| Azon and more…. 08:56 - Apr 29 with 2589 views | klg199 |
Sorry if already posted but great persistence by Ivan for the assist on our first and taking one for the team when pulling back their player when he knew he was going to be subbed was very smart.
Thought their number 9 was a handful. Canadian player apparently.
QPR at home, on paper the easiest game of the run in. We can’t screw it up Shirley, but I’ve always had a nagging feeling we end up playing Wrexham in the play offs and end up being the bad guys in the media circus and Disney documentary. Hopefully not. COYB. |  | | |  |
| Azon and more…. on 08:58 - Apr 29 with 2000 views | bradforblues |
Agree. I thought Azon had his best game to date. Win a lot in the air and created the first goal out of nothing | |
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| Azon and more…. on 08:59 - Apr 29 with 1979 views | JakeITFC |
Azon was great last night and much better in open play than their number 9 but he took his goal absolutely brilliantly and that probably sums up our conundrum in the forward position quite well. |  | | |
| Azon and more…. on 09:00 - Apr 29 with 1958 views | waveneyblue |
Azon is nowhere near as bad as some will want you to believe.
Theres a player in there 100% |  | | |
| Azon and more…. on 09:01 - Apr 29 with 1936 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Azon and more…. on 09:00 - Apr 29 by waveneyblue |
Azon is nowhere near as bad as some will want you to believe.
Theres a player in there 100% |
Its not about what people believe. Hes shot conversion is 6%.
I like him tho. Not sure what level of football he will end up playing long term though. |  |
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| Azon and more…. on 09:02 - Apr 29 with 1935 views | farkenhell |
He also created a chance for himself early in the first half by winning a ball that he had no right to win (similar to the assist for Burns). The finish wasn't great, although that has been covered on multiple other threads. | | | |
| Azon and more…. on 09:33 - Apr 29 with 1803 views | waveneyblue |
| Azon and more…. on 09:01 - Apr 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Its not about what people believe. Hes shot conversion is 6%.
I like him tho. Not sure what level of football he will end up playing long term though. |
and its all about shot conversion isn't it -
The only thing to judge a player on.
Forgive me if I don't take your opinion too seriously (after last nights Frimley masterclass) | | | |
| Azon and more…. on 09:36 - Apr 29 with 1791 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Azon and more…. on 09:33 - Apr 29 by waveneyblue |
and its all about shot conversion isn't it -
The only thing to judge a player on.
Forgive me if I don't take your opinion too seriously (after last nights Frimley masterclass) |
Youre the one talking about what people believe
The vast majority of comments about azon is agreement about his overall play but his finishing is poor which is confirmed by his shot conversion rate.
So what is is you disagree with exactly? | |
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| Azon and more…. on 11:03 - Apr 29 with 1634 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Azon and more…. on 09:36 - Apr 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Youre the one talking about what people believe
The vast majority of comments about azon is agreement about his overall play but his finishing is poor which is confirmed by his shot conversion rate.
So what is is you disagree with exactly? |
Any update Waveney? You poke about the forum pretending to engage but never continue with a discussion once you've had your pop.
So i'll ask again, 99% of the forum likes Azon, his overall play has improved greatly, he puts himself a bout, wins headers that you don't think he deserves to win. But the thing that holds him back is his shooting and the stats back that up showing his 6% conversion rate.
So what do you disagree with about people's thoughts on Azon? | |
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| Azon and more…. on 11:07 - Apr 29 with 1605 views | Herbivore |
It was excellent work from Azon for the goal, top drawer stuff. And a nice improvised ball from Greaves when not much was on which led to it.
Azon overall was really good last night, worked so hard and won more than his fair share of aerial duels. There's loads to like about him but as a striker who can't finish he's always going to have a ceiling. If he can improve that part of his game he's going to be some player but that's a big if. |  |
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| Azon and more…. on 11:08 - Apr 29 with 1607 views | Zx1988 |
| Azon and more…. on 09:01 - Apr 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Its not about what people believe. Hes shot conversion is 6%.
I like him tho. Not sure what level of football he will end up playing long term though. |
If we can get him from Como for a decent fee, I wouldn't be averse to him staying, and seeing what McKenna can do with him. I can't imagine there's been all too much time for 'improvement-based' training in recent months, with our schedule.
If we think there's a player in there, Como will probably think the same though. | |
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| Azon and more…. on 11:12 - Apr 29 with 1585 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Azon and more…. on 11:08 - Apr 29 by Zx1988 |
If we can get him from Como for a decent fee, I wouldn't be averse to him staying, and seeing what McKenna can do with him. I can't imagine there's been all too much time for 'improvement-based' training in recent months, with our schedule.
If we think there's a player in there, Como will probably think the same though. |
Has there been any historic cases of well known strikers who started off with actual scoring problems but then went on to be absolutely fine?
I've also seen it that with strikers there has to be that natural instinct with finishing, you kinda see it with Egeli in how he's gone about the goals he has scored, but with Azon I think the cleanest strike from memory was the one when he cut in and put it bottom corner | |
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| Azon and more…. on 11:14 - Apr 29 with 1574 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Azon and more…. on 11:12 - Apr 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Has there been any historic cases of well known strikers who started off with actual scoring problems but then went on to be absolutely fine?
I've also seen it that with strikers there has to be that natural instinct with finishing, you kinda see it with Egeli in how he's gone about the goals he has scored, but with Azon I think the cleanest strike from memory was the one when he cut in and put it bottom corner |
Daryl Murphy? | | | |
| Azon and more…. on 11:29 - Apr 29 with 1506 views | Pilgrimblue |
| Azon and more…. on 11:12 - Apr 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Has there been any historic cases of well known strikers who started off with actual scoring problems but then went on to be absolutely fine?
I've also seen it that with strikers there has to be that natural instinct with finishing, you kinda see it with Egeli in how he's gone about the goals he has scored, but with Azon I think the cleanest strike from memory was the one when he cut in and put it bottom corner |
Last player I can think of was Murphy who started very low in goals but played out wide and then moved inside to be one our best. |  | | |
| Azon and more…. on 11:35 - Apr 29 with 1451 views | itfc1108 |
| Azon and more…. on 11:12 - Apr 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Has there been any historic cases of well known strikers who started off with actual scoring problems but then went on to be absolutely fine?
I've also seen it that with strikers there has to be that natural instinct with finishing, you kinda see it with Egeli in how he's gone about the goals he has scored, but with Azon I think the cleanest strike from memory was the one when he cut in and put it bottom corner |
Maybe Jon Walters. | | | |
| Azon and more…. on 11:52 - Apr 29 with 1393 views | farkenhell |
| Azon and more…. on 11:12 - Apr 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Has there been any historic cases of well known strikers who started off with actual scoring problems but then went on to be absolutely fine?
I've also seen it that with strikers there has to be that natural instinct with finishing, you kinda see it with Egeli in how he's gone about the goals he has scored, but with Azon I think the cleanest strike from memory was the one when he cut in and put it bottom corner |
Thierry Henry started out as a winger and history might be playing tricks on me, but wasn't he fairly underwhelming for Arsenal until they changed him to a centre forward? His career wasn't too shabby after that.
From what I've seen of him, Azon has a decent striker's instinct in terms of his anticipation and movement (as well as his workrate and linkup play, which is so important in McKenna's system). It's just the final shot that has been lacking somewhat. Concentration, body posture, being able to relax under pressure and the final execution can definitely improve with top class coaching. As well as having the confidence to forget and go again when you miss. Remember that he's only 23 and at the beginning of his career. I've seen enough this season to suggest that we would be foolish to write him off. If he goes elsewhere, I wouldn't be surprised that he'll have a decent career and we'll live to regret it. | | | |
| Azon and more…. on 11:54 - Apr 29 with 1374 views | SaleAway |
| Azon and more…. on 11:52 - Apr 29 by farkenhell |
Thierry Henry started out as a winger and history might be playing tricks on me, but wasn't he fairly underwhelming for Arsenal until they changed him to a centre forward? His career wasn't too shabby after that.
From what I've seen of him, Azon has a decent striker's instinct in terms of his anticipation and movement (as well as his workrate and linkup play, which is so important in McKenna's system). It's just the final shot that has been lacking somewhat. Concentration, body posture, being able to relax under pressure and the final execution can definitely improve with top class coaching. As well as having the confidence to forget and go again when you miss. Remember that he's only 23 and at the beginning of his career. I've seen enough this season to suggest that we would be foolish to write him off. If he goes elsewhere, I wouldn't be surprised that he'll have a decent career and we'll live to regret it. |
Can we get Terry Connor back for a spell to work with the strikers? I seem to remember everyone singing his praises as a finishing coach, when he was here with MickMc. | |
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| Azon and more…. on 11:56 - Apr 29 with 1360 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Azon and more…. on 11:54 - Apr 29 by SaleAway |
Can we get Terry Connor back for a spell to work with the strikers? I seem to remember everyone singing his praises as a finishing coach, when he was here with MickMc. |
Who do we currently have? think last year didn't we have Grant? which I still found odd as he was a keeper. | |
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| Azon and more…. on 12:12 - Apr 29 with 1298 views | FrimleyBlue |
Yeah not a bad shout, although he kinda had that one season didn't he, more than ending up prolific overall | |
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| Azon and more…. on 13:44 - Apr 29 with 1117 views | Vaughan8 |
| Azon and more…. on 09:00 - Apr 29 by waveneyblue |
Azon is nowhere near as bad as some will want you to believe.
Theres a player in there 100% |
He's also nowhere near as good as some say.
"if he improves his scoring he'll be some player". I don't think so. He'd have to start scoring like Harry Kane to become "some player".
He just doesn't naturally seem to be a goal scorer which unfortunately is a massive problem for a striker.
People talk about him like he's young.....he's 23. A few more years and he'll be in his "peak.
Yes there are some late bloomers but there isn't that many.
EDIT: Though some people though that John-Jules guy was good........ [Post edited 29 Apr 13:45]
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| Azon and more…. on 13:53 - Apr 29 with 1055 views | Herbivore |
| Azon and more…. on 11:12 - Apr 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Has there been any historic cases of well known strikers who started off with actual scoring problems but then went on to be absolutely fine?
I've also seen it that with strikers there has to be that natural instinct with finishing, you kinda see it with Egeli in how he's gone about the goals he has scored, but with Azon I think the cleanest strike from memory was the one when he cut in and put it bottom corner |
At the same age, Pablo had barely registered any goals for anyone. While he never went on to be hugely prolific, he had several very productive seasons in terms of goals scored. | |
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| Azon and more…. on 13:54 - Apr 29 with 1050 views | farkenhell |
| Azon and more…. on 13:44 - Apr 29 by Vaughan8 |
He's also nowhere near as good as some say.
"if he improves his scoring he'll be some player". I don't think so. He'd have to start scoring like Harry Kane to become "some player".
He just doesn't naturally seem to be a goal scorer which unfortunately is a massive problem for a striker.
People talk about him like he's young.....he's 23. A few more years and he'll be in his "peak.
Yes there are some late bloomers but there isn't that many.
EDIT: Though some people though that John-Jules guy was good........ [Post edited 29 Apr 13:45]
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23 is a baby at both ends of the pitch. Centre forwards normally hit their peak at 27/28. Nobody's saying that he doesn't need to improve his finishing but there are other aspects to his game that are really good. He's also improved massively as this season has gone on. | | | |
| Azon and more…. on 13:55 - Apr 29 with 1041 views | Vaughan8 |
| Azon and more…. on 13:54 - Apr 29 by farkenhell |
23 is a baby at both ends of the pitch. Centre forwards normally hit their peak at 27/28. Nobody's saying that he doesn't need to improve his finishing but there are other aspects to his game that are really good. He's also improved massively as this season has gone on. |
Some people are suggesting he can do a job in the premier League. Come on...!
He's ultimately not good enough. I'd even say he'd not be first choice in a lot, if not all, the top half teams in the league.
Great assist yesterday btw and he's certainly improved throughout the season. I just think he's not going to be good enough for where we want to be. [Post edited 29 Apr 13:56]
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| Azon and more…. on 13:57 - Apr 29 with 1012 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Azon and more…. on 13:55 - Apr 29 by Vaughan8 |
Some people are suggesting he can do a job in the premier League. Come on...!
He's ultimately not good enough. I'd even say he'd not be first choice in a lot, if not all, the top half teams in the league.
Great assist yesterday btw and he's certainly improved throughout the season. I just think he's not going to be good enough for where we want to be. [Post edited 29 Apr 13:56]
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If we went up and he was our 2nd choice striker I think I would be smashing my head off a wall. Have to revamp that striker room completely. |  |
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| Azon and more…. on 14:00 - Apr 29 with 980 views | Vaughan8 |
| Azon and more…. on 13:57 - Apr 29 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
If we went up and he was our 2nd choice striker I think I would be smashing my head off a wall. Have to revamp that striker room completely. |
You mean like Al-Hamadi was for a large part of 24-25 season? **Shudder** | | | |
| Azon and more…. on 14:09 - Apr 29 with 936 views | farkenhell |
| Azon and more…. on 13:55 - Apr 29 by Vaughan8 |
Some people are suggesting he can do a job in the premier League. Come on...!
He's ultimately not good enough. I'd even say he'd not be first choice in a lot, if not all, the top half teams in the league.
Great assist yesterday btw and he's certainly improved throughout the season. I just think he's not going to be good enough for where we want to be. [Post edited 29 Apr 13:56]
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I don't wish to sound rude, but I'm only really interested in whether or not he can do a job for Ipswich and what McKenna expects of his players, so to that extent, it's not really relevant imo whether or how he might fit into other teams.
He has the speed of thought and clever movement that would do well in the Premier League. He's also stronger and more athletic than he looks. His finishing is nowhere near top level, but I think that can be improved as I said in an earlier post. I think he'd be useful to retain as a squad/backup forward in the PL, particularly as he has now had the benefit of settling into the country, area and club for 12 months. He's still relatively inexperienced and I think he will only improve with age.
I read that Cesc Fabrigas rates him, so that'll do for me! | | | |
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