| Southampton punishment 17:10 - May 20 with 2426 views | bloozboiz |
Am I the only one that actually thinks the Southampton punishment wasn't harsh enough? Personally I think automation relegation would have been a fairer punishment |  | | |  |
| Southampton punishment on 17:31 - May 20 with 1976 views | Mullet |
Nope, I agree. Every game they played is now under suspicion and ruins the integrity of the league. If you award them all as 3-0 wins to the opposition Oxford stay up and Wrexham make the playoffs. Who would have played Millwall in the first leg.
Hull would have played Boro. So you’d have a very different competition. The fact that England doesn’t punish clubs hard enough is a real issue. |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 17:53 - May 20 with 1905 views | MK1 |
I think not letting them play in the final is correct, but the points deduction should be high enough to almost guarantee they get relegated next season, say -30 points. Heard from someone down here that the players are thinking of taking legal action against the club for loss of earnings from not being in the PL next season. |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 17:53 - May 20 with 1906 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
You can make that argument 
The closest there is to a precedent for this type of offense is Canada with their drone spying on New Zealand in the Women's Olympics 2024.
Canada were given a penalty of 2/3rds of the available points, and the senior coaching staff including coach banned from all football for 1 year.
For the Championship season that would be a 92 point deduction (penalties should surely scale for the situation in hand), meaning Southampton finished below Sheff Weds in the table, to be relegated to L1.
Seems only right to me. | | | |
| Southampton punishment on 17:58 - May 20 with 1859 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Southampton punishment on 17:31 - May 20 by Mullet |
Nope, I agree. Every game they played is now under suspicion and ruins the integrity of the league. If you award them all as 3-0 wins to the opposition Oxford stay up and Wrexham make the playoffs. Who would have played Millwall in the first leg.
Hull would have played Boro. So you’d have a very different competition. The fact that England doesn’t punish clubs hard enough is a real issue. |
Oxford beat Southampton 2-1 so they wouldn't stay up. Also Wrexham would still be behind Saints on goal difference even if you take 9 goals off them. |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 18:01 - May 20 with 1851 views | Illinoisblue |
What’s fascinating is Arsenal just won the league last night, and Villa are in a European final tonight and yet “spygate” story is dominating absolutely everywhere.
Can’t wait for it to be over*
* there’s going to be appeals rumbling on all summer, isn’t there? |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 18:03 - May 20 with 1819 views | MK1 |
| Southampton punishment on 18:01 - May 20 by Illinoisblue |
What’s fascinating is Arsenal just won the league last night, and Villa are in a European final tonight and yet “spygate” story is dominating absolutely everywhere.
Can’t wait for it to be over*
* there’s going to be appeals rumbling on all summer, isn’t there? |
The longer it lasts the better for us. | |
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| Southampton punishment on 18:07 - May 20 with 1782 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Southampton punishment on 17:58 - May 20 by GlasgowBlue |
Oxford beat Southampton 2-1 so they wouldn't stay up. Also Wrexham would still be behind Saints on goal difference even if you take 9 goals off them. |
I’m not sure, but I think you’ve misunderstood Mullers there. |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 18:10 - May 20 with 1757 views | MK1 |
On the news down here, they have said the players are taking legal advise over loss of earnings and the manager could be banned from football for 2 years. [Post edited 20 May 18:10]
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| Southampton punishment on 19:05 - May 20 with 1626 views | Mullet |
| Southampton punishment on 17:58 - May 20 by GlasgowBlue |
Oxford beat Southampton 2-1 so they wouldn't stay up. Also Wrexham would still be behind Saints on goal difference even if you take 9 goals off them. |
Southampton would be rock bottom and push Oxford up to 4th bottom | |
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| Southampton punishment on 19:29 - May 20 with 1528 views | Clutch |
I think they need to launch a full investigation now, and if more evidence appears, and they did it for more games, the penalty needs to be even bigger.
And half the club staff probably need sacking too. |  | | |
| Southampton punishment on 19:44 - May 20 with 1457 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
I think it is in Southampton's interest to take their medicine and try to move on quickly. There is zero chance they only spied on three games and I suspect the EFL don't have much appetite to dig further, it could open a huge can of worms which would surely be worthy of a more significant points deduction. | | | |
| Southampton punishment on 19:45 - May 20 with 1453 views | Ryorry |
| Southampton punishment on 19:29 - May 20 by Clutch |
I think they need to launch a full investigation now, and if more evidence appears, and they did it for more games, the penalty needs to be even bigger.
And half the club staff probably need sacking too. |
Either the owner or someone senior at the club said that everyone involved in Spygate will never work for Southampton again. Reported on the BBC website earlier, but can’t find it now, navigation there lacks signposting. |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 19:50 - May 20 with 1417 views | vapour_trail |
| Southampton punishment on 19:29 - May 20 by Clutch |
I think they need to launch a full investigation now, and if more evidence appears, and they did it for more games, the penalty needs to be even bigger.
And half the club staff probably need sacking too. |
I think they should all be tarred and feathered then put in public stocks in Portsmouth docks for the duration of next season. |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 19:56 - May 20 with 1385 views | BrianTablet |
| Southampton punishment on 19:50 - May 20 by vapour_trail |
I think they should all be tarred and feathered then put in public stocks in Portsmouth docks for the duration of next season. |
I think they should be made to play in camo gear and balaclavas next season. |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 21:46 - May 20 with 1258 views | carlo88 |
| Southampton punishment on 18:10 - May 20 by MK1 |
On the news down here, they have said the players are taking legal advise over loss of earnings and the manager could be banned from football for 2 years. [Post edited 20 May 18:10]
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Yeah those players who must have known what was going on and happy to take advantage of it. Pathetic. |  | | |
| Southampton punishment on 21:58 - May 20 with 1202 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Southampton punishment on 19:05 - May 20 by Mullet |
Southampton would be rock bottom and push Oxford up to 4th bottom |
I see. You are wanting to give every club who played Southampton a 3-0 win home and away and relegate Southampton with zero points.
That also relegates Oxford but saves Leicester, as Leicester would gain an extra six points whereas Oxford would only gain an extra three. So Oxford would finish on 50 points but Leicester would finish on 52. [Post edited 20 May 21:59]
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| Southampton punishment on 22:03 - May 20 with 1174 views | Swansea_Blue |
I think a lot of people expected the EFL to bottle it and so were delighted with them being kicked out of the PO’s, but that punishment was only available because they’d got there. Had a team not in the PO final only received a four point deduction, you’d think they’d got off very, very lightly indeed. So yes, I agree. Given the mess they’ve caused a relegation would not have been unreasonable. I was only half joking earlier when I suggest the EFL should kick them out of their leagues. |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 22:05 - May 20 with 1163 views | Ryorry |
| Southampton punishment on 22:03 - May 20 by Swansea_Blue |
I think a lot of people expected the EFL to bottle it and so were delighted with them being kicked out of the PO’s, but that punishment was only available because they’d got there. Had a team not in the PO final only received a four point deduction, you’d think they’d got off very, very lightly indeed. So yes, I agree. Given the mess they’ve caused a relegation would not have been unreasonable. I was only half joking earlier when I suggest the EFL should kick them out of their leagues. |
Good point that re them being in top 6. | |
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| Southampton punishment on 22:12 - May 20 with 1120 views | Mullet |
| Southampton punishment on 21:58 - May 20 by GlasgowBlue |
I see. You are wanting to give every club who played Southampton a 3-0 win home and away and relegate Southampton with zero points.
That also relegates Oxford but saves Leicester, as Leicester would gain an extra six points whereas Oxford would only gain an extra three. So Oxford would finish on 50 points but Leicester would finish on 52. [Post edited 20 May 21:59]
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| Southampton punishment on 22:44 - May 20 with 1020 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Southampton punishment on 22:12 - May 20 by Mullet |
AI told me differently this morning! |
Leicester lost home and away to Southampton. Oxford beat Southampton at home and lost away.
So if you cancel each teams results against Saints and award them all a 3-0 win then Leicester would be six points better off but Oxford only three.
You've saved Leicester. | |
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| Southampton punishment on 23:01 - May 20 with 967 views | vinceg |
I'm fine with the existing punishments on the club, but where I think the EFL and the FA are missing a trick is that the perpetrators of these nefarious activities have not had any action taken against them personally as far as I know. I think Eckert and his immediate staff should get a ban from any football related activities, perhaps UEFA-wide. Southampton should have to get a new set of staff and manager in. Wonder how we'd feel about our manager if he made the club and the fans a laughing stock like Eckert has. |  | | |
| Southampton punishment on 23:04 - May 20 with 948 views | Churchman |
Agree totally. - league 1 or 2 plus a fine = to their parachute payments and that would have been fair. They’ve been very lucky |  | | |
| Southampton punishment on 23:14 - May 20 with 902 views | Ryorry |
| Southampton punishment on 23:01 - May 20 by vinceg |
I'm fine with the existing punishments on the club, but where I think the EFL and the FA are missing a trick is that the perpetrators of these nefarious activities have not had any action taken against them personally as far as I know. I think Eckert and his immediate staff should get a ban from any football related activities, perhaps UEFA-wide. Southampton should have to get a new set of staff and manager in. Wonder how we'd feel about our manager if he made the club and the fans a laughing stock like Eckert has. |
Only the FA could do that, and they were legally unable to take any action until the appeal hearing had been done and dusted. Give em a chance! | |
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| Southampton punishment on 23:37 - May 20 with 830 views | IndependentlyBlue |
They’ve been punished for what they’ve admitted. Spying on three other teams outside the rules. While we can speculate on whether or not they spied on others there won’t be any further action without proof. Have to say it’s a bit surprising they haven’t had any financial punishment. When Swindon were thrown out of the fa cup earlier this year for fielding ineligible players there was a fine too, albeit half of it suspended |  |
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| Southampton punishment on 23:48 - May 20 with 796 views | stonojnr |
| Southampton punishment on 23:14 - May 20 by Ryorry |
Only the FA could do that, and they were legally unable to take any action until the appeal hearing had been done and dusted. Give em a chance! |
yes Id read they were waiting to let the EFL bits finish, maybe even let the final happen so as not to distract even more, and then move on to dealing with the individuals involved.
the real question we should be asking is howcome Southampton havent already sacked their manager, given he seems to have been fully aware/cognisant of all what was happening. | | | |
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