| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season 18:51 - May 13 with 3958 views | MaySixth |
I appreciate his season in the top flight last time was not good however he has just had a very good season in Italy.
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| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 23:51 - May 13 with 528 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 23:49 - May 13 by Libero |
five errors that led directly to goals, say's no.
Probably the most unconvincing professional goalkeeper I've ever seen, despite his clear natural talent and athleticism.
Makes Andy Marshall and Dean Gerken look reliable. |
Bo llocks tbh. |  |
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| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 23:52 - May 13 with 522 views | Libero |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 23:51 - May 13 by redrickstuhaart |
Bo llocks tbh. |
He was, complete and utter. |  | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 00:05 - May 14 with 489 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 23:52 - May 13 by Libero |
He was, complete and utter. |
Excellent reasoned argument as usual. | |
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| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 02:51 - May 14 with 443 views | Ryorry |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 22:49 - May 13 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I’m not even sure what they’re referring to by “XPG”. Maybe xG - but that’s a team rating, not individual players.
I did compared the PPG for Palmer and Muric way back, and it was something like 0.83 for Muric and 0.5 for Palmer.
Footballcritic had Muric rated as joint 9th best ‘keeper for that PL season. Just ahead of Pickford, and equal to Kelleher.
3 ‘keepers made 5 mistakes leading to goals. One was Robert Sánchez, who also had 4 mistakes leading to chances. Muric had none, which goes to show he was also unfortunate in that all 5 mistakes he made resulted in a goal. Admittedly Sánchez played 13 more games, but it does illustrate the point.
There are plenty of stats that support the view that Muric wasn’t as terrible as many make out. No denying he messed up big time on a few occasions, but people (understandably) focus on those and lose sight of much of the positives. |
I agree with you on most things, but think you & other "Muric in" fans have completely ignored his biggest failing (leaving aside his howlers for the moment) - ie his failure to communicate with his team-mates, and therefore failure also to organise his defence.
They & KM lost confidence in him as a result, you could see it from their body language. There really is no coming back from that. |  |
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| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 08:46 - May 14 with 398 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 02:51 - May 14 by Ryorry |
I agree with you on most things, but think you & other "Muric in" fans have completely ignored his biggest failing (leaving aside his howlers for the moment) - ie his failure to communicate with his team-mates, and therefore failure also to organise his defence.
They & KM lost confidence in him as a result, you could see it from their body language. There really is no coming back from that. |
I don’t disagree with your point at all. I wouldn’t say I’m a ‘Muric fan’, but do get rather annoyed at the rhetoric used by some when talking about him. Rhetoric that the stats don’t support. There is also two way responsibility between the defence and ‘keeper; they often left him very exposed. The treatment by some ‘fans’ also contributed too - and some had already made up their minds about him before he played his first game, based on what Burnley fans said about him.
For me it would be an injustice not to add some balance to the conversation about everything that contributed to it not working out for Muric in a Town shirt. | | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 08:51 - May 14 with 394 views | Libero |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 00:05 - May 14 by redrickstuhaart |
Excellent reasoned argument as usual. |
A player costing us more goals and points than almost any other player has cost any other team in the league isn’t ‘reasoned’ enough for you? Righto…
Anyway, this conversations been done- I offered my thoughts in more detail there.
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| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 09:26 - May 14 with 343 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 08:51 - May 14 by Libero |
A player costing us more goals and points than almost any other player has cost any other team in the league isn’t ‘reasoned’ enough for you? Righto…
Anyway, this conversations been done- I offered my thoughts in more detail there.
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That's not true though. | |
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| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:27 - May 14 with 314 views | Libero |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 09:26 - May 14 by redrickstuhaart |
That's not true though. |
Who for Ipswich Town made more individual errors that led to goals? Or cost us more points?
I’m trying to treat your argument in good faith, but I’m not sure how you can argue against the statistical reality. [Post edited 14 May 10:30]
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| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:35 - May 14 with 307 views | norfsufblue |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:27 - May 14 by Libero |
Who for Ipswich Town made more individual errors that led to goals? Or cost us more points?
I’m trying to treat your argument in good faith, but I’m not sure how you can argue against the statistical reality. [Post edited 14 May 10:30]
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So how many good chances were missed in the games we drew ir lost narrowly?.... remember Sammy Szmodics missing a great chance to put us three up at Brentford for instance... honestly that first 5 months before Christmas could have had us safe if everyone had performed perfectly, the trouble is the goalkeeper is the only one that has his errors marked on the score sheet in black ink double underlined. I know its not going to happen but if he was given another chance i would be fully supportive of him without prejudice. |  | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:41 - May 14 with 293 views | Libero |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:35 - May 14 by norfsufblue |
So how many good chances were missed in the games we drew ir lost narrowly?.... remember Sammy Szmodics missing a great chance to put us three up at Brentford for instance... honestly that first 5 months before Christmas could have had us safe if everyone had performed perfectly, the trouble is the goalkeeper is the only one that has his errors marked on the score sheet in black ink double underlined. I know its not going to happen but if he was given another chance i would be fully supportive of him without prejudice. |
This is some incredibly weak whatabouttery.
Muric made copious errors that directly led to us conceding goals and losing points- errors are to be expected, but the volume that Muric made and the impact of them was profound.
Forward players missing chances is part and parcel of the game, a goalkeeper running out to play right back unexplainably and conceding a goal, is not.
Bizarre error, after bizarre error. I’m shocked so many are defending him. | | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:44 - May 14 with 286 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:41 - May 14 by Libero |
This is some incredibly weak whatabouttery.
Muric made copious errors that directly led to us conceding goals and losing points- errors are to be expected, but the volume that Muric made and the impact of them was profound.
Forward players missing chances is part and parcel of the game, a goalkeeper running out to play right back unexplainably and conceding a goal, is not.
Bizarre error, after bizarre error. I’m shocked so many are defending him. |
He's literally on a list of the all-time most individual errors leading to goals conceded in the Premiership despite the fewest appearances by far, and people are trying to retcon the whole thing so it's everyone's fault but his. Incredible. | | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:52 - May 14 with 269 views | BseaBlue |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:44 - May 14 by FoghornGleghorn |
He's literally on a list of the all-time most individual errors leading to goals conceded in the Premiership despite the fewest appearances by far, and people are trying to retcon the whole thing so it's everyone's fault but his. Incredible. |
Definitely seems a classic case of a player that has got better in some of our own fans eyes whilst not playing for us.
In a division of incredibly fine margins and every little gain trying to be found, we cannot afford to have someone that made as many costly mistakes as he did. |  | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:55 - May 14 with 256 views | DJR |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:41 - May 14 by FrimleyBlue |
You have to ask tho was man city away the best choice of debut.. |
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen!  |  | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:01 - May 14 with 243 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:41 - May 14 by Libero |
This is some incredibly weak whatabouttery.
Muric made copious errors that directly led to us conceding goals and losing points- errors are to be expected, but the volume that Muric made and the impact of them was profound.
Forward players missing chances is part and parcel of the game, a goalkeeper running out to play right back unexplainably and conceding a goal, is not.
Bizarre error, after bizarre error. I’m shocked so many are defending him. |
He made several poor and very visible errors. It's especially catastrophic when a keeper makes an error because invariably it leads to a goal being conceded. Forward players get away with it a lot more even though their misses can be equally damaging.
I thought Palmer was absolutely honking that Villa away game aside. I remember him having a run of half a dozen or so games where literally every shot beat him. He was cr@p in a less obvious way and got lauded by a lot for some reason.
I think Muric is done here. But make no bones about it, he is the best keeper on our books by a distance at the moment. | | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:07 - May 14 with 234 views | HighgateBlue |
I'm not sure that pre-season is going to tell the club a lot more about his goalkeeping. I'm sure they need to know where his head is at, and what he wants. But I'm sure those discussions have already been had.
As far as his keeping goes, he's just had an excellent season at a higher level than us, and is being courted by bigger clubs than us. He made a few real howlers. The equivalent of missing sitters as a striker. But he also had better stats than our other keepers. We did worse without him. He conceded fewer goals. He's a quality goalkeeper, and certainly the best on our books. But if Kieran thinks we should move on, either because of Muric's interaction with the players technically, or socially, or because of the support, then fine. That's his call and we must trust it.
By contrast, if Kieran thinks that his stint overseas has been the reset he needed, and that we won't get a better keeper within our budget, then fine by me.
Either way, Walton had a really good season in the Champ last season, but we need an upgrade for the Premier League. Our only strong finish in the Premier League era was when we had Richard Wright, and look what happened when he left. |  | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:09 - May 14 with 226 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:27 - May 14 by Libero |
Who for Ipswich Town made more individual errors that led to goals? Or cost us more points?
I’m trying to treat your argument in good faith, but I’m not sure how you can argue against the statistical reality. [Post edited 14 May 10:30]
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More GK stats that season
Save % Muric 68, Palmer 60, Walton 52
PPG Muric 0.67, Walton 0.57, Palmer 0.46
Goals conceded PG Muric 1.8, Palmer 2.3, Walton 2.7
High Claims PG Muric 2.2, Walton 1.7, Palmer 1.5
Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5 |  |
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| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:32 - May 14 with 203 views | OldFart71 |
Isn't it all a bit unfair on Walton to give Muric his chance again ? If Town could get a decent return on Muric then let him go.
Questions have to be asked why he isn't happy with joining the loan club he has been with and wouldn't the same situation apply at Town,
Maybe it is found we will need another keeper, but is that a priority, | | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:39 - May 14 with 183 views | cressi |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:41 - May 14 by Libero |
This is some incredibly weak whatabouttery.
Muric made copious errors that directly led to us conceding goals and losing points- errors are to be expected, but the volume that Muric made and the impact of them was profound.
Forward players missing chances is part and parcel of the game, a goalkeeper running out to play right back unexplainably and conceding a goal, is not.
Bizarre error, after bizarre error. I’m shocked so many are defending him. |
Libero thank god somebody has some sense.
Muric was on the whole a utter calamity. | | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:41 - May 14 with 172 views | Libero |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 10:44 - May 14 by FoghornGleghorn |
He's literally on a list of the all-time most individual errors leading to goals conceded in the Premiership despite the fewest appearances by far, and people are trying to retcon the whole thing so it's everyone's fault but his. Incredible. |
People really out here desperate to show their footballing intelligence (or lack there of) | | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:43 - May 14 with 170 views | TractorFrog |
I think it's worth having him as first choice for next season, but just be more trusting of Walton if things start to go wrong again. Allows us to spend more money on midfielders, forwards and strikers which I think is more important. |  |
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| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:44 - May 14 with 166 views | Churchman |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:01 - May 14 by tractorboy1978 |
He made several poor and very visible errors. It's especially catastrophic when a keeper makes an error because invariably it leads to a goal being conceded. Forward players get away with it a lot more even though their misses can be equally damaging.
I thought Palmer was absolutely honking that Villa away game aside. I remember him having a run of half a dozen or so games where literally every shot beat him. He was cr@p in a less obvious way and got lauded by a lot for some reason.
I think Muric is done here. But make no bones about it, he is the best keeper on our books by a distance at the moment. |
Palmer also did a Gunn air kick that nearly cost a goal in his first home game - but everyone chose to ignore that because it wasn’t Muric. Walton is a better keeper than him and I’d look to move him on.
As for Muric, I think it a little harsh bringing up his debut game. If you want to judge on debuts, you should have seen Arnold Muhren’s early efforts. He stank the place out.
Perhaps if our finest had encouraged rather than sought to destroy him, he might have performed better.
Either way, get back what £ we can and let him move on with his career. |  | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:50 - May 14 with 155 views | TractorJack |
I was willing to forgive him for some of the earlier mistakes because you could see the potential but I was raging at his performance in the Southampton home game. Doesn't deserve another chance. |  | | |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 12:00 - May 14 with 124 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Surely it's worth at least having a look at Aro Muric in pre-season on 11:43 - May 14 by TractorFrog |
I think it's worth having him as first choice for next season, but just be more trusting of Walton if things start to go wrong again. Allows us to spend more money on midfielders, forwards and strikers which I think is more important. |
I think it is almost certain the club will be signing a new number 1 for next season and it's the right decision. |  |
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