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He doesn’t fit this club. Some great work by McKenna and the players over the past few weeks. Some humble interviews by all, but Ashton appears to have such a massive ego I fear he’s going to drag the club down.
People are twisting everything to fit this massive ego thing. I'm sure he does have a massive ego as all of those sort of people do but he has done a great job.
He's clearly staying as well. Not saying people should drop their opposition to him staying but if anyone is waiting for an announcement that he's gone it's not coming.
One thing that is true, is that recruitment for two seasons was very "throw it all and see what sticks".
I couldn't care less if Ashton stays, but he has to get someone in that is way more consistent with recruitment and working with McKenna. Our success wont be sustainable if we keep taking a scattershot approach to recruitment
But can't we accept from a footballing POV he has done a good job. He has apologised for the misstep. Cant we just move on? Back to football we have so much to be excited about and look forward to.
He seems to have been massively low profile since Faragegate. Allegedly there was an emergency meeting of the American owners at the time. This resulted publicly only in the lame and arrogant apology. I have assumed that he has agreed to go in the close season and hope he does.
But can't we accept from a footballing POV he has done a good job. He has apologised for the misstep. Cant we just move on? Back to football we have so much to be excited about and look forward to.
and what from his time here to date suggests that? has he really dragged the club down so far? i may well have dreamed those 3 promotions in 4 years and i'm sure you know better.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
and what from his time here to date suggests that? has he really dragged the club down so far? i may well have dreamed those 3 promotions in 4 years and i'm sure you know better.
I think the OP means from an off field point of view rather than on field. But, considering the mess he's made of recruitment since our first Championship promotion (no key striker, no support behind Matusiwa, no stand out second CM, two fine LWs but, slightly ironically, a mess in the right), I think he should be damn thankful McKenna managed to make something of it, otherwise the same could easily be said from an on field perspective as well.
I have think politics aside, you can’t doubt his success, re-energised a dormant fanbase, 3 promotions, developed PR into a stunning ground. Granted he can’t take ALL the credit for that, but he’s certainly overseen it.
There are questions around recruitment but for me the jury is still out. The profit from Hutchinson and Delap bought him a lot of credit in my opinion. In contrast Southampton missed out on autos, Leicester (well nuff said). Those are our closest peer comparisons imo.
I think the OP means from an off field point of view rather than on field. But, considering the mess he's made of recruitment since our first Championship promotion (no key striker, no support behind Matusiwa, no stand out second CM, two fine LWs but, slightly ironically, a mess in the right), I think he should be damn thankful McKenna managed to make something of it, otherwise the same could easily be said from an on field perspective as well.
How much is Ashton involved in recruitment? Genuine question.
How much is Ashton involved in recruitment? Genuine question.
As he is the head honcho, with basically no one above him, the buck stops with him. You take the glory - and he happily takes the glory - then have to accept the criticism too. If he's unhappy with the way recruitment panned out it's in his hands to change it.
I think the OP means from an off field point of view rather than on field. But, considering the mess he's made of recruitment since our first Championship promotion (no key striker, no support behind Matusiwa, no stand out second CM, two fine LWs but, slightly ironically, a mess in the right), I think he should be damn thankful McKenna managed to make something of it, otherwise the same could easily be said from an on field perspective as well.
I guess that has now shifted to Mick Court since Sept, and Will Stephenson?
As he is the head honcho, with basically no one above him, the buck stops with him. You take the glory - and he happily takes the glory - then have to accept the criticism too. If he's unhappy with the way recruitment panned out it's in his hands to change it.
Is this really the time for this? We've just done something pretty amazing and your man was a big part of it.
He seems to have been massively low profile since Faragegate. Allegedly there was an emergency meeting of the American owners at the time. This resulted publicly only in the lame and arrogant apology. I have assumed that he has agreed to go in the close season and hope he does.
It willl come down to whether the Americans think the damage to our brand outweighs the financial rewards of promotion. Is suspect the return to the PL will probably see him stay - I think it’s more likely another limp PL season with poor recruitment, would be the end for Ashton at Town.
We dont know. But people claim its all down to him because its an easy criticism, and because Bristol fans said it. Silly tbh.
I think it is deeper than that. I don't think KM and Ashton are as close as before. I know in his post QPR interview he said something that was eye catching
At 3m40 he says
"I think there are many reasons, I'm not going to go into them"
When asked 'Why has this (promotion) been the hardest'
I think it is plausible to believe that Ashton is more involved in the recruitment process based on more than anything Bristol's B team has had to say
One thing that is true, is that recruitment for two seasons was very "throw it all and see what sticks".
I couldn't care less if Ashton stays, but he has to get someone in that is way more consistent with recruitment and working with McKenna. Our success wont be sustainable if we keep taking a scattershot approach to recruitment
It is quite lazy to suggest recruitment has been bad and have used a scattershot approach. Of course it could of been better but it could of been a whole lot worse too. I believe we recruited in the Prem with it in mind that we would get relegated and would have a strong team to get us back and the first attempt. We are now back and arguably back stronger and this time around maybe our recruitment strategy will change.
I want Ashton out as I have made very clear. But that isn't because of his ego. It is his unprofessionalism, lying, and lack of a proper apology for it.
I don't mind us having a CEO or a Chairman with an ego as long as they are very good at that role. But we also need two different individuals doing those jobs.
I think the OP means from an off field point of view rather than on field. But, considering the mess he's made of recruitment since our first Championship promotion (no key striker, no support behind Matusiwa, no stand out second CM, two fine LWs but, slightly ironically, a mess in the right), I think he should be damn thankful McKenna managed to make something of it, otherwise the same could easily be said from an on field perspective as well.
McKenna gives a list to the recruitment team, players are recruited. Who does the negotiations? Not sure, but McKenna approves or veto’s, in other words the final say. Thats the process as described - in front of McKenna. If that is not broadly how it’s done, please describe it and name the sources.
We have just been promoted to the EPL. If it’s the bog cleaners that have done the transfers, they must have got something right. In fact, in four or five years they’ve clearly got more right than wrong
As CEO, Ashton along with many others, has done a great job here overall. We’ve gone from a £40m club rotting its way towards non league to where we are now. Yes, it’s Gamechanger money, KM, players and staff but MA has played his part.
Has he made mistakes? Yes. Plenty. Show me anyone who hasn't and you will be showing me somebody who has done zilch.
Do I like the bloke? Never met him and have no interest in doing so. Would I get on with him? Doubtful. Does he have an ego? Massively but maybe in that role he needs one. But people like that don't tend to be my type of people.
The owners had confidence in him. Given what they've done for this club I’ll take their judgement over wallys from Bristol or certain keyboard warriors on here.
I suspect the top of the club will be very different by August. It needs restructuring as all organisations do after a time. There will almost certainly be a new manager too so all will be very different. Let’s hope they are as competent as the current incumbents and can move the club forward.
When it comes to it, the football club is not about them. It’s about those people in Christchurch Park of all ages, the employees and for short periods, those who wear the shirt. Nobody else. Not boxers, celebs, politicians, mates. They can put Vlad the Impaler and the Teletubbies in the Directors Box. Not interested.
I want Ashton out as I have made very clear. But that isn't because of his ego. It is his unprofessionalism, lying, and lack of a proper apology for it.
I don't mind us having a CEO or a Chairman with an ego as long as they are very good at that role. But we also need two different individuals doing those jobs.
I've reached the point where I'd be content with Ashton continuing in the CEO role if someone comes in as chairman. Have someone for Ashton to report to again, rather than running the joint. I assume having Ashton do duel roles is the cheaper option, but I preferred it when O'Leary was in place - even if he was just a figurehead.
It is quite lazy to suggest recruitment has been bad and have used a scattershot approach. Of course it could of been better but it could of been a whole lot worse too. I believe we recruited in the Prem with it in mind that we would get relegated and would have a strong team to get us back and the first attempt. We are now back and arguably back stronger and this time around maybe our recruitment strategy will change.
There are players you'd expect would have had more of an impact. On the Second Tier podcast, the neutrals summed up my feelings on recruitment
6m30s - 12m10s with the biggest quote of interest being at 11m20s.
The idea they talk about is we've not had a good return on investment for the last 2 transfer seasons. We've signed some good players, but some strange business too.
This podcast team is very objective and we'll researched too, so not some gobshite kids having a go at youtube.
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