| Can we talk about Egeli? 08:23 - Mar 15 with 6629 views | franz_tyson |
I really feel for the lad and I appreciate he's scored a couple of important goals lately, but, surely, McAteer offers more down that right hand side. It's painful when we get on the front foot and the ball goes right. And then all momentum stops because Egeli has to stop and transfer the ball to his left. I'm sure confidence is part of it and he looks as if he's carrying a lot on his shoulders, but he's got to offer more as a wide man.
Being taken off at HT isn't really in the McKenna playbook. Think it's time for McAteer to step up and we've got to look after Egeli a bit and take him out of the firing line.
I've seen him play for Norway u21's and think he scored a hattrick and looked a worldbeater, but looks so ineffective at this level. Having said that, got 4 goals when he's not playing well so there could be a genuine goal-scorer in there.... but just looks a real weakness and so easy to defend against. |  | | |  |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:26 - Mar 15 with 3861 views | Zx1988 |
I feel for the lad - this season will have been a huge adjustment for him, both in a football sense and a personal sense.
I wouldn't be surprised if he does a bit of a Jaden/Clarke, and really comes into his own next season. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:31 - Mar 15 with 3809 views | RichOBlue |
I don’t think starting him does him any favours at the moment, just doesn’t have that burst of pace to get away from defenders on the wing, he walked past there left back today but just couldn’t leave his man behind. I’d like to see just cameos of the bench centrally he’s got quality and can clearly finish |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:33 - Mar 15 with 3772 views | Mookamoo |
He looks tired.
Hugely talented prospect, but he is not a RW. |  | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:42 - Mar 15 with 3691 views | cbower |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:31 - Mar 15 by RichOBlue |
I don’t think starting him does him any favours at the moment, just doesn’t have that burst of pace to get away from defenders on the wing, he walked past there left back today but just couldn’t leave his man behind. I’d like to see just cameos of the bench centrally he’s got quality and can clearly finish |
Yep, the turn of pace just isn't there and that is what I have to admit, I was expecting from him. Obviously, like all fans I want us promoted but genuinely fear for him if we do. It could set his Town career back as I can't see him making an impact at a higher level in the next 12 months as he is struggling somewhat at this level. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:46 - Mar 15 with 3655 views | grow_our_own |
I really hope he comes good, starting next season. But I'm concerned he lacks the raw materials. With the best will in the world, and the best coaching and development, you can't wish a right-foot and pace into being. Either you've got them or you don't. By the time he ran around the ball yesterday to put that rebound chance onto his left foot, the keeper had got into position, which put pressure on him to power his shot, and he spooned it high and wide.
Yesterday was poor, but McAteer doesn't look the answer either. McAteer's ceiling is somewhere between Kayden Jackson and Wes Burns. From what we've seen so far, it's much nearer the former. Ie much better without the ball than with it. He's the opposite and equal to Ben Johnson. His athleticism makes me think he'd be a better full-back/wing-back than right-10. McAteer is the best presser at the club, but despite yesterday, who would I prefer a chance or final pass opportunity to fall to between Egeli and McAteer? Egeli every time. [Post edited 15 Mar 8:47]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:55 - Mar 15 with 3582 views | _CliveBaker_ |
I’m not 100% convinced of the apparent potential tbh. I’m struggling to see what his specialism is. He’s not especially quick, he’s a bit loose in possession, crosses are poor for the most part. He’s chipped in with a few goals but his finishing has been really hit and miss.
TBH above all of that the thing I find most frustrating is his languid approach. That might just be his natural persona which is fine, but he seems to float through games, expressionless, he’s very meek. I’d like to see some bigger b0llocks on him personally. Even getting stuck into a ref or an opponent, just something. If his shorts had pockets I’m convinced his hands would be in them. There just doesn’t ever seem to be any urgency about him, he cuts a lonely figure to me but that might be unfair.
He’s young and needs time. It’s a huge adjustment and I hope the club are taking care of him off the pitch. I’d take him out of the limelight right now personally. |  | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:57 - Mar 15 with 3536 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:46 - Mar 15 by grow_our_own |
I really hope he comes good, starting next season. But I'm concerned he lacks the raw materials. With the best will in the world, and the best coaching and development, you can't wish a right-foot and pace into being. Either you've got them or you don't. By the time he ran around the ball yesterday to put that rebound chance onto his left foot, the keeper had got into position, which put pressure on him to power his shot, and he spooned it high and wide.
Yesterday was poor, but McAteer doesn't look the answer either. McAteer's ceiling is somewhere between Kayden Jackson and Wes Burns. From what we've seen so far, it's much nearer the former. Ie much better without the ball than with it. He's the opposite and equal to Ben Johnson. His athleticism makes me think he'd be a better full-back/wing-back than right-10. McAteer is the best presser at the club, but despite yesterday, who would I prefer a chance or final pass opportunity to fall to between Egeli and McAteer? Egeli every time. [Post edited 15 Mar 8:47]
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I agree. The problem is that both Mcateer and Egeli stink the place out. Both rubbish in different ways.
Leaving aside the issue of bloody awful recruitment for another day, can Clarke or Jaden play there as a stop gap? Mehmeti, even? Or can we stick Azon over there with Akpom up top? |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:00 - Mar 15 with 3518 views | bournemouthblue |
There's clearly a player in there but confidence is shot a bit, it's his first season overseas and he is young
He is a project signing, be it an expensive one
Once he develops his composure and understands his game better, he will become a dangerous player |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:03 - Mar 15 with 3490 views | bournemouthblue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:57 - Mar 15 by BouncebackIpswich |
I agree. The problem is that both Mcateer and Egeli stink the place out. Both rubbish in different ways.
Leaving aside the issue of bloody awful recruitment for another day, can Clarke or Jaden play there as a stop gap? Mehmeti, even? Or can we stick Azon over there with Akpom up top? |
Clarke seems better suited to it than Philogene, really you want a winger with the directness of Burns but a bit more technical wizardry, which isn't easy to find for obvious reasons | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:05 - Mar 15 with 3469 views | RichOBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:42 - Mar 15 by cbower |
Yep, the turn of pace just isn't there and that is what I have to admit, I was expecting from him. Obviously, like all fans I want us promoted but genuinely fear for him if we do. It could set his Town career back as I can't see him making an impact at a higher level in the next 12 months as he is struggling somewhat at this level. |
Yeah I’d suggest a year loan move maybe even to a to a top Dutch/belgian team he’s still got so much time on his side | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:07 - Mar 15 with 3457 views | Linners |
We can't seem to *stop* talking about Egeli. We've had more takes than Spielberg. |  | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:15 - Mar 15 with 3392 views | cbower |
I also cannot stop the thoughts of what 17 million quid might well have got us in the Number 9 position. | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:18 - Mar 15 with 3328 views | FrimleyBlue |
Not a starter. One to bring on it there's space against tiring defenders. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:21 - Mar 15 with 3306 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:15 - Mar 15 by cbower |
I also cannot stop the thoughts of what 17 million quid might well have got us in the Number 9 position. |
Not just that
Could £17 mill have gotten us fatawu? | |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:24 - Mar 15 with 3304 views | Churchman |
See other thread. I thought he did alright. He lacks pace and isn’t a right winger, but he was involved and kept the ball reasonably well. He has scored important goals and had a good chance at the end of the first half. Shame he didn’t try with his other foot, but he got in position to make the attempt.
He looks and is very young. Plenty to learn, but there’s a lot to like about his game. He’s going to be a really good player, possibly even as soon as next season. |  | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:30 - Mar 15 with 3259 views | J2BLUE |
Players often take a year to settle. He's young and moved countries. Big expectations and lots of mentions of the record fee. He's not even playing in his preferred position at the moment.
Plenty of time for him to prove himself. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:31 - Mar 15 with 3258 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
If we get promoted, should we look to loan him out? With the best will in the world I can't see him having any impact in the PL next season. | | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:32 - Mar 15 with 3249 views | strikalite |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:55 - Mar 15 by _CliveBaker_ |
I’m not 100% convinced of the apparent potential tbh. I’m struggling to see what his specialism is. He’s not especially quick, he’s a bit loose in possession, crosses are poor for the most part. He’s chipped in with a few goals but his finishing has been really hit and miss.
TBH above all of that the thing I find most frustrating is his languid approach. That might just be his natural persona which is fine, but he seems to float through games, expressionless, he’s very meek. I’d like to see some bigger b0llocks on him personally. Even getting stuck into a ref or an opponent, just something. If his shorts had pockets I’m convinced his hands would be in them. There just doesn’t ever seem to be any urgency about him, he cuts a lonely figure to me but that might be unfair.
He’s young and needs time. It’s a huge adjustment and I hope the club are taking care of him off the pitch. I’d take him out of the limelight right now personally. |
A lot won't want to read that but that's the harsh reality I'm afraid, he plays like a poor Steve Whitton out there on the right, so little pace in a position where boy you need pace, and sadly that's not down to his age or even confidence(which he massively lacks)... there's no doubt given the fee we paid we're desperate for him to succeed and quickly, that's not helping us or him to be honest..
The worry is I'm just concerned there isn't a natural position out there for him, even his off the ball closing down and chasing/tackling isn't anything special, of course we've seen glimpses of his quality on the ball, he has a good touch but that's sadly the least you'd expect really.. |  | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:33 - Mar 15 with 3228 views | barcelonablue2 |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:24 - Mar 15 by Churchman |
See other thread. I thought he did alright. He lacks pace and isn’t a right winger, but he was involved and kept the ball reasonably well. He has scored important goals and had a good chance at the end of the first half. Shame he didn’t try with his other foot, but he got in position to make the attempt.
He looks and is very young. Plenty to learn, but there’s a lot to like about his game. He’s going to be a really good player, possibly even as soon as next season. |
Not sure he even lacks pace. Of course, compared to Burns and McAteer he does not have the afterburners yet but if he did then he would be playing for a European Champions League team not Ipswich.
Think his unwilligness to run directly is more about confidence and wanting someone to pass back or so he can be on the inside of his man so he can use his left foot when he does get in the box. Would rather as fans, players and club we just said look you're developing (not directed at anyone) just be aggressive and believe you can shoot on your right. Even if you miss 20 chances this season it will not really cost us and he can build up the muscle memory he needs in those situations. | | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:41 - Mar 15 with 3155 views | Herbivore |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:15 - Mar 15 by cbower |
I also cannot stop the thoughts of what 17 million quid might well have got us in the Number 9 position. |
That's about what Brum paid for Jay Stansfield who has managed a goal every 306 minutes this season. Same number of goals as Hirst, though Hirst has bagged his at a rate of one every 194 minutes. Stansfield has more goals than Azon but a worse goals to minutes ratio, Azon's being one every 273 minutes. So for all the criticism our strikers have had, much of it fair but some of it not, Hirst is scoring a goal just over every 2 full games and Azon is scoring a goal every 3 full games. And both are scoring more frequently than a striker who cost in that £17m ballpark. So in short, £17m on a striker might not have got us much more (indeed possibly even less) than we already have. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:56 - Mar 15 with 3051 views | Churchman |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:32 - Mar 15 by strikalite |
A lot won't want to read that but that's the harsh reality I'm afraid, he plays like a poor Steve Whitton out there on the right, so little pace in a position where boy you need pace, and sadly that's not down to his age or even confidence(which he massively lacks)... there's no doubt given the fee we paid we're desperate for him to succeed and quickly, that's not helping us or him to be honest..
The worry is I'm just concerned there isn't a natural position out there for him, even his off the ball closing down and chasing/tackling isn't anything special, of course we've seen glimpses of his quality on the ball, he has a good touch but that's sadly the least you'd expect really.. |
I don’t think he’s anything like Steve Whitton apart from the position he is being asked to play.
Whitton was 31 when he rocked up, experienced and joined a settled side. He had a reasonable degree of pace, was right footed, big and rumbustious. His control was often not that great but he piled up that side and caused mayhem. Could hit a ball too. He fitted the bill at the time.
Egeli does not have the physical strength of an experienced player and does a job out wide without really ‘getting’ it. As you’d expect given age, experience, new to the country, playing in a team that plays a totally different way to Lyall’s with squad rotation.
People keep raising the fee paid. What on earth has it got to do with him or the people raising it? Did they pay it? The club paid the market rate for a good prospect. I see him playing more centrally in the future. He has good vision and can pick a pass in addition to knowing where the goal is.
I don’t think he’s anything like lacks confidence particularly. He doesn’t hide but his demeanour is quite deadpan, as Scandinavians sometimes are.
Time, games and encouragement is all he needs. | | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:57 - Mar 15 with 3043 views | Smoresy |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 08:55 - Mar 15 by _CliveBaker_ |
I’m not 100% convinced of the apparent potential tbh. I’m struggling to see what his specialism is. He’s not especially quick, he’s a bit loose in possession, crosses are poor for the most part. He’s chipped in with a few goals but his finishing has been really hit and miss.
TBH above all of that the thing I find most frustrating is his languid approach. That might just be his natural persona which is fine, but he seems to float through games, expressionless, he’s very meek. I’d like to see some bigger b0llocks on him personally. Even getting stuck into a ref or an opponent, just something. If his shorts had pockets I’m convinced his hands would be in them. There just doesn’t ever seem to be any urgency about him, he cuts a lonely figure to me but that might be unfair.
He’s young and needs time. It’s a huge adjustment and I hope the club are taking care of him off the pitch. I’d take him out of the limelight right now personally. |
I'm nobody to judge but agree with most of this. He's had a couple of brilliant crosses, creative moments, an excellent shot and a cross-field pass. His average example* is a long way off his best example in each category though, which leaves me unsure which is more likely to be his "normal" in a few years' time.
Meanwhile physical attributes like pace and power hinder him presently, with one much easier to greatly improve than the other. Maybe some stage fright is partly responsible for his leg speed; don't mean to pass judgement on what he is and isn't capable of, only that my dullard eyes haven't caught up to his potential yet. Confidence could also explain the absent right foot.
*Average example in live games and in Portman Road warm-ups, to be sure, the only stuff I've seen.
On removing him from the limelight, it was gutting to see Wes limp off. I have to believe KM is prioritising points on the board over player development now we've reached crunch time, so feel Sindre must be showing more than Kasey in training. RW is a right headache. | | | |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:05 - Mar 15 with 2986 views | Guthrum |
It's more a tactical thing than a problem with the player. Walle Egeli is meant to be the counterpart of Clarke/Philogene on the other wing. Cutting inside to unleash shots, while the Fullback bombs past down the line to draw defenders away and give an option to get the ball to the byline for a cross if the route to goal is blocked off.
Works very well on the left. But the two on that side have a lot more experience and understanding, thus greater threat when they do cut in, while Davis is more dangerous in his part of the combination than Furlong.
Walle Egeli is young and still learning the game at senior level. He will get increasingly effective and fluent the more matches he plays. At some point he will master cutting inside without having to stop, keeping the defender wrong-footed when he does have to pause, plus variations involving the fullback (it's not a decoy if defenders know he is unlikely to pass to Furlong). These things that Clarke and Philogene do all the time that Walle Egeli is still learning. |  |
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:07 - Mar 15 with 2967 views | grow_our_own |
"I’d like to see some bigger b0llocks on him personally" - agreed. A left foot alone isn't enough. I think Egeli needs to recognise that he's 6ft tall and use that. Full-backs are often shorter than him, yet he barely competes for headers. If he's never going to have a right-foot or pace, then maybe he can still be a decent Championship-level pro at right-10 if he injects some Delap/Whitton aggression into his game.
Azeez is what a 20m right-10 looks like. He's scored/assisted every game for a long time now. [Post edited 15 Mar 10:10]
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| Can we talk about Egeli? on 10:11 - Mar 15 with 2896 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Can we talk about Egeli? on 09:56 - Mar 15 by Churchman |
I don’t think he’s anything like Steve Whitton apart from the position he is being asked to play.
Whitton was 31 when he rocked up, experienced and joined a settled side. He had a reasonable degree of pace, was right footed, big and rumbustious. His control was often not that great but he piled up that side and caused mayhem. Could hit a ball too. He fitted the bill at the time.
Egeli does not have the physical strength of an experienced player and does a job out wide without really ‘getting’ it. As you’d expect given age, experience, new to the country, playing in a team that plays a totally different way to Lyall’s with squad rotation.
People keep raising the fee paid. What on earth has it got to do with him or the people raising it? Did they pay it? The club paid the market rate for a good prospect. I see him playing more centrally in the future. He has good vision and can pick a pass in addition to knowing where the goal is.
I don’t think he’s anything like lacks confidence particularly. He doesn’t hide but his demeanour is quite deadpan, as Scandinavians sometimes are.
Time, games and encouragement is all he needs. |
The question really tho church is if its really obvious to fans that hes not ready why does he keep getting starts.
Totally agree about the potential. Totally agree that he will end up central.
But imo the fee paid and why its mentioned is because thats the only reason he is being involved. He hasnt done enough in any performances to be banging on the managers do to get starts yet he gets them.
If we are serious about top two. He simply cant start games. It helps us in no way when he does. Hes no omari. He's just an expensive young punt on potential that isnt suited to our club at present as his wide right forward role doesnt exist with us as teams are pushing him to halfway facing our own goal. And then when he does get forward hes not developed enough to get past championship fullbacks.
If he didnt cost what he did hed be with the u21s like the other young signings we made. | |
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