| Polanski on 19:56 - May 1 with 748 views | positivity |
| Polanski on 19:08 - May 1 by redrickstuhaart |
Interesting take. Unlike certain others I could mention, he did it instantly and in a way which was actually taking responsibility and apologetic. |
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| Polanski on 19:56 - May 1 with 748 views | DJR |
| Polanski on 19:10 - May 1 by Swansea_Blue |
He’s the only leader who acknowledges the current financial model adopted by all western nations is failing us and leading to greater inequality. So he represents the only real case for change. He’s an advocate of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)*, so the polar opposite of Chancellors like Osborne and Reeves with their austerity and fiscal rules that have retarded growth and hammered public services resulting in shed loads of bad stuff we complain about all the time (from bin collections, to lack of school funding, NHS waiting lists, no access to GPs/dentists, potholes, etc.).
He does need to get a handle on the antisemitism cases within his party though, as that could sink him just as he’s getting started. He’s also got to translate the relatively easy populist language and left-leaning economic arguments (e.g. nationalisation) he uses into something acceptable to the mainstream. Despite the fact that privatisation and the current economic model has failed most of us (unless you’re a multi-millionaire/billionaire) I doubt the public are ready, even though it’s perfectly normal in other European countries who have better services.
*MMT does accurately describe how money is created and removed through taxation, but whether the institutions of the financial system are ready to acknowledge that and change is another matter entirely. |
To be fair, the Green Party does seem to have taken prompt action to disown candidates, and Polanski was honest enough to admit he had confidence in 99% of his candidates, presumably on the basis that the party doesn't have the resources to trawl through social media history.
And don't forget that the current furore around Polanski (when it is antisemitism which is the issue) is only likely to make him an even greater target for antisemites than he already is.
Putting it another way, it is not in his personal interest to tolerate antisemites.
EDIT: This from the Independent.
The flag waving and Nazi salutes came as Mr Polanski addressed the double stabbing in Golders Green on Wednesday, which he described as "horrific".
While speaking about his broader vision for the Green Party, he said: "It is a politics that rejects anti-semitism and the horrific events of yesterday. It's a politics which recognises we stand with our Jewish communities as we stand with our Muslim communities and our non-faith communities. When they come for one of us, I say this as a Jewish man, they come for all of us, and we will stand together and we will not be divided."
A Green Party spokesperson told The Independent: “The Green Party is appalled that our leader, Zack Polanski, was harassed by a group of agitators who performed Nazi salutes. Zack is the only Jewish leader of a political party in this country, and he faces this kind of antisemitic abuse far too often.
"The Green Party stands firmly against antisemitism and in solidarity with Jewish communities. In the wake of the horrific attacks in Golders Green, we are clear that Jewish people must be protected." [Post edited 1 May 20:27]
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| Polanski on 20:03 - May 1 with 717 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Polanski on 19:01 - May 1 by lazyblue |
Unfortunately the youth of today probably would , that would be a car crash of epic proportions. |
Yeah, they have purity of principles and haven’t realised yet that they need to be selfish and feck everyone else. That can be exploited of course. |  |
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| Polanski on 20:07 - May 1 with 698 views | Camul123 |
| Polanski on 18:58 - May 1 by gtsb1966 |
He only apologised because he backed something stupid and realised the British public back the police actions in this case. As for Nige...he's a ****. Next. |
Who are you voting for?
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| Polanski on 20:11 - May 1 with 682 views | DarkBrandon |
| Polanski on 19:32 - May 1 by homer_123 |
Show me a party that appeals to every voters or where a policy doesn't negativly impact a cohort of the population. |
I see you don’t try and justify their terrible policy |  | | |
| Polanski on 20:22 - May 1 with 648 views | urbanpenguin |
| Polanski on 18:39 - May 1 by BluePG |
For anyone saying “Yes”, can I ask why? |
Firstly, in this nation we do not vote for a leader, we vote for a local MP and party. Secondly, the elections tomorrow are not for a leader or an MP, but for local councillors. So I am not even sure I understand the question. |  | | |
| Polanski on 20:28 - May 1 with 619 views | StokieBlue |
| Polanski on 19:21 - May 1 by DarkBrandon |
Subsidies of fossil fuels to the consumer at vast expense, with the effect of increasing demand during a supply crisis, and causing likely food shortages in the developing world?
Those policies? |
You need to be clearer here because it's not really clear what you're saying.
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| Polanski on 20:53 - May 1 with 541 views | gtsb1966 |
All you lot sticking up for him. He was obviously having a go at the police . Imagine tackling a terrorist and asking him nicely to give himself up. If they had to put the boot in then who gives a ****. He only apologised because he knew most of the country wouldn't agree with him. Thank god he'll never be in charge. |  | | |
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| Polanski on 20:55 - May 1 with 526 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Polanski on 19:22 - May 1 by DJR |
These are council elections, so one is voting for the local candidate and the local council.
As it is, I voted Green at the last general election and in last year's council elections, in part because I know those involved with the Green Party well, in part because of disillusionment with Labour and in part because where I live it has in recent years usurped Labour as the main left wing opposition to the Tories.
I might add that I voted for its predecessor, the Ecology Party, in 1980 in Leeds when it appeared from the ballot paper that there was no Labour candidate.
I don't, however, see a scenario in which the Greens ever get more than 20% of the vote nationally, which means that they would be likely to win seats mainly in urban areas, and thus be unlikely ever to win much more than 40 or 50 MPa. [Post edited 1 May 19:40]
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Not over here, it’s our main national parliamentary election ;) | |
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| Polanski on 21:02 - May 1 with 475 views | StokieBlue |
| Polanski on 20:53 - May 1 by gtsb1966 |
All you lot sticking up for him. He was obviously having a go at the police . Imagine tackling a terrorist and asking him nicely to give himself up. If they had to put the boot in then who gives a ****. He only apologised because he knew most of the country wouldn't agree with him. Thank god he'll never be in charge. |
You're ignoring what people are saying. People have pointed out we don't vote for a leader we vote for a party and the policies of that party.
You're not debating, you just want to rant at people.
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| Polanski on 21:02 - May 1 with 473 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Polanski on 19:56 - May 1 by DJR |
To be fair, the Green Party does seem to have taken prompt action to disown candidates, and Polanski was honest enough to admit he had confidence in 99% of his candidates, presumably on the basis that the party doesn't have the resources to trawl through social media history.
And don't forget that the current furore around Polanski (when it is antisemitism which is the issue) is only likely to make him an even greater target for antisemites than he already is.
Putting it another way, it is not in his personal interest to tolerate antisemites.
EDIT: This from the Independent.
The flag waving and Nazi salutes came as Mr Polanski addressed the double stabbing in Golders Green on Wednesday, which he described as "horrific".
While speaking about his broader vision for the Green Party, he said: "It is a politics that rejects anti-semitism and the horrific events of yesterday. It's a politics which recognises we stand with our Jewish communities as we stand with our Muslim communities and our non-faith communities. When they come for one of us, I say this as a Jewish man, they come for all of us, and we will stand together and we will not be divided."
A Green Party spokesperson told The Independent: “The Green Party is appalled that our leader, Zack Polanski, was harassed by a group of agitators who performed Nazi salutes. Zack is the only Jewish leader of a political party in this country, and he faces this kind of antisemitic abuse far too often.
"The Green Party stands firmly against antisemitism and in solidarity with Jewish communities. In the wake of the horrific attacks in Golders Green, we are clear that Jewish people must be protected." [Post edited 1 May 20:27]
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Thanks. I’ve been ignoring news as a bit of a detox as things can get too depressing, so I’d not seen his side of the argument put forward. It’s hard to argue with what he’s said there and I hope his words are backed up with actions by kicking out anyone found to have been posting antisemitic content.
I find it a shame the ‘green’ part of their party name isn’t taking centre stage; that’s the biggest issue facing all of us. Yet I’m not so naive that I don’t realise that what we need and what sells aren’t the same. It’s still a shame though. | |
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| Polanski on 21:11 - May 1 with 449 views | vapour_trail |
| Polanski on 20:53 - May 1 by gtsb1966 |
All you lot sticking up for him. He was obviously having a go at the police . Imagine tackling a terrorist and asking him nicely to give himself up. If they had to put the boot in then who gives a ****. He only apologised because he knew most of the country wouldn't agree with him. Thank god he'll never be in charge. |
‘You lot’
GTSB does definitely not have an agenda.
Prevent. |  |
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| Polanski on 21:17 - May 1 with 423 views | gtsb1966 |
| Polanski on 21:02 - May 1 by StokieBlue |
You're ignoring what people are saying. People have pointed out we don't vote for a leader we vote for a party and the policies of that party.
You're not debating, you just want to rant at people.
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He's the leader. How many of his party have condemned his endorsement. [Post edited 1 May 21:22]
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| Polanski on 21:22 - May 1 with 396 views | DJR |
| Polanski on 21:17 - May 1 by gtsb1966 |
He's the leader. How many of his party have condemned his endorsement. [Post edited 1 May 21:22]
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| Polanski on 21:23 - May 1 with 388 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Polanski on 21:17 - May 1 by gtsb1966 |
He's the leader. How many of his party have condemned his endorsement. [Post edited 1 May 21:22]
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He has to back up his words with action, but did you miss what DJR posted above? Do you disagree with this vision and why?
“It is a politics that rejects anti-semitism and the horrific events of yesterday. It's a politics which recognises we stand with our Jewish communities as we stand with our Muslim communities and our non-faith communities. When they come for one of us, I say this as a Jewish man, they come for all of us, and we will stand together and we will not be divided." [Post edited 1 May 21:26]
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| Polanski on 21:23 - May 1 with 388 views | NthQldITFC |
| Polanski on 21:02 - May 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Thanks. I’ve been ignoring news as a bit of a detox as things can get too depressing, so I’d not seen his side of the argument put forward. It’s hard to argue with what he’s said there and I hope his words are backed up with actions by kicking out anyone found to have been posting antisemitic content.
I find it a shame the ‘green’ part of their party name isn’t taking centre stage; that’s the biggest issue facing all of us. Yet I’m not so naive that I don’t realise that what we need and what sells aren’t the same. It’s still a shame though. |
'I find it a shame the ‘green’ part of their party name isn’t taking centre stage; that’s the biggest issue facing all of us. Yet I’m not so naive that I don’t realise that what we need and what sells aren’t the same. It’s still a shame though'
That troubles me a lot too, but movement towards a Green policy set is still by far the best option for our children's futures. |  |
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| Polanski on 21:30 - May 1 with 347 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Polanski on 19:22 - May 1 by DJR |
These are council elections, so one is voting for the local candidate and the local council.
As it is, I voted Green at the last general election and in last year's council elections, in part because I know those involved with the Green Party well, in part because of disillusionment with Labour and in part because where I live it has in recent years usurped Labour as the main left wing opposition to the Tories.
I might add that I voted for its predecessor, the Ecology Party, in 1980 in Leeds when it appeared from the ballot paper that there was no Labour candidate.
I don't, however, see a scenario in which the Greens ever get more than 20% of the vote nationally, which means that they would be likely to win seats mainly in urban areas, and thus be unlikely ever to win much more than 40 or 50 MPa. [Post edited 1 May 19:40]
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Call me old fashioned but local elections used to be about fixing the roads, getting the bins emptied, better bus routes etc.
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| Polanski on 21:32 - May 1 with 348 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Polanski on 21:23 - May 1 by NthQldITFC |
'I find it a shame the ‘green’ part of their party name isn’t taking centre stage; that’s the biggest issue facing all of us. Yet I’m not so naive that I don’t realise that what we need and what sells aren’t the same. It’s still a shame though'
That troubles me a lot too, but movement towards a Green policy set is still by far the best option for our children's futures. |
Absolutely. I just don’t know how anyone can convince the majority that it’s something worth worrying about when there’s so much lobbying money floating around and people also aren’t prepared to change their habits. And then ramp that up internationally.
I think we’re screwed. We know what the problem is, year on year we get better at knowing how it will hurt us, we know what the solutions are….and then it ends. We park that and move on to the next item in the 24/7 gossip cycle or fixate on growth at any cost. | |
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| Polanski on 21:33 - May 1 with 339 views | DJR |
| Polanski on 21:02 - May 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Thanks. I’ve been ignoring news as a bit of a detox as things can get too depressing, so I’d not seen his side of the argument put forward. It’s hard to argue with what he’s said there and I hope his words are backed up with actions by kicking out anyone found to have been posting antisemitic content.
I find it a shame the ‘green’ part of their party name isn’t taking centre stage; that’s the biggest issue facing all of us. Yet I’m not so naive that I don’t realise that what we need and what sells aren’t the same. It’s still a shame though. |
The Greens have always been left wing but with the vacation of that territory by the Labour Party, they have looked to benefit.
But there is no reason to think that their next manifesto will be any less green than that in 2024.
https://greenparty.org.uk/abou
Having said that, there has been an admission that it might need to weed out unpopular policies due to increased scrutiny.
https://www.politico.eu/articl
Zack Polanski plots review to junk Greens’ unpopular policies [Post edited 1 May 21:34]
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| Polanski on 21:39 - May 1 with 317 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Polanski on 21:33 - May 1 by DJR |
The Greens have always been left wing but with the vacation of that territory by the Labour Party, they have looked to benefit.
But there is no reason to think that their next manifesto will be any less green than that in 2024.
https://greenparty.org.uk/abou
Having said that, there has been an admission that it might need to weed out unpopular policies due to increased scrutiny.
https://www.politico.eu/articl
Zack Polanski plots review to junk Greens’ unpopular policies [Post edited 1 May 21:34]
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This is what concerns me too, that to be a genuine option parties like the Greens have to remove much of what makes them interesting and different in the first place. For all the UK public’s talk of wanting change, I’ve seen little evidence they do. We’re a deeply conservative (small c) country more interested in the change of character of a political leader than proper ideological/policy changes. | |
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| Polanski on 21:40 - May 1 with 315 views | wrightsrightglove |
+1 from me. The only party leader with an ounce of moral fibre at the moment | | | |
| Polanski on 21:48 - May 1 with 283 views | wrightsrightglove |
| Polanski on 21:30 - May 1 by GlasgowBlue |
Call me old fashioned but local elections used to be about fixing the roads, getting the bins emptied, better bus routes etc.
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You’re probably a lot older than me but I can’t remember a local election where only local issues had been discussed. Every party does it as far as I can see so not sure why the greens would shoot themselves in the foot by not talking about national issues that matter to a lot of people. | | | |
| Polanski on 21:51 - May 1 with 271 views | NedPlimpton |
| Polanski on 19:01 - May 1 by lazyblue |
Unfortunately the youth of today probably would , that would be a car crash of epic proportions. |
Yeah, because the old folk voting Tory, Brexit and now likely Reform have served us brilliantly so far
Christ! |  | | |
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