| Time to Move On (at your own pace) 08:41 - Mar 28 with 5191 views | Chris_ITFC |
I get it. I honestly do. I was as p*ssed, dumbstruck, astonished, offended as anyone.
But that’s the best we’re getting. He’s fronted up, climbed down and apologised. You might not like the sentiment, you might be able to rip the words apart, but that’s it now. There won’t be anymore videos, apologies, statements, resignations or sackings.
You can either meet them in the middle, start to move on, and get back to enjoying your football club again or, sadly, this will end up spoiling something that is such a big, important part of your life. Unfortunately life isn’t perfect, but don’t let this or anyone spoil ITFC for you.
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 11:01 - Mar 28 with 820 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 10:41 - Mar 28 by Chris_ITFC |
In reality, this is far bigger for us than anyone else. Sure, there will be plenty who’ve noticed it, but it’s hardly been national headline news.
I don’t see it being 3000 vociferously singing it week in, week out, and if anything, many without skin in the game will just see it as harmless gallows humour. That’s football for you. |
I think you are being overly fair. Let's how he gets on at Norwich and if the whole thing has blown over by then. Time is a healer, Ashton is hoping. |  | | |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:08 - Mar 28 with 757 views | Paramedic |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 08:44 - Mar 28 by jasondozzell |
It's not good enough.
It's not the Ipswich Town I grew up supporting.
He's got to go. |
He’s apologised. Why can’t that be accepted. What is wrong with people these days, what happened to forgive and forget. People love ruining other people. |  |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:11 - Mar 28 with 751 views | pointofblue |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:08 - Mar 28 by Paramedic |
He’s apologised. Why can’t that be accepted. What is wrong with people these days, what happened to forgive and forget. People love ruining other people. |
Because it was not an apology.
Ashton's actions have divided the fanbase, made some feel isolated and rejected and angered players/coaching staff at a critical point of the season. We all do make mistakes. But someone paid a lot of money for a key role should have seen this coming from a mile off. Not allow it to go head, then try and lie his way out of it when it all goes wrong. It doesn't befit the club nor everything it supposedly stands for. | |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:15 - Mar 28 with 747 views | Paramedic |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:11 - Mar 28 by pointofblue |
Because it was not an apology.
Ashton's actions have divided the fanbase, made some feel isolated and rejected and angered players/coaching staff at a critical point of the season. We all do make mistakes. But someone paid a lot of money for a key role should have seen this coming from a mile off. Not allow it to go head, then try and lie his way out of it when it all goes wrong. It doesn't befit the club nor everything it supposedly stands for. |
So you feel hounding him out the club is beneficial, at this point of the season. He made a mistake, a big one at that, but it’s time to be rational and level headed now, not calls for a public flogging. | |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:20 - Mar 28 with 738 views | pointofblue |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:15 - Mar 28 by Paramedic |
So you feel hounding him out the club is beneficial, at this point of the season. He made a mistake, a big one at that, but it’s time to be rational and level headed now, not calls for a public flogging. |
I do. I appreciate your argument that keeping him is beneficial, and understand where you're coming from, but my belief it too much has happened for his position at the club to be sustainable. His actions have damaged relationships with the staff, players and sponsors. It will have an emotional and economic impact whether we'd like it to or not. The event happening was bad enough but the subsequent handling of the fallout has been abysmal.
We all make mistakes. How we handle them is important, as is learning from them. The final aspect has been promised. The first aspect was a mess. Sometimes there is no need for anyone to carry the can. Unfortunately, for me personally, this doesn't fall into that criteria. | |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:24 - Mar 28 with 735 views | Paramedic |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:20 - Mar 28 by pointofblue |
I do. I appreciate your argument that keeping him is beneficial, and understand where you're coming from, but my belief it too much has happened for his position at the club to be sustainable. His actions have damaged relationships with the staff, players and sponsors. It will have an emotional and economic impact whether we'd like it to or not. The event happening was bad enough but the subsequent handling of the fallout has been abysmal.
We all make mistakes. How we handle them is important, as is learning from them. The final aspect has been promised. The first aspect was a mess. Sometimes there is no need for anyone to carry the can. Unfortunately, for me personally, this doesn't fall into that criteria. |
Fair comment, that’s your opinion. I just think there’s bigger issues going on in the world right now to really make so much out of this. | |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:25 - Mar 28 with 731 views | pointofblue |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:24 - Mar 28 by Paramedic |
Fair comment, that’s your opinion. I just think there’s bigger issues going on in the world right now to really make so much out of this. |
Oh definitely. But, in terms of the Ipswich Town bubble, this is a big issue and will harm the club moving forward unless managed correctly. And unfortunately, IMO, it hasn't been. | |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:30 - Mar 28 with 723 views | Paramedic |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:25 - Mar 28 by pointofblue |
Oh definitely. But, in terms of the Ipswich Town bubble, this is a big issue and will harm the club moving forward unless managed correctly. And unfortunately, IMO, it hasn't been. |
I don’t believe it will. People need to get over it now. By banging on and on it will never fade into the background and be forgotten, as it should. A mistake yes, does it really make so much difference, really, no I don’t think it does. Massive over reaction in my opinion. | |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:34 - Mar 28 with 707 views | MrPotatoHead |
Thanks for the permission, appreciate it. |  | | |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:35 - Mar 28 with 707 views | muccletonjoe |
You are right with the at your own pace comment. I think the best post i have seen on the whole affair. I am now going to take myself away from the whole thing for a few days and try and get my head around it. I have made my feelings very clear on the subject. Hopefully I can get back to the football and lose the anger. |  | | |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 14:03 - Mar 28 with 679 views | RonFearonsHair |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:08 - Mar 28 by Paramedic |
He’s apologised. Why can’t that be accepted. What is wrong with people these days, what happened to forgive and forget. People love ruining other people. |
"People love ruining other people."
Something George Hirst is unfortunately all too aware of already. Hopefully the "let's just concentrate on supporting the lads" crew will stand by their pledge during the run-in. |  | | |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 14:13 - Mar 28 with 645 views | GeoffSentence |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:15 - Mar 28 by Paramedic |
So you feel hounding him out the club is beneficial, at this point of the season. He made a mistake, a big one at that, but it’s time to be rational and level headed now, not calls for a public flogging. |
Actually, thinking about it, a public flogging would drw a line under all this. |  |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 14:22 - Mar 28 with 631 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:30 - Mar 28 by Paramedic |
I don’t believe it will. People need to get over it now. By banging on and on it will never fade into the background and be forgotten, as it should. A mistake yes, does it really make so much difference, really, no I don’t think it does. Massive over reaction in my opinion. |
"Massive over reaction in my opinion."
And you are entitled to it.
The fact of the matter is that for myself, and a lot of other fans, what has happened is not enough. If there was any sign of contrition, lessons being learned and an apology for anything at all other than a generic "We're sorry we hurt your feelings, but admit nothing", then I would be more accepting, but there hasn't been, there is no sign of there being, there has been no explanation. Ashton is performing lip-service because he has been backed into a corner.
This has caused untold damage amongst a significant portion of the fanbase. Blaming the fans is misdirected imho.
I wish I could be as forgiving as you, and I didn't feel this way, but I cannot. Actions and words matter. The trust has been completely broken and empty platitudes is not an attempt to restore it. imho.
This whole episode saddens me greatly. |  |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 14:29 - Mar 28 with 610 views | budgiebasher |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 08:46 - Mar 28 by TheMoralMajority |
Just out of interest. And this is a genuine (albeit somewhat loaded) question.
What has he actually apologised for? Because I would argue that an apology for nothing is no apology at all. |
Completely agree - the apology arrived only after sustained media pressure, days of silence, and a misleading initial club statement. Genuine accountability tends not to require that level of prompting. |  |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 15:19 - Mar 28 with 545 views | grow_our_own |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 10:11 - Mar 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I can’t find anything about political parties in our published written policies (I could be missing it), so I think the OP is right that at least we’ll now have a formalised position. It sounds trivial, but a written policy could have been used to start a formal process against Aston. Without that, it just comes down to the discretion of the owners and opens up a possible issue of an unfair dismissal claim should be be sacked. |
"unfair dismissal claim" - I'm fairly confident that holding a staff briefing and lying to them isn't among ITFC company policies. | | | |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 15:21 - Mar 28 with 542 views | grow_our_own |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 09:06 - Mar 28 by Chris_ITFC |
That’s absolutely fair. I’m not telling anyone what to think - but just trying to bring some unity back to the fanbase.
I get the anger, but to say “zero sign” is stretching things too far in the other direction. The video is far, far from perfect, but it’s an admission that they’ve been on the wrong side of this, if nothing else. |
"admission that they’ve been on the wrong side of this" - admission they've been on the wrong side of what? Ashton admitted nothing.
Also some here seem very confident "Ashton will be gone in the summer" - did we miss an announcement? For all we know it's pure lip-service. | | | |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 15:43 - Mar 28 with 520 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 09:04 - Mar 28 by Plums |
It can't be parked, the damage is done. Here's a minor example.
Last night over tea, it transpired that on Thursday at college, it was 'wear who you are' day for charity. My daughter chose not to wear one of her Town shirts (we don't live in Suffolk) because she didn't want to spend the day either being mocked or associated with Reform and all the online memes that have followed. Last week, a Town shirt would simply have been a conversation starter and something she has worn with pride.
This wasn't something I or anybody else knew about or influenced, it was her decision.
This week has fundamentally changed some people's relationship with the club. It's not about 'elements of the community being hurt', it's about who we are, our pride in the badge and how we're perceived.
No amount of 'moving on' statements will change it. |
Not sure if anyone else is getting the same, but the more people just bellow "MOVE ON" (not you OP), the more I'm reminded of Farage's pathetic response any time he's asked for his justification of anything he's done in the past (which, by definition, is everything he's ever done).
Ever heard him explain what's been so fantastic about Brexit? "IT'S IN THE PAST, MOVE ON." Why do all his ex-schoolmates seem to have clear and consistent memories of him being a massive racist? "MOVE ON. BORING!" It's all he's got, so he just shouts it, and thinks that wins.
I agree there's got to be some way things can go forward. But every time some tit just commands the forum to "MOVE ON", for me it just brings back into sharper focus what a shitstorm this week has been. | | | |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 08:34 - Mar 31 with 376 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:35 - Mar 28 by muccletonjoe |
You are right with the at your own pace comment. I think the best post i have seen on the whole affair. I am now going to take myself away from the whole thing for a few days and try and get my head around it. I have made my feelings very clear on the subject. Hopefully I can get back to the football and lose the anger. |
I’d be curious how people’s views have changed (mellowed or strengthened) over the last few days, in terms of the OP / feeling able to move on (or not)… | |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 08:56 - Mar 31 with 357 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 08:34 - Mar 31 by Chris_ITFC |
I’d be curious how people’s views have changed (mellowed or strengthened) over the last few days, in terms of the OP / feeling able to move on (or not)… |
My view is very unlikely to change. Rather than repeat myself I'll link to a response to a similar question from yesterday:
I hope the "We want Ashton out" chant by TheMoralMajority 30 Mar 23:50He could pay me 1 MILLION DOLLARS
https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Dr.-Evil.jpg
In all honesty, the trust has been well and truly broken for me. Without a doubt he could have rescued it last week, but as he doubled down and doubled down again that window slowly inched shut.
I will never say never, it would very much depend on what he did, but if I were to be honest, I struggle to see how he could rebuild even a modicum of that trust back
I would add (as I said before) I will only respond to threads about this issue though, not start any. I think enough divisiveness has already been caused, and there are plenty of places for me to get involved. | |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 08:58 - Mar 31 with 352 views | mrshallisfit |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 13:08 - Mar 28 by Paramedic |
He’s apologised. Why can’t that be accepted. What is wrong with people these days, what happened to forgive and forget. People love ruining other people. |
Because it wasn't an apology. Did you listen to it? | | | |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 09:04 - Mar 31 with 339 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Can move on for now to an extent.
When the Farage chants in the stand start coming up we will be back here again. |  |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 09:08 - Mar 31 with 331 views | bluelagos |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 08:34 - Mar 31 by Chris_ITFC |
I’d be curious how people’s views have changed (mellowed or strengthened) over the last few days, in terms of the OP / feeling able to move on (or not)… |
I don't see the club acting so am now getting increasingly disillusioned with the club.
Ashton, that ship has sailed. Trust gone, failed to apologise and no doubt trying to save his skin.
So I sit and wait but won't be attending Portman Rd til he's gone.
Chatted to a poster on here (knows he is) and he shared his Dad's position. A man I know a bit but respect immensely.
And Newky says he can't bring his kids to a game.
Rommy talks of courage and yep, I agree.
My partner (or sorts) is Eastern European. How can I look her in the face and say am happy to watch a team with the current management (Ashton) in place...
I can't, and I won't. Away days for me until he's gone. |  |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 09:13 - Mar 31 with 313 views | Wright1 |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 10:11 - Mar 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I can’t find anything about political parties in our published written policies (I could be missing it), so I think the OP is right that at least we’ll now have a formalised position. It sounds trivial, but a written policy could have been used to start a formal process against Aston. Without that, it just comes down to the discretion of the owners and opens up a possible issue of an unfair dismissal claim should be be sacked. |
He's brought the company in to disrepute - that is a sackable offence anywhere i've ever worked. | | | |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 09:16 - Mar 31 with 301 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 09:08 - Mar 31 by bluelagos |
I don't see the club acting so am now getting increasingly disillusioned with the club.
Ashton, that ship has sailed. Trust gone, failed to apologise and no doubt trying to save his skin.
So I sit and wait but won't be attending Portman Rd til he's gone.
Chatted to a poster on here (knows he is) and he shared his Dad's position. A man I know a bit but respect immensely.
And Newky says he can't bring his kids to a game.
Rommy talks of courage and yep, I agree.
My partner (or sorts) is Eastern European. How can I look her in the face and say am happy to watch a team with the current management (Ashton) in place...
I can't, and I won't. Away days for me until he's gone. |
Sadly for you, I don’t see the Club doing anything at all from here. The video was their line drawn.
Genuine curiosity again - why are aways any different to homes? | |
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| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 09:17 - Mar 31 with 300 views | bluebud |
| Time to Move On (at your own pace) on 10:41 - Mar 28 by Chris_ITFC |
In reality, this is far bigger for us than anyone else. Sure, there will be plenty who’ve noticed it, but it’s hardly been national headline news.
I don’t see it being 3000 vociferously singing it week in, week out, and if anything, many without skin in the game will just see it as harmless gallows humour. That’s football for you. |
I'm sorry. I've read all your posts. I think you are delusional and definitely not as clever as you think you are. He deserves more than you think he'll receive. He's lied to all our faces and you think, cool, let's forgive him....it's fans like you that led to ME staying for so long
A lot of people are really hurting including employees, players , locals and fans.
Fashton gave us a politicians apology and you think that's alright and encouraging us all to rally behind him. He is guilty and sent our clubs reputation down the pisser.
He's a total scumbag and he doesn't give a toss about us or as far as I'm concerned our club anymore but you think we're best served just rallying round and saying nothing.
If you actually had a look around elsewhere then you'd realise that this news has been very widespread and this is going to stick....r/championship has millions of impressions (on Reddit just in case)
There's a high chance we'll get pelters off every set of fans this season and this could affect the team who may be annoyed about it all already, this could affect our season but you want us to fanboy fashton regardless - for no reason as he DIDN'T APOLOGISE.
You think you can pull fans together? No you can't and you shouldn't as all you are doing is fashtons oily work.
By all means support the team as usual, forgive people who have shat on you and the strip but don't try and kumbaya everyone else into it.
Screw promotion - until he goes I just can't feel the same as I used to and I'm not going to pretend. |  | | |
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