| Ivan Azon 15:26 - May 25 with 2061 views | Radlett_blue |
Como have qualified for the CL next season so hard to see him getting much of a look-in there. He's 23 & has played over 140 senior games now so I doubt he's going to become a huge predator so although he'll be on offer, I hope we steer clear. |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 16:48 - May 25 with 330 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ivan Azon on 16:42 - May 25 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Why on earth would we give Azon a PL contract as a third striker? Are we selling Hirst to make this happen? We already have 7M and wages allocated to Akpom that will be difficult to do anything with that provides us a favorable outcome in the immediate.
I guess he would cost another 4-5M now we went up. If you’re telling me we will keep them both as back ups and just get one more in that’s absolutely insane at PL level.
Piroe, Archer, Armstrong couldn’t make it in the PL but Azon will? |
As a matter of interest, what sort of strikers are you expecting us to sign? |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 16:51 - May 25 with 327 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ivan Azon on 16:46 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That's Joel Piroe who played 14 times for Leeds in the Premier League last season?
None of us is suggesting we should look to Azon or Hirst as first choice. |
13 of which were sub appearances. He’s had a total of 234 minutes in the season and a goal after lighting up the Championship last year. |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 16:53 - May 25 with 313 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ivan Azon on 16:48 - May 25 by NthQldITFC |
I presume Akpom will go out on loan unless he shows really well in pre-season. Azon is ahead of Hirst for me, and still improving. He has one big weakness in his game, but it's a heat of the moment 'habit' thing rather than a specific lack of ability in his skillset.
I'd ideally like two more strikers in. Can't remember if we ever tried it, but I think Azon could potentially do a job in the 10 role too, so carrying him, Hirst (probably) plus two more would not be out of the question. |
I would suggest the flaw in your thinking is that we sign two strikers better than Azon.
Of course, had Broja worked out we would have ended up doing that last time but I think Delap performed above what we expected. | |
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| Ivan Azon on 16:59 - May 25 with 299 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ivan Azon on 16:48 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As a matter of interest, what sort of strikers are you expecting us to sign? |
Ideally for me it would be Fleming/Wilson type as our off the bench option (that would see a lot of minutes still) and to compete with a more marquee signing from Europe or further afield. Ideally with a physical presence and is a goal scorer. Like Sunderland found with Brobbey. Parrott could also be an option.
Are you genuinely suggesting we should go in to he PL with both Hirst and Azon as 2/3 strikers? | |
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| Ivan Azon on 16:59 - May 25 with 294 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ivan Azon on 16:51 - May 25 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
13 of which were sub appearances. He’s had a total of 234 minutes in the season and a goal after lighting up the Championship last year. |
So he was considered good enough to be 3rd choice for them in the Premier League. | |
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| Ivan Azon on 17:00 - May 25 with 296 views | OldFart71 |
It's a big problem as many strikers have a season where they may score 25 or 30 goals, but not that many consistently score season after season. There have always been a few old pros that knock them in consistently.
I see a player in Azon, he was unlucky with a couple of world class saves against him. But then a few one on one's he failed to convert.
I suppose if all else fails he would make a second/third choice.
This window will be very interesting given that the failures of the last time must be considered. |  | | |
| Ivan Azon on 17:04 - May 25 with 274 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ivan Azon on 16:59 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So he was considered good enough to be 3rd choice for them in the Premier League. |
As a pretty low end squad player. I think he was available in January when he wasn’t really getting a kick but didn’t want to drop down.
We can’t really compare the Championship top scorer from 24/25 with Azon in 25/26 either can we? That’s kind of the point of the levels we are talking about here. I imagine this board would be saying we should start Piroe if rolls were reserved after a promotion.
Either way if we spending money on a 3rd striker then we’d need to move Hirst on for a fee IMO. I like Azon but he’s struggle mighty up there for now. | |
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| Ivan Azon on 17:05 - May 25 with 272 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ivan Azon on 16:59 - May 25 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Ideally for me it would be Fleming/Wilson type as our off the bench option (that would see a lot of minutes still) and to compete with a more marquee signing from Europe or further afield. Ideally with a physical presence and is a goal scorer. Like Sunderland found with Brobbey. Parrott could also be an option.
Are you genuinely suggesting we should go in to he PL with both Hirst and Azon as 2/3 strikers? |
I think we are likely to end up with nothing better.
If we get the marquee European signing, great. Brobbey worked out for Sunderland but he easily might not have done. He had scored 4 goals in the Dutch league the season before - fewer than Azon scored last season!
I think we might get one of Fleming/Wilson/Parrott/Delap. If we can get two in, great. However, I could see us chasing them and not signing any of them. Would you prefer to be scrabbling around for someone like we were when we signed Al Hamadi? | |
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| Ivan Azon on 17:14 - May 25 with 260 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ivan Azon on 17:05 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think we are likely to end up with nothing better.
If we get the marquee European signing, great. Brobbey worked out for Sunderland but he easily might not have done. He had scored 4 goals in the Dutch league the season before - fewer than Azon scored last season!
I think we might get one of Fleming/Wilson/Parrott/Delap. If we can get two in, great. However, I could see us chasing them and not signing any of them. Would you prefer to be scrabbling around for someone like we were when we signed Al Hamadi? |
He scored 7 with the Europa league goals and 22 league goals the season before. I guess that’s what a scouts job is, to find a players body of work who they think can translate at the PL level.
I really don’t know what point you are making? Outside of it might not work? That we should just sign Azon?
We are a PL club for the second time in 3 years, have the budget and apparently now the scouting network. I don’t know what Ali in a championship January window has anything to with the here and now.
It’s their job to deliver. | |
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| We’re getting Jarrod Bowen on 17:21 - May 25 with 254 views | unstableblue |
I really liked Azon
He’s got some really good qualities
But we’ll get limited chances in the Prem and even if he was our 3rd striker, he’s just not clinical and I’d have Hirst over him in that third spot.
We need to buy real high end quality to have any chance of survival. |  |
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| We’re getting Jarrod Bowen on 17:44 - May 25 with 223 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| We’re getting Jarrod Bowen on 17:21 - May 25 by unstableblue |
I really liked Azon
He’s got some really good qualities
But we’ll get limited chances in the Prem and even if he was our 3rd striker, he’s just not clinical and I’d have Hirst over him in that third spot.
We need to buy real high end quality to have any chance of survival. |
We need new 2 incomings for sure. | |
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| We’re getting Jarrod Bowen on 17:47 - May 25 with 210 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| We’re getting Jarrod Bowen on 17:44 - May 25 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We need new 2 incomings for sure. |
We are agreed on that. I like Azon and that is probably clouding my view. If it wasn't for his finishing he would be good enough but, on reflection, you are probably right. We can't really afford both Hirst and Azon failing to take the chances we do create. | |
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| Ivan Azon on 17:51 - May 25 with 207 views | SheffordBlue |
He's going to be Schrödinger’s Striker:
If we don't sign him he'll have a season where he finishes lots of chances and puts everything together and ends up with 20 goals wherever he goes.
If we do sign him he'll either carry on as he did this season or his chance creation will go down while his finishing stays the same. | |
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| Ivan Azon on 17:58 - May 25 with 195 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ivan Azon on 17:00 - May 25 by OldFart71 |
It's a big problem as many strikers have a season where they may score 25 or 30 goals, but not that many consistently score season after season. There have always been a few old pros that knock them in consistently.
I see a player in Azon, he was unlucky with a couple of world class saves against him. But then a few one on one's he failed to convert.
I suppose if all else fails he would make a second/third choice.
This window will be very interesting given that the failures of the last time must be considered. |
I don’t see a future where we want to put him on his own up against PL quality CBs. Not if want to stand a chance of staying up. KM may think differently of course, but then he’s still young with lots of learning to do  |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 18:05 - May 25 with 185 views | Herbivore |
I like Azon and think there's a player in there but I can't see us signing him to get regular minutes in the Prem and he's not going to want to come here to be a third choice striker. He got better as the season went on but his finishing remained pretty iffy and we can't afford to have someone missing so many big chances next season. |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 18:18 - May 25 with 152 views | armchaircritic59 |
| Ivan Azon on 15:45 - May 25 by jayessess |
Suspect last time's failure will have concentrated a few minds with respect to the quality level we need, so I doubt we will revisit Ivan.
Devil's advocate though:
Striker is a position where players do sometimes kick on a bit later. Chris Wood was already older than Ivan is now when he came on loan to us in 2015 and his goalscoring record was no better.
Taking chances is one of those things that fans see one way and recruitment analysts tend to see another. Varies a lot season-to-season, good runs and bad runs, think a lot of clubs judge by the other attributes (Does his movement get/make chances? Is his technical level good? Can he compete physically? Does he press well? Is he fast enough/strong enough?) because they're more reproducible season by season. |
There is of course more to modern day strikers in general than just sticking the ball in the back of the net. However that is still the number 1 requirement, and if by any chance it isn't, something has gone badly wrong somewhere. |  | | |
| We had Ali as a second striker last time round!! on 18:32 - May 25 with 134 views | unstableblue |
| We’re getting Jarrod Bowen on 17:44 - May 25 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We need new 2 incomings for sure. |
Delap was meant to be the second striker, Hirst third. And we clearly missed out on the main proven striker.
They surely won’t make that mistake again. | |
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| We had Ali as a second striker last time round!! on 18:34 - May 25 with 132 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| We had Ali as a second striker last time round!! on 18:32 - May 25 by unstableblue |
Delap was meant to be the second striker, Hirst third. And we clearly missed out on the main proven striker.
They surely won’t make that mistake again. |
Yep we chased the Greek lad didn't we. Also think Delap was meant to provide us with some right wing cover.
Funny how things shake out sometimes. |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 18:36 - May 25 with 129 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I liked Azon. Good movement, decent touch at times and has some really good attributes to his game.
That being said, we should absolutely not be signing him for the Premier League. Have to find better. | |
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| Ivan Azon on 18:44 - May 25 with 111 views | darkhorse28 |
| Ivan Azon on 15:45 - May 25 by jayessess |
Suspect last time's failure will have concentrated a few minds with respect to the quality level we need, so I doubt we will revisit Ivan.
Devil's advocate though:
Striker is a position where players do sometimes kick on a bit later. Chris Wood was already older than Ivan is now when he came on loan to us in 2015 and his goalscoring record was no better.
Taking chances is one of those things that fans see one way and recruitment analysts tend to see another. Varies a lot season-to-season, good runs and bad runs, think a lot of clubs judge by the other attributes (Does his movement get/make chances? Is his technical level good? Can he compete physically? Does he press well? Is he fast enough/strong enough?) because they're more reproducible season by season. |
Kiwomya improved a LOT but I think was younger, in one season; with a step up in quality.
Sadly that season seemed a bit of an outlier.
The issue is, in terms of finishing it’s maybe a level or two he needs to step up in the EFL. He’s not even too league one level (at taking chances).
So asking a lot to step up to a level where he’ll get fewer chances, and expect he gos from
Is it 200 odd in chances taken this season, to about five levels higher.
Surprised people can’t process he’s very poor at one important thing, and move on. | | | |
| Ivan Azon on 18:47 - May 25 with 108 views | Chrisd |
| Ivan Azon on 15:52 - May 25 by JammyDodgerrr |
I'd be disappointed if we didn't sign him, to be honest. He improved drastically over the course of the season and his movement is extremely good. A good finishing coach can be brought in to help with the negative side of his game. I like him a lot. |
Problem is in the Premier League he’s not going to get copious amount of chances and if we are going to have a realistic chance of staying up we need players that will take their chances when they arrive and not need 4 or 5 to score 1. Sadly, the sentiment needs to be taken out of these decisions on transfers, we need to take Sunderland’s approach on our recruitment, not base it on they did a decent job for us last season, otherwise we’ll come up short again. | |
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| We had Ali as a second striker last time round!! on 19:04 - May 25 with 85 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| We had Ali as a second striker last time round!! on 18:32 - May 25 by unstableblue |
Delap was meant to be the second striker, Hirst third. And we clearly missed out on the main proven striker.
They surely won’t make that mistake again. |
I think Delap was signed to be third choice behind Hirst. It just turned out he was better than Hirst.
Of course, I may be wrong and the club may have expected what we got out of Delap. | |
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| Ivan Azon on 19:38 - May 25 with 36 views | jayessess |
| Ivan Azon on 18:44 - May 25 by darkhorse28 |
Kiwomya improved a LOT but I think was younger, in one season; with a step up in quality.
Sadly that season seemed a bit of an outlier.
The issue is, in terms of finishing it’s maybe a level or two he needs to step up in the EFL. He’s not even too league one level (at taking chances).
So asking a lot to step up to a level where he’ll get fewer chances, and expect he gos from
Is it 200 odd in chances taken this season, to about five levels higher.
Surprised people can’t process he’s very poor at one important thing, and move on. |
Not really about "processing anything", just what does it mean to miss a lot of chances in one season?
It isn't that weird for clubs to profit by judging a player in the round rather than just looking at their goal return. When Viktor Gyokeres turned 23 he was off the back of a season where he scored 3 times in 30 Championship appearances. Coventry looked past that, saw his general attributes and massively profited from doing so.
Not even saying it's worth doing (hence devil's advocate). |  |
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