| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) 21:54 - May 13 with 5949 views | SitfcB |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 09:29 - May 14 with 800 views | soupytwist |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 07:27 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s a header. Look at the power. Clearly goes higher than where his hand is and hits his head.
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Having watched that clip, I'm (not) surprised to see the presenter's contribution to the discussion completely ignored in Sky Sports Scotland's post. |  | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 09:59 - May 14 with 749 views | Rozz |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 07:27 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s a header. Look at the power. Clearly goes higher than where his hand is and hits his head.
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Looks like hand to me, although I agree the flight of the ball says otherwise.
The hand is only in that position because it's pinned there by the opponent, though. |  | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:07 - May 14 with 730 views | CrockerITFC |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 22:33 - May 13 by ITFCson |
How are there people on this thread saying it was a penalty? The ball has quite clearly hit his head and propelled 50 yards for a throw in. The laws of physics suggest it has hit his head rather than the hand.
Hopefully justice will prevail on Saturday |
I mean if you ever watch volleyball you can see just how far a ball can fly hitting a stationary hand |  | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:23 - May 14 with 704 views | mellowblue |
Nah, his hand should not have been up there. Penalty for me. In Championship real time with no VAR I doubt it would be given, maybe 2 in ten times. C'mon the Bhoys. Makes for a great last game v the jam tarts. |  | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:27 - May 14 with 690 views | Radlett_blue |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 09:59 - May 14 by Rozz |
Looks like hand to me, although I agree the flight of the ball says otherwise.
The hand is only in that position because it's pinned there by the opponent, though. |
Yet another example of the horrors of VAR. It was advertised as being this great innovation that would cut out "clear & obvious errors" but it produces nonsense like this, especially when coupled with the new, ludicrous interpretation of handball.
VAR also only adds to the confusion when used to try to sort out the grappling at corners - see West Ham's "goal" last Sunday. |  |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:27 - May 14 with 689 views | Garv |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:23 - May 14 by mellowblue |
Nah, his hand should not have been up there. Penalty for me. In Championship real time with no VAR I doubt it would be given, maybe 2 in ten times. C'mon the Bhoys. Makes for a great last game v the jam tarts. |
Hand is up there because of the contact by the attacker. Not a foul by the attacker but enough to cause his arm to be in a strange position.
Another example where we're giving a penalty for a situation the defending team hasn't gained any kind of advantage from whatsoever. |  |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:30 - May 14 with 679 views | Garv |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 08:20 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
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Dive. Jumps over the ball! | |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:50 - May 14 with 647 views | SamWhiteUK |
I work with a Celtic fan and he's obviously saying that it was definitely a penalty and that the outcry has made it all sweeter. He's a lovely bloke and I don't have the Heart to tell him I think it's nonsense |  | | |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:52 - May 14 with 639 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:27 - May 14 by Garv |
Hand is up there because of the contact by the attacker. Not a foul by the attacker but enough to cause his arm to be in a strange position.
Another example where we're giving a penalty for a situation the defending team hasn't gained any kind of advantage from whatsoever. |
The laws say nothing about gaining advantage.
It really is time we started applying what is written rather than trying to make things up on the fly to suit a subjective interpretation of what seems right. | |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:57 - May 14 with 636 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
I was always opposed to VAR but naively thought, at least it will correct big team bias. |  |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:58 - May 14 with 628 views | jas0999 |
Would be good for the Scottish game if Celtic didn’t win the league, but I fear they will. | | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:59 - May 14 with 626 views | mellowblue |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:27 - May 14 by Garv |
Hand is up there because of the contact by the attacker. Not a foul by the attacker but enough to cause his arm to be in a strange position.
Another example where we're giving a penalty for a situation the defending team hasn't gained any kind of advantage from whatsoever. |
Ah, but the rules don't take that into account. Ref does not have much choice. They have tried to make the rules objective and simplified rather than open to interpretation because VAR officials want black and white yes/no situations, the rules are pretty clear in that they reject accidental or outside influence being a cause for the arm being in the wrong position when contacting the ball. Under the guidelines, definite handball, (provided it actually hit the hand which in this case is not 100% clear). But I am taking it. I had actually written the game off as a draw and switched channels just before the incident, more fool me. | | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 11:00 - May 14 with 626 views | Radlett_blue |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:30 - May 14 by Garv |
Dive. Jumps over the ball! |
Right. And this sort of thing makes a referee's job near impossible. | |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 13:44 - May 14 with 522 views | brazil1982 |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 08:47 - May 14 by Libero |
It’ll never happen, purely because a whole host of clubs don’t want Celtic over taking them rapidly. If the bhoys had the kind of funding on offer in the Premier League, they’d be unstoppable. |
Why would they be unstoppable? Why would players want to live in Glasgow rather than London? (or Bournemouth even). |  | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 13:46 - May 14 with 513 views | Herbivore |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 13:44 - May 14 by brazil1982 |
Why would they be unstoppable? Why would players want to live in Glasgow rather than London? (or Bournemouth even). |
Glasgow is a great city. Like all big cities it has its issues but it has great architecture, excellent places to eat and drink, and plenty of arts and culture. Probably my favourite city in the UK. What makes you think people wouldn't want to live there? |  |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 13:47 - May 14 with 515 views | HighgateBlue |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 03:31 - May 14 by Illinoisblue |
Before the cancer of VAR ruined football, nobody would have even thought for one second that was a penalty.
But now every kick and action must be forensically analysed in the name of… what, exactly? |
The commentator on the BBC website talks about clashing with the other player's head, so it seems he thought the pen was given for a foul rather than a handball.
So yeah, it seemingly didn't even occur to the commentator that it was handball in real time. |  | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 13:56 - May 14 with 490 views | Libero |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 13:44 - May 14 by brazil1982 |
Why would they be unstoppable? Why would players want to live in Glasgow rather than London? (or Bournemouth even). |
Good grief… |  | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 14:00 - May 14 with 482 views | Libero |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 10:58 - May 14 by jas0999 |
Would be good for the Scottish game if Celtic didn’t win the league, but I fear they will. |
Indeed and ironically, it would be really good for Celtic if they didn’t win the league- incase anyone is unaware the club themselves are sitting on a HUGE amount of profit and have been systemically underinvesting for years, hence the complete failure at European level for a number of years.
Supporters are quite rightly fed up at how far the board have allowed the club to fall and are demanding answers about why the money is not being invested.
Losing the title to Hearts would strong arm the board into a change of tact and money would have to be spent in the short term- potentially a review of policy and procedure long term too.
I’ve family links with the club and had resigned myself to losing it this year- they’re stil very much the best team in the division, but it’s the worst Celtic side in my living memory. | | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 14:00 - May 14 with 485 views | Trequartista |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 23:44 - May 13 by Trequartista |
My god just seen it, that's an appalling VAR decision. Hands in an unnatural position? So what - he headed it! Clear and obvious error? - lol.
Bin VAR now! |
There are some on this thread (myself included) that think it is clearly not handball, but there are also a significant amount who think it is clearly handball.
This tells you everything you need to know about whether something is "clear and obvious". It is as subjective as the decision itself.
Get rid of this var nonsense blighting football. |  |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 14:15 - May 14 with 456 views | Edmundo |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 09:29 - May 14 by soupytwist |
Having watched that clip, I'm (not) surprised to see the presenter's contribution to the discussion completely ignored in Sky Sports Scotland's post. |
VAR allows unconscious bias towards bigger clubs to occur more often. No way Leicester would have won the Prem if VAR had been around - too many big decisions would have fallen the way of the big 6 |  |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 14:35 - May 14 with 437 views | Vaughan8 |
It doesn't seem very conclusive does it.
His hand is in an "unnatural position", so if it hits it, is it automatically a penalty? The ball reacts like its come off his head. If it does hit his hand, it is so minor that it doesn't affect anything...!
This handball rule is still not very clear and I'm not sure anyone really knows the rules! Also there seems to be different rules in the CL to the PL which is odd too.
Lets hope It's not important and Hearts do what they need to do in the last match. | | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 16:51 - May 14 with 369 views | brazil1982 |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 13:46 - May 14 by Herbivore |
Glasgow is a great city. Like all big cities it has its issues but it has great architecture, excellent places to eat and drink, and plenty of arts and culture. Probably my favourite city in the UK. What makes you think people wouldn't want to live there? |
I said "rather than". Weather mainly. | | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 16:54 - May 14 with 363 views | DistantBlue |
Was the player’s arm not essentially being locked in that position by the presence of a Celtic shoulder? |  | | |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 17:15 - May 14 with 336 views | Herbivore |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 16:51 - May 14 by brazil1982 |
I said "rather than". Weather mainly. |
If weather was the main deciding factor for players signing somewhere, United and City would be in the third tier at best. | |
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| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 17:42 - May 14 with 324 views | Blue_Heath |
| Pure corruption in Scotland. (n/t) on 13:46 - May 14 by Herbivore |
Glasgow is a great city. Like all big cities it has its issues but it has great architecture, excellent places to eat and drink, and plenty of arts and culture. Probably my favourite city in the UK. What makes you think people wouldn't want to live there? |
Agree Glasgow is a cracking night out and very affordable to compared to most places. | |
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