| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 14:56 - May 22 with 1160 views | EdwardStone |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 14:20 - May 22 by tivo |
I know it's far out, but Labour, Lib Dem & Greens really need to go into the next election with a pact ffs. |
Labour are virtually impossible to do a pact with
In my limited experience they hate Greens and Libs equally, seeing every vote for those 2 parties as somehow a vote stolen from Labour
I believe it is hard wired into the Labour Party to never engage in any pact, never co-operate or do a deal with any other party.....it might actually been mentioned in their rule book
IIrc they are mandated to stand in every election to offer their supporters the chance to vote for Labour and only Labour
I am mildly interested to see what kind of electoral changes Mr Burnham is favouring..... some meaningful type of PR would literally change everything.... if he prevails in the by-election, if he succeeds Mr Starmer and if he actually has the cajones to put something through Parliament |  | |  |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 17:09 - May 22 with 1025 views | jasondozzell |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 09:58 - May 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But that’s just nonsense as usual not backed up by any facts. We don’t have austerity now - UK government spending (%GDP) is higher now than at any point since the post war period.
Kind of proves my point that some are more happy undermining Labour than Reform, repeating made up stuff like that is only going to help populists get into power. |
Centists really cannot admit that they were wrong can they?!
That's just total nonsense I'm afraid. We absolutely still have austerity. %GDP doesn't mean anything when you consider where the money goes and that it's been rising post war anyway.
Current Labour government is to the right of Cameronite stuff.
What was their plan for rescuing the country? Nothing more than hoping for growth.
Remember that they wrecked the party to implement this shambles.
We've not even scratched the surface of the Labour Together stuff.
The only people Starmer appealed to was a very small sliver of the prof managerial class who are the only small group that the party now represents it's been captured.
The part of Attlee and Bevan. An utter disgrace to their names.
It was not 1997. It's still not 1997. |  | | |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 17:22 - May 22 with 988 views | DJR |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 14:56 - May 22 by EdwardStone |
Labour are virtually impossible to do a pact with
In my limited experience they hate Greens and Libs equally, seeing every vote for those 2 parties as somehow a vote stolen from Labour
I believe it is hard wired into the Labour Party to never engage in any pact, never co-operate or do a deal with any other party.....it might actually been mentioned in their rule book
IIrc they are mandated to stand in every election to offer their supporters the chance to vote for Labour and only Labour
I am mildly interested to see what kind of electoral changes Mr Burnham is favouring..... some meaningful type of PR would literally change everything.... if he prevails in the by-election, if he succeeds Mr Starmer and if he actually has the cajones to put something through Parliament |
When I was secretary of our constituency Labour party we entered into an arrangement for a local by-election whereby the Greens stood aside and campaigned for the Labour candidate.
But it all had to be hush/hush because if the national party had got wind of it, we'd have been in trouble. From recollection, there was no such problems for the Greens.
Sadly, it didn't work because the Tory vote was so strong, but it was an area where activists for the Greens, Lib Dems and Labour got on really well, and realised we had more in common than divided us. [Post edited 22 May 18:36]
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 17:37 - May 22 with 951 views | Dubtractor |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 11:52 - May 22 by Radlett_blue |
But the journalists regularly heckling ministers as they walk into no.10 is fine? |
Where did I say that? Slightly bizarre comment to be honest. |  |
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:05 - May 22 with 911 views | noggin |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 17:09 - May 22 by jasondozzell |
Centists really cannot admit that they were wrong can they?!
That's just total nonsense I'm afraid. We absolutely still have austerity. %GDP doesn't mean anything when you consider where the money goes and that it's been rising post war anyway.
Current Labour government is to the right of Cameronite stuff.
What was their plan for rescuing the country? Nothing more than hoping for growth.
Remember that they wrecked the party to implement this shambles.
We've not even scratched the surface of the Labour Together stuff.
The only people Starmer appealed to was a very small sliver of the prof managerial class who are the only small group that the party now represents it's been captured.
The part of Attlee and Bevan. An utter disgrace to their names.
It was not 1997. It's still not 1997. |
"What was their plan for rescuing the country? Nothing more than hoping for growth."
Well, short of taxing wealth, that is surely the only hope? [Post edited 22 May 18:06]
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:15 - May 22 with 877 views | EdwardStone |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 17:22 - May 22 by DJR |
When I was secretary of our constituency Labour party we entered into an arrangement for a local by-election whereby the Greens stood aside and campaigned for the Labour candidate.
But it all had to be hush/hush because if the national party had got wind of it, we'd have been in trouble. From recollection, there was no such problems for the Greens.
Sadly, it didn't work because the Tory vote was so strong, but it was an area where activists for the Greens, Lib Dems and Labour got on really well, and realised we had more in common than divided us. [Post edited 22 May 18:36]
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Very interesting; did your Labour Party give a green "clear run" at any election as a payment?
My understanding is that is when the brown stuff would hit the ventilation system
When I was involved in Green Party stuff many moons ago, the reaction from almost all Labour members was one of hatred..... "How dare these upstarts steal our votes "
The Lib Dems were slightly friendlier, but super-flaky on environmental issues. | | | |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:22 - May 22 with 857 views | jasondozzell |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:05 - May 22 by noggin |
"What was their plan for rescuing the country? Nothing more than hoping for growth."
Well, short of taxing wealth, that is surely the only hope? [Post edited 22 May 18:06]
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You're halfway there!
And hoping for growth isn't a very impressive governmental strategy. You've got to create it. They thought it just happens like in 1997. | | | |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:27 - May 22 with 842 views | noggin |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:22 - May 22 by jasondozzell |
You're halfway there!
And hoping for growth isn't a very impressive governmental strategy. You've got to create it. They thought it just happens like in 1997. |
"You've got to create it"
How though? I honestly don't know so am interested. | |
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:33 - May 22 with 830 views | jasondozzell |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:27 - May 22 by noggin |
"You've got to create it"
How though? I honestly don't know so am interested. |
By breaking with the neoliberal consensus that has eaten away at the country for 40 years.
It's going to eat the middle class now which they don't like so we are maybe 15 years from a tipping point
How?
Invest in public works, build, invest in infrastructure and industry. Reorganisation of tax. The ultra wealthy don't spend they just hoover up assets. Redistribute just a little and it will stimulate the economy.
Invest in people and areas. Take some of the chips off the city and place them elsewhere.
We can do it. But it means that some people sitting in 700k houses might have to accept a slightly different world. | | | |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:37 - May 22 with 808 views | MattinLondon |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:33 - May 22 by jasondozzell |
By breaking with the neoliberal consensus that has eaten away at the country for 40 years.
It's going to eat the middle class now which they don't like so we are maybe 15 years from a tipping point
How?
Invest in public works, build, invest in infrastructure and industry. Reorganisation of tax. The ultra wealthy don't spend they just hoover up assets. Redistribute just a little and it will stimulate the economy.
Invest in people and areas. Take some of the chips off the city and place them elsewhere.
We can do it. But it means that some people sitting in 700k houses might have to accept a slightly different world. |
In many areas of the country, living in a house valued at 700k isn’t a sign of wealth. |  | | |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:40 - May 22 with 805 views | Plums |
I could have started a new thread but for everyone's sanity, I thought I'd post it here.
They're at it again. Rinse and repeat - use other people's community assets to support the grift
https://www.theguardian.com/po |  |
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:44 - May 22 with 786 views | jasondozzell |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:37 - May 22 by MattinLondon |
In many areas of the country, living in a house valued at 700k isn’t a sign of wealth. |
A sentence which really sums everything up. | | | |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:51 - May 22 with 744 views | positivity |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:40 - May 22 by Plums |
I could have started a new thread but for everyone's sanity, I thought I'd post it here.
They're at it again. Rinse and repeat - use other people's community assets to support the grift
https://www.theguardian.com/po |
typical reform, use them as propaganda and then shut them down as a "cost-cutting"/"anti dei" move when they get in power |  |
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:55 - May 22 with 728 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:40 - May 22 by Plums |
I could have started a new thread but for everyone's sanity, I thought I'd post it here.
They're at it again. Rinse and repeat - use other people's community assets to support the grift
https://www.theguardian.com/po |
Except the previous instance I presume you are comparing to was clearly very much by invite.
This bit is quite telling too: "a Daily Mail journalist who was part of Farage’s entourage ..." |  |
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 19:03 - May 22 with 714 views | Dubtractor |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 18:51 - May 22 by positivity |
typical reform, use them as propaganda and then shut them down as a "cost-cutting"/"anti dei" move when they get in power |
The lack of respect they have for almost everyone is breathtaking at times.
Just a pure coincidence that they popped in when Burnham was on there. [Post edited 22 May 19:09]
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 20:05 - May 22 with 632 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 23:52 - May 21 by reusersfreekicks |
Not sure how that is linked to Reform leaders condoning public abuse of a govt minister.
And the only time I have heard the phrase centrist Dad is by 1 poster on here? |
It has been used as a term of abuse more than once! |  |
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 20:31 - May 22 with 581 views | Mullet |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 20:05 - May 22 by Ewan_Oozami |
It has been used as a term of abuse more than once! |
Only by c@£!s though innit |  |
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 21:57 - May 22 with 495 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 17:09 - May 22 by jasondozzell |
Centists really cannot admit that they were wrong can they?!
That's just total nonsense I'm afraid. We absolutely still have austerity. %GDP doesn't mean anything when you consider where the money goes and that it's been rising post war anyway.
Current Labour government is to the right of Cameronite stuff.
What was their plan for rescuing the country? Nothing more than hoping for growth.
Remember that they wrecked the party to implement this shambles.
We've not even scratched the surface of the Labour Together stuff.
The only people Starmer appealed to was a very small sliver of the prof managerial class who are the only small group that the party now represents it's been captured.
The part of Attlee and Bevan. An utter disgrace to their names.
It was not 1997. It's still not 1997. |
I don’t think you understand what austerity is:
“Austerity refers to a set of economic and political policies implemented by governments to reduce budget deficits, usually during financial crises. It primarily involves aggressive government spending cuts, tax increases, or a combination of both”
We have higher tax burdens than at any point since the post war period, government spending is up across most sectors, can you point me to a single economic metric which suggests we are cutting taxes and spending on public services. You can’t.
Weve largely outperformed France economically whose government spending is much higher, including billions on renationalising their energy production. The ECB printed over 1trn to try and stimulate growth, but adding so much more money to the economy just devalues everyone’s earnings, hence stagnant wage growth over the last 10-15 years. The UK also has deskilled its workforce post industrialisation, replacing skilled manufacturing jobs with tetail and services. It’s a lot more complex improving the UK economy than just adding another 1pc of GDP to NHS spending.
Suggesting taxing a handful of billionaires more is going to massively improve our fiscal situation is naive at best. If you confiscated their entire net wealth it wouldn’t even pay pensions for 1 year. | | | |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 22:05 - May 22 with 484 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 14:56 - May 22 by EdwardStone |
Labour are virtually impossible to do a pact with
In my limited experience they hate Greens and Libs equally, seeing every vote for those 2 parties as somehow a vote stolen from Labour
I believe it is hard wired into the Labour Party to never engage in any pact, never co-operate or do a deal with any other party.....it might actually been mentioned in their rule book
IIrc they are mandated to stand in every election to offer their supporters the chance to vote for Labour and only Labour
I am mildly interested to see what kind of electoral changes Mr Burnham is favouring..... some meaningful type of PR would literally change everything.... if he prevails in the by-election, if he succeeds Mr Starmer and if he actually has the cajones to put something through Parliament |
I get the impression they’re hard wired to never engage within their party, never mind outside it! |  |
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 22:44 - May 22 with 440 views | jasondozzell |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 21:57 - May 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don’t think you understand what austerity is:
“Austerity refers to a set of economic and political policies implemented by governments to reduce budget deficits, usually during financial crises. It primarily involves aggressive government spending cuts, tax increases, or a combination of both”
We have higher tax burdens than at any point since the post war period, government spending is up across most sectors, can you point me to a single economic metric which suggests we are cutting taxes and spending on public services. You can’t.
Weve largely outperformed France economically whose government spending is much higher, including billions on renationalising their energy production. The ECB printed over 1trn to try and stimulate growth, but adding so much more money to the economy just devalues everyone’s earnings, hence stagnant wage growth over the last 10-15 years. The UK also has deskilled its workforce post industrialisation, replacing skilled manufacturing jobs with tetail and services. It’s a lot more complex improving the UK economy than just adding another 1pc of GDP to NHS spending.
Suggesting taxing a handful of billionaires more is going to massively improve our fiscal situation is naive at best. If you confiscated their entire net wealth it wouldn’t even pay pensions for 1 year. |
This is desperate stuff. It's okay to admit that you were wrong if you backed this horse.
Sensible pragmatic centrism is a disaster in this era.
Let's take this one by one.
Firstly, we absolutely are still in a period of extreme austerity. Where do you think the money for military spending is going to come from? They are cutting budgets. Councils are bankrupt.
They've cut disability benefits, overseas aid, civil service, raised national insurance.
Look at the state of the public services.
This government is no believer in Keynesian economics and you know it.
Strawman argument over NHS spending. Nowhere did I suggest that just adding 1% of GDP solves everything. Again you know that.
And finally the Custer's Last Stand of the 'sensible grown ups in the room' - the argument that taxing billionaires wont create unlimited money. No it won't. But you're misunderstanding a fundamental part of the argument (quite apart from lower taxation for the wealthy being morally wrong).
Billionaires don't create more wealth with that money. They just buy assets. Which in turn locks everyone out of the housing market etc.
Billionaires made huge amounts of money during COVID.
I'd quite like some of that money working to help ordinary people. Not sitting in bacnk accounts making grotesquely rich people even richer.
It's not 1997. It's 2026.
If you don't wake up to it, it will be Farage. [Post edited 22 May 22:49]
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 00:02 - May 23 with 391 views | Bigalhunter |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 13:13 - May 22 by reusersfreekicks |
So you approve of personal abuse of public figures?
Still hardly surprising given your desire to have all refugees coming through the tunnel shot.
Deeply unpleasant.
No idea why you get a free pass on here by decent people |
Benters has cleverly worked out that as long as he plays up to GB by joining in with the scattergun accusations of anti-semitism, he’s got license to pretty much spout his single-figure IQ views and intolerance on every other issue, with nothing more than the occasional, token admonishment.
He’s actually playing GB’s vanity like a cheap penny whistle.
It’s pitifully obvious and strangely amusing in equal measure…. |  |
| It used to great on here when people let me say whatever I wanted and giggled along - (Rough translation of post from un-named TWTD contributor, 2026) | | Poll: | September 2025. Which one? |
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 00:24 - May 23 with 380 views | Axeldalai_lama |
This whole thread sums up politics in this country. There are relatively well engaged political types jabbing seven shades out of each other about the specifics of left/centre left/centre/centre right. And blaming each other saying it's all the other sides fault. Meanwhile there's actual reform and supporters, and the absolute refusal to engage and enter into any reasonable accountability, bar offensive sound bites and sly digs, before stepping off and watching it burn, are patted on the head and treated like necessary endearing relatives, instead of the problem that is eating this country from the inside out. [Post edited 23 May 7:00]
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| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 04:03 - May 23 with 313 views | Benters |
| Reform's response to this is actually disgusting. on 00:02 - May 23 by Bigalhunter |
Benters has cleverly worked out that as long as he plays up to GB by joining in with the scattergun accusations of anti-semitism, he’s got license to pretty much spout his single-figure IQ views and intolerance on every other issue, with nothing more than the occasional, token admonishment.
He’s actually playing GB’s vanity like a cheap penny whistle.
It’s pitifully obvious and strangely amusing in equal measure…. |
Hint hint hint….
Or maybe I agree with GB and his posts about the Jewish community.
Have a nice day Big Al. |  |
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