| Blue Monday Podcast 20:56 - Mar 29 with 6586 views | andyblue231 |
(Which I absolutely love).
General feeling seems to be a willingness to move on. Though with real frustration over the way it’s been handled. Certainly seemed to be the thrust of most of the commenters in the chat.
Finding it hard to forgive and forget without more contrition from Ashton but I may be on the wrong side of the public mood.
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 21:07 - Mar 29 with 3853 views | J2BLUE |
What do you expect them to do?
Personally, I think Ashton will go in the summer. Until then we would just be damaging our own club. |  |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 21:10 - Mar 29 with 3821 views | HampBlue |
Felt the guys handled it brilliantly. Gave opinions which I think the majority are probably aligned too. it was great discussion that’s not filled with completely polarised takes one way or the other
For some people their political views make any engagement with that party/individual unforgivable & they’ll never move forward unless Ashton moves on, and if that’s the case, fair enough.
But as a fanbase, turning up at 3pm on a Saturday - We need to put this to once side or risk dragging this on, dividing the fanbase further. | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 21:12 - Mar 29 with 3803 views | andyblue231 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 21:07 - Mar 29 by J2BLUE |
What do you expect them to do?
Personally, I think Ashton will go in the summer. Until then we would just be damaging our own club. |
Personally I think being told by the club that protesting is damaging the club and we need to get behind the boys is a bit of an emotional blackmail move.
It’s what a lot of institutions say when they do something wrong.
We have the right to hold them to account without being thought of as traitors.
But as I say, if that’s the will then so be it. Get promoted and maybe we’ll see a more welcoming and collegiate MA in the future. [Post edited 30 Mar 3:15]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 21:24 - Mar 29 with 3728 views | itfc1108 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 21:07 - Mar 29 by J2BLUE |
What do you expect them to do?
Personally, I think Ashton will go in the summer. Until then we would just be damaging our own club. |
Does Ashton have the type of job, where people are put on gardening leave for something like this, before dismissal/ mutual consent?
I don't really understand that process. [Post edited 29 Mar 21:25]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 21:57 - Mar 29 with 3536 views | andyblue231 |
At the very least I’d love this to be a wake up call to break up the CEO / Chairman roles. I don’t trust this guy to run the ship without oversight. | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:11 - Mar 29 with 3474 views | grow_our_own |
BM spent an hour running through the timeline of last week, yet couldn't find time to mention the gifting of shirts nor Ashton's lunch. Soft-balled these central facts / accusations. [Post edited 29 Mar 22:19]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:17 - Mar 29 with 3439 views | andyblue231 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:11 - Mar 29 by grow_our_own |
BM spent an hour running through the timeline of last week, yet couldn't find time to mention the gifting of shirts nor Ashton's lunch. Soft-balled these central facts / accusations. [Post edited 29 Mar 22:19]
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Yeah I tend to agree. But I can see it’s a tricky position to be in and as I say I love the show generally [Post edited 30 Mar 3:17]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:18 - Mar 29 with 3429 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 21:24 - Mar 29 by itfc1108 |
Does Ashton have the type of job, where people are put on gardening leave for something like this, before dismissal/ mutual consent?
I don't really understand that process. [Post edited 29 Mar 21:25]
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Gardening leave is usually agreed when the business wants the employee to be prevented from joining a competitive business, so they agree to pay the individual for the duration of their contracted/notice period (could be as much as 12 months with this type of role), but don’t work (for anyone) during that time. | | | |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:31 - Mar 29 with 3354 views | unbelievablue |
Found it a bit galling they BBC-ed it to the point on not even naming Nigel Farage. |  |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 23:01 - Mar 29 with 3241 views | itfc1108 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:18 - Mar 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Gardening leave is usually agreed when the business wants the employee to be prevented from joining a competitive business, so they agree to pay the individual for the duration of their contracted/notice period (could be as much as 12 months with this type of role), but don’t work (for anyone) during that time. |
Right, thanks for explaining. I'd just heard the term before and thought it was something to do with disciplinary reasons . Cheers. | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 23:20 - Mar 29 with 3170 views | bsw72 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:18 - Mar 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Gardening leave is usually agreed when the business wants the employee to be prevented from joining a competitive business, so they agree to pay the individual for the duration of their contracted/notice period (could be as much as 12 months with this type of role), but don’t work (for anyone) during that time. |
Well, yes and no. If you are referring to where a company does not want you joining a competitor then that is down to a non compete clause, usually for 12 months so that the individual can’t take clients with them at the next renewal of contract, quite often senior brokers in insurance have this. This does not necessarily involve being kept on the salary or benefits though.
Gardening leave is when an individual working through their notice period and remains on salary and benefits but the company does not necessarily want you onsite but can contact you if required. This is more common where you don’t have clients but do perform a function which give you access to systems or data. Usually I have seen this where a company is unsure of the impact of someone leaving in a non client facing role and so they retain the option to call on them while not exposing the company to risk.
They are similar approaches but fundamentally different.
I don’t have a non compete clause but have a 6 month notice period which protects me and the company should I leave or they want to can me, however it will vary by geography as in the US notice periods are generally 2 weeks hence the need for a non compete clause. |  | | |
| They are too worried Ashton will restrict their access. on 23:22 - Mar 29 with 3155 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Suspect they have been warned. |  |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 23:23 - Mar 29 with 3148 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:11 - Mar 29 by grow_our_own |
BM spent an hour running through the timeline of last week, yet couldn't find time to mention the gifting of shirts nor Ashton's lunch. Soft-balled these central facts / accusations. [Post edited 29 Mar 22:19]
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Thats sad, as I like the guys, and they do usually have strong views.
Sounds like they bottled it. | |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 23:32 - Mar 29 with 3080 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:11 - Mar 29 by grow_our_own |
BM spent an hour running through the timeline of last week, yet couldn't find time to mention the gifting of shirts nor Ashton's lunch. Soft-balled these central facts / accusations. [Post edited 29 Mar 22:19]
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Ben Bloom can't get through a single video without mentioning 50 times that everyone is entitled to their opinion even when its not about politicians so I wasn't really expecting him to put out a meaningful video on this. |  |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 00:41 - Mar 30 with 2940 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 23:20 - Mar 29 by bsw72 |
Well, yes and no. If you are referring to where a company does not want you joining a competitor then that is down to a non compete clause, usually for 12 months so that the individual can’t take clients with them at the next renewal of contract, quite often senior brokers in insurance have this. This does not necessarily involve being kept on the salary or benefits though.
Gardening leave is when an individual working through their notice period and remains on salary and benefits but the company does not necessarily want you onsite but can contact you if required. This is more common where you don’t have clients but do perform a function which give you access to systems or data. Usually I have seen this where a company is unsure of the impact of someone leaving in a non client facing role and so they retain the option to call on them while not exposing the company to risk.
They are similar approaches but fundamentally different.
I don’t have a non compete clause but have a 6 month notice period which protects me and the company should I leave or they want to can me, however it will vary by geography as in the US notice periods are generally 2 weeks hence the need for a non compete clause. |
Agreed, but I was trying to keep it simple, and I’d argue that they are pretty much the same, as it’s not just where non-compete clauses are involved. It’s more about protecting your business and/or IP in general. I do think we’re saying pretty much the same thing, but in a slightly different way tbh.
Whether it’s a senior executive with access to sensitive company information or an engineering position where they have knowledge/experience that you might not want to go elsewhere whilst it’s current, this can be protected by having contractually long notice periods. For all sensitive positions where I currently work the minimum notice period is 3 months, and can be up to 12 months.
In these positions it’s often too risky to have them continue working their notice period (for a whole variety of reasons). By putting someone on gardening leave, they are still tied to their contract of employment, so confidentiality is preserved. Plus many months of gardening leave detaches the employee from gaining further knowledge of the business during the gardening leave, mitigating any impact in taking their experience and knowledge elsewhere too soon.
This is very common in hi tech industries.
Another use is when you need to negotiate a complex termination agreement, which may often take months, but you don’t want the employee actively involved with the business. This would be the most likely scenario with the Town situation imo, if gardening leave was needed for a departing senior executive. [Post edited 30 Mar 0:43]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 02:12 - Mar 30 with 2854 views | Vaughan8 |
I'm surprised if true.
I believe that "itfcjoe" is on there and he made a thread saying "Ashton time to go." | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 02:28 - Mar 30 with 2838 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 23:32 - Mar 29 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Ben Bloom can't get through a single video without mentioning 50 times that everyone is entitled to their opinion even when its not about politicians so I wasn't really expecting him to put out a meaningful video on this. |
Agreed, I used to like him but find him quite tiresome these days, his ego seems to have gone through the roof. So thin skinned too spends most of his time whining about comments he doesn't like. |  |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 05:20 - Mar 30 with 2671 views | nrb1985 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 23:32 - Mar 29 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Ben Bloom can't get through a single video without mentioning 50 times that everyone is entitled to their opinion even when its not about politicians so I wasn't really expecting him to put out a meaningful video on this. |
Based on his performance last night I assume they’ve moved to a model whereby he gets paid by the word. Talk about waffle honestly.
At least Mark Heath and the EADT seem prepared to ask the difficult questions. | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 05:30 - Mar 30 with 2667 views | nrb1985 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 02:12 - Mar 30 by Vaughan8 |
I'm surprised if true.
I believe that "itfcjoe" is on there and he made a thread saying "Ashton time to go." |
Rich did okish but Ben completely bottled it and said about ten thousand words a sentence without actually saying anything. Very bombastic to say the least.
I didn’t listen past halfway as the direction of travel was clear.
Was poorer for not having Joe on given he’d flown the flag earlier this week and nailed his colours. | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 06:43 - Mar 30 with 2580 views | lurcher |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 22:18 - Mar 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Gardening leave is usually agreed when the business wants the employee to be prevented from joining a competitive business, so they agree to pay the individual for the duration of their contracted/notice period (could be as much as 12 months with this type of role), but don’t work (for anyone) during that time. |
Or to keep them out of an office whilst an investigation takes place. |  | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 07:10 - Mar 30 with 2538 views | PMac13 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 05:30 - Mar 30 by nrb1985 |
Rich did okish but Ben completely bottled it and said about ten thousand words a sentence without actually saying anything. Very bombastic to say the least.
I didn’t listen past halfway as the direction of travel was clear.
Was poorer for not having Joe on given he’d flown the flag earlier this week and nailed his colours. |
Yep, agree totally on this. It needed Joe on there really, love BM but as others have said they played it too safe and you got the sense that they weren’t actually saying what they really thought. Needed Joe and his passion to open it up… |  | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 08:18 - Mar 30 with 2386 views | nrb1985 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 07:10 - Mar 30 by PMac13 |
Yep, agree totally on this. It needed Joe on there really, love BM but as others have said they played it too safe and you got the sense that they weren’t actually saying what they really thought. Needed Joe and his passion to open it up… |
Agree - was a real cop out I thought, especially as Mark Heath and the EADT had done the heavy lifting for them already. Really disappointing from our main “fan channel”, it was ludicrously transparent that they didn’t want to upset the club.
I switched off when Rich said words to the effect of - “it’s important to remember Mark Ashton hasn’t done anything illegal”
Ridiculous. | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 08:21 - Mar 30 with 2366 views | budgiebasher |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 08:18 - Mar 30 by nrb1985 |
Agree - was a real cop out I thought, especially as Mark Heath and the EADT had done the heavy lifting for them already. Really disappointing from our main “fan channel”, it was ludicrously transparent that they didn’t want to upset the club.
I switched off when Rich said words to the effect of - “it’s important to remember Mark Ashton hasn’t done anything illegal”
Ridiculous. |
Agreed. I’d rather they hadn’t covered it all rather than having done so in such limp, censored way. They said a whole lot of nothing. |  |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 08:30 - Mar 30 with 2307 views | SmithersJones |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 06:43 - Mar 30 by lurcher |
Or to keep them out of an office whilst an investigation takes place. |
No, that’s not garden leave, that’s suspension (which, unlike in football, is not a disciplinary sanction). Garden leave is almost always a precursor to the person leaving, so would be seen as prejudicial in an investigation. | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 08:35 - Mar 30 with 2288 views | MrPotatoHead |
I just tried to watch 5 minutes but the sense of self importance was nauseating from both.
David & Joe are the only 2 I can listen to on there. |  | | |
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