07:56 - Feb 28 by StokieBlue |
It's existential for the regime. They will likely respond with everything they can.
Not sure how well MAGA will take this, especially if there are US casualties as "no more foreign wars" was a major campaign point.
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MTG and co will go ballistic. He promised no more forever wars and he's been like Dubya on steroids since being re elected.
I'll nit shed any tears for the Mullahs though. They have been responsible for most terrorist atrocities in the middle east and have been systematically murdering their own people. [Post edited 28 Feb 11:02]
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| Iran under attack on 11:06 - Feb 28 with 538 views | GlasgowBlue |
Australia supporting the attack.
Anthony Albanese
Australia stands with the brave people of Iran in their struggle against oppression.
For decades, the Iranian regime has been a destabilising force, through its ballistic missile and nuclear programs, support for armed proxies, and brutal acts of violence and intimidation.
Iran directed at least two attacks on Australian soil in 2024. These appalling acts targeting Australia’s Jewish community were intended to create fear, divide our society and challenge our sovereignty. In response, Australia took the unprecedented steps of expelling Iran’s Ambassador, suspending operations at our embassy in Tehran, and listing the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a state sponsor of terrorism.
Our Government has sanctioned more than 200 Iranian-linked individuals, including more than 100 linked to the IRGC.
With international partners, including the United States and the G7, we have called for the Iranian regime to uphold the human rights and fundamental freedoms of Iran’s citizens.
These calls have gone unheeded. Instead, the regime has instigated a brutal crackdown on its own people leaving thousands of Iranian civilians dead. A regime that relies on the repression and murder of its own people to retain power is without legitimacy.
It has long been recognised that Iran’s nuclear program is a threat to global peace and security. The international community has been clear that the Iranian regime can never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. The United Nations Security Council has reimposed sanctions on Iran for failing to comply with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action and the International Atomic Energy Agency Board has formally declared Iran in non-compliance with its non-proliferation safeguards obligations.
We support the United States acting to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and to prevent Iran continuing to threaten international peace and security.
Australian officials are closely monitoring this evolving situation. We continue
to advise Australians do not travel to Iran and leave Iran as soon as possible, if it is safe to do so. Our ability to provide consular assistance in Iran is extremely limited.
Given our concerns around security in the region, we have also upgraded Australia’s travel advice for Israel and Lebanon to Do Not Travel. Australians should leave now if it is safe to do so.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade has activated its Crisis Centre to provide consular support to Australians in the region.
Australians requiring urgent consular assistance can contact the Consular Emergency Centre 24/7 on 1300 555 135 in Australia or +61 2 6261 3305 from outside Australia. | |
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| Iran under attack on 11:20 - Feb 28 with 499 views | Benters |
| Iran under attack on 11:06 - Feb 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Australia supporting the attack.
Anthony Albanese
Australia stands with the brave people of Iran in their struggle against oppression.
For decades, the Iranian regime has been a destabilising force, through its ballistic missile and nuclear programs, support for armed proxies, and brutal acts of violence and intimidation.
Iran directed at least two attacks on Australian soil in 2024. These appalling acts targeting Australia’s Jewish community were intended to create fear, divide our society and challenge our sovereignty. In response, Australia took the unprecedented steps of expelling Iran’s Ambassador, suspending operations at our embassy in Tehran, and listing the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a state sponsor of terrorism.
Our Government has sanctioned more than 200 Iranian-linked individuals, including more than 100 linked to the IRGC.
With international partners, including the United States and the G7, we have called for the Iranian regime to uphold the human rights and fundamental freedoms of Iran’s citizens.
These calls have gone unheeded. Instead, the regime has instigated a brutal crackdown on its own people leaving thousands of Iranian civilians dead. A regime that relies on the repression and murder of its own people to retain power is without legitimacy.
It has long been recognised that Iran’s nuclear program is a threat to global peace and security. The international community has been clear that the Iranian regime can never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. The United Nations Security Council has reimposed sanctions on Iran for failing to comply with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action and the International Atomic Energy Agency Board has formally declared Iran in non-compliance with its non-proliferation safeguards obligations.
We support the United States acting to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and to prevent Iran continuing to threaten international peace and security.
Australian officials are closely monitoring this evolving situation. We continue
to advise Australians do not travel to Iran and leave Iran as soon as possible, if it is safe to do so. Our ability to provide consular assistance in Iran is extremely limited.
Given our concerns around security in the region, we have also upgraded Australia’s travel advice for Israel and Lebanon to Do Not Travel. Australians should leave now if it is safe to do so.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade has activated its Crisis Centre to provide consular support to Australians in the region.
Australians requiring urgent consular assistance can contact the Consular Emergency Centre 24/7 on 1300 555 135 in Australia or +61 2 6261 3305 from outside Australia. |
Good for Australia👍 |  |
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| Iran under attack on 11:27 - Feb 28 with 471 views | Sarge |
| Iran under attack on 07:59 - Feb 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Wasn't Trump's manifesto largely based on America not being the world's police anymore? Feels like he's done the opposite and meddled in more countries than anyone else! |
I think he’s still stayed true to this. Police tend to uphold law and order. Trump’s America is more akin to an international terrorist organisation. | | | |
| Iran under attack on 11:28 - Feb 28 with 465 views | Dubtractor |
| Iran under attack on 09:56 - Feb 28 by BloomBlue |
Have you been asleep for a few years?
For example Russia just took Ukrainian land when they invaded Crimea, breaking international law with no consequences. Which emboldened them to take more Ukrainian land a few years later, still breaking international law.
The UN is a busted flush, and does nothing. |
Well yes, that's my point. |  |
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| Iran under attack on 11:30 - Feb 28 with 451 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Iran under attack on 10:43 - Feb 28 by Guthrum |
Altho Larijani himself is ex-IRGC.
The problem for him is being perhaps too closely tied to Khamanei. Even if he were willing to do so, overthrowing his old patron might not be enough of a change for the Israelis and Americans. Quite apart from making him a target for revenge from remaining loyalists. |
He is on Trump’s hit list as seen responsible for the death of so many protesters. He is also son of a cleric so has a foot in both camps. | |
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| Iran under attack on 11:57 - Feb 28 with 355 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Iran under attack on 08:17 - Feb 28 by StokieBlue |
I imagine quite a few are also worried about what happens after and whether they get a puppet government installed.
Externally driven regime change has very rarely worked as a strategy and I suspect many won't be happy with the IDF being involved in it. These things usually have to happen from within although that is obviously more difficult.
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Regarding your point about the IDF. Many normal Iranian people are supportive of Israel. They see the Mullahs obsession with Israel and the funding of terror groups like Hezbollah, Hama and the Houthis as being detrimental to their own country. They also share a mutual hatred of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.
Prior to the 1979 revolution, Iran was one of the few countries in the middle east which had diplomatic ties with Israel. | |
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| Iran under attack on 12:06 - Feb 28 with 322 views | Zx1988 |
| Iran under attack on 11:06 - Feb 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Australia supporting the attack.
Anthony Albanese
Australia stands with the brave people of Iran in their struggle against oppression.
For decades, the Iranian regime has been a destabilising force, through its ballistic missile and nuclear programs, support for armed proxies, and brutal acts of violence and intimidation.
Iran directed at least two attacks on Australian soil in 2024. These appalling acts targeting Australia’s Jewish community were intended to create fear, divide our society and challenge our sovereignty. In response, Australia took the unprecedented steps of expelling Iran’s Ambassador, suspending operations at our embassy in Tehran, and listing the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a state sponsor of terrorism.
Our Government has sanctioned more than 200 Iranian-linked individuals, including more than 100 linked to the IRGC.
With international partners, including the United States and the G7, we have called for the Iranian regime to uphold the human rights and fundamental freedoms of Iran’s citizens.
These calls have gone unheeded. Instead, the regime has instigated a brutal crackdown on its own people leaving thousands of Iranian civilians dead. A regime that relies on the repression and murder of its own people to retain power is without legitimacy.
It has long been recognised that Iran’s nuclear program is a threat to global peace and security. The international community has been clear that the Iranian regime can never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. The United Nations Security Council has reimposed sanctions on Iran for failing to comply with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action and the International Atomic Energy Agency Board has formally declared Iran in non-compliance with its non-proliferation safeguards obligations.
We support the United States acting to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and to prevent Iran continuing to threaten international peace and security.
Australian officials are closely monitoring this evolving situation. We continue
to advise Australians do not travel to Iran and leave Iran as soon as possible, if it is safe to do so. Our ability to provide consular assistance in Iran is extremely limited.
Given our concerns around security in the region, we have also upgraded Australia’s travel advice for Israel and Lebanon to Do Not Travel. Australians should leave now if it is safe to do so.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade has activated its Crisis Centre to provide consular support to Australians in the region.
Australians requiring urgent consular assistance can contact the Consular Emergency Centre 24/7 on 1300 555 135 in Australia or +61 2 6261 3305 from outside Australia. |
Not sure any leader of any developed nation should be speaking out in support of these illegal attacks. | |
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| Iran under attack on 12:29 - Feb 28 with 267 views | JohnTy |
| Iran under attack on 11:57 - Feb 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Regarding your point about the IDF. Many normal Iranian people are supportive of Israel. They see the Mullahs obsession with Israel and the funding of terror groups like Hezbollah, Hama and the Houthis as being detrimental to their own country. They also share a mutual hatred of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.
Prior to the 1979 revolution, Iran was one of the few countries in the middle east which had diplomatic ties with Israel. |
"Normal"? I am not sure what that looks like in Iran when you consider the history of Iran since the Second World War.
Opinion in Iran was highly polarised towards the Shah, and his ties with Israel. The Shah's regime had ties with Mossad of course, and after the 7 day war secular opposition to Israel increased.
I remember the illusions in the US and Israel about the positive effects that would come from the fall of Saddam Hussein. We are still waiting for those. [Post edited 28 Feb 12:30]
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