| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? 08:51 - May 28 with 3992 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Blue tinted glasses of course say us…. But will be interesting given all three of us will likely be shopping in a similar bracket:
Coventry: Won the league at a bit of a canter which players might look at as a sign of strength. The Frank Lampard factor will be a bit of a pull undoubtedly. Fairly central in the country, if location is a question. Definitely a send if feel good factor around the club.
Hull: TBC on if they can actually sign anyone at all! Bit of an unknown quantity so players might see them as a bit of a risk. Although their manager will have strong contacts and the owner seems very ambitious. In the middle of nowhere, which you’d think makes it a tough sell location wise.
Town: The McKenna factor will help. Didn’t cover ourselves in glory the last time we were in the prem which might make some signings think twice, although you’d argue the core of our squad is in a much better place now. Closest to London which can be a plus for signings. Of all three teams we can probably afford to pay best wages.
On balance, it’s probably still us? |  | | |  |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 07:16 - May 29 with 840 views | ReusersTown |
Both of our big young signings enhanced their rep in the Prem. |  | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 07:18 - May 29 with 836 views | ReusersTown |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 09:18 - May 28 by Nutkins_Return |
I think without blue tinted specs it looks like this:
Manager pull: Coventry
Location: Coventry
Wages: Us
Training Ground:Us
Stadium: Coventry (though I completely disagree personally I think players first thoughts)
Scout Reach: Us now (but close with Coventry who have made some good overseas signings in recent years)
Chance of success: Us/Coventry (there will be different opinions)
Spending power: Us. (Cov and Hull will spend big though) - this is up for debate as well as our bigger spending last time in the prem might cap us more quickly.
In summary it will be close between us and Cov. I actually think for the most part we will have different targets though. I'm sure some battles. |
You genuinely think Lampard is a bigger pull than KMc. He was a the butt of many jokes until this year. | | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 07:57 - May 29 with 786 views | RayleighBlue |
Hull's owner is the wild card in all of this. If his influence in Turkey is to be believed he could have the ability to pull in a few Xhaka style signings from that league that we can't match. Some very very good players in that league. | | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 08:05 - May 29 with 779 views | football |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 07:18 - May 29 by ReusersTown |
You genuinely think Lampard is a bigger pull than KMc. He was a the butt of many jokes until this year. |
He was the butt of many this season - the Lampard tears and those pathetic fist pumps (its odd when managers do it but players is ok). He has an ego and makes everything about him in my opinion whereas KMK just goes about his business quietly and in a more classy manner.
Aa for who is the biggest draw - I'd say us - KMK, Cat 1, improvements to ground, new training facility, proximity to London, ability to spend and pay, a classier non bowl stadium and it isn't Coventry.
Suspect Hull wil struggle | | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 08:12 - May 29 with 770 views | NedPlimpton |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 08:05 - May 29 by football |
He was the butt of many this season - the Lampard tears and those pathetic fist pumps (its odd when managers do it but players is ok). He has an ego and makes everything about him in my opinion whereas KMK just goes about his business quietly and in a more classy manner.
Aa for who is the biggest draw - I'd say us - KMK, Cat 1, improvements to ground, new training facility, proximity to London, ability to spend and pay, a classier non bowl stadium and it isn't Coventry.
Suspect Hull wil struggle |
I guarantee a potential signing isn't going to care about whether we have a bowl stadium or not, and probably won't be too bothered about the status of our academy
I don't know what you mean by ability to spend and pay. You can spend money in hull and Coventry too? |  | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 08:24 - May 29 with 739 views | football |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 08:12 - May 29 by NedPlimpton |
I guarantee a potential signing isn't going to care about whether we have a bowl stadium or not, and probably won't be too bothered about the status of our academy
I don't know what you mean by ability to spend and pay. You can spend money in hull and Coventry too? |
Probably about the bowl, that is just my opinion
I suspect we have more financial clout behind us than the other two this season as we had a year in the PL which have us money. Maybe when they get promoted next time they will be financially better and esp with Hull be able to attract more (just my hopeful wish both get relegated) | | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 08:28 - May 29 with 731 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 08:05 - May 29 by football |
He was the butt of many this season - the Lampard tears and those pathetic fist pumps (its odd when managers do it but players is ok). He has an ego and makes everything about him in my opinion whereas KMK just goes about his business quietly and in a more classy manner.
Aa for who is the biggest draw - I'd say us - KMK, Cat 1, improvements to ground, new training facility, proximity to London, ability to spend and pay, a classier non bowl stadium and it isn't Coventry.
Suspect Hull wil struggle |
He’s also had decent spells at Everton and Chelsea, and has been trusted at Derby and Coventry with young players to get their careers going (Mount and Tomori at Derby spring to mind).
He’ll clearly be a big ‘pull’ in terms of his status in the game, so I would say we’re on fairly level ground - maybe McKenna just edging it having been in the Prem more recently than him. |  |
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| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 11:18 - May 29 with 663 views | darkhorse28 |
You might be in for a shock.
The paradox is HulL will be where we were, and what causes my frustration around how we spent money.
They’ll have more P&L headroom, or they would under PSR, maybe not under revenue percentages.
Players are cynical. They could spend MUCH more than us. They don’t have Akpom, Muric, Ogbenne, Johnson etc on huge wages, that are hard to move on, and stop investment (Muric will be relatively easy to move on if think) but other won’t.
Players follow money.
They will like have had a much better opportunity to spend big on a couple of players than us.., Coventry also have that advantage.
What we have is having been here before, is a better chance of staying up/bouncing back, which should be a big attraction.
If all three are in for a player, early in the window, our package won’t match the others.
That’s what a lot of our fans don’t seem to understand. Legacy liabilities frame everything. | | | |
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| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 11:33 - May 29 with 644 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 11:18 - May 29 by darkhorse28 |
You might be in for a shock.
The paradox is HulL will be where we were, and what causes my frustration around how we spent money.
They’ll have more P&L headroom, or they would under PSR, maybe not under revenue percentages.
Players are cynical. They could spend MUCH more than us. They don’t have Akpom, Muric, Ogbenne, Johnson etc on huge wages, that are hard to move on, and stop investment (Muric will be relatively easy to move on if think) but other won’t.
Players follow money.
They will like have had a much better opportunity to spend big on a couple of players than us.., Coventry also have that advantage.
What we have is having been here before, is a better chance of staying up/bouncing back, which should be a big attraction.
If all three are in for a player, early in the window, our package won’t match the others.
That’s what a lot of our fans don’t seem to understand. Legacy liabilities frame everything. |
All 3 are significantly more attractive than Norwich though. |  | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 11:40 - May 29 with 633 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 08:28 - May 29 by Kieran_Knows |
He’s also had decent spells at Everton and Chelsea, and has been trusted at Derby and Coventry with young players to get their careers going (Mount and Tomori at Derby spring to mind).
He’ll clearly be a big ‘pull’ in terms of his status in the game, so I would say we’re on fairly level ground - maybe McKenna just edging it having been in the Prem more recently than him. |
I agree in general, but I'm not sure he was 'trusted with young players" especially at Derby, he was just afforded the privilege of a Chelsea legend going into his first management job and used it.
He definitely seems a decent, intelligent youngish manager. Again though it depends to what extent the player being bought cares and what they want from a manager. Unbiased I think McKenna is probably viewed objectively as a better personal development orientated manager whereas Frank is an intelligent manager who uses his experience and name well. It will be different for different players. No definite 'he'll bring in more players" answer. |  | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 11:56 - May 29 with 607 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 11:18 - May 29 by darkhorse28 |
You might be in for a shock.
The paradox is HulL will be where we were, and what causes my frustration around how we spent money.
They’ll have more P&L headroom, or they would under PSR, maybe not under revenue percentages.
Players are cynical. They could spend MUCH more than us. They don’t have Akpom, Muric, Ogbenne, Johnson etc on huge wages, that are hard to move on, and stop investment (Muric will be relatively easy to move on if think) but other won’t.
Players follow money.
They will like have had a much better opportunity to spend big on a couple of players than us.., Coventry also have that advantage.
What we have is having been here before, is a better chance of staying up/bouncing back, which should be a big attraction.
If all three are in for a player, early in the window, our package won’t match the others.
That’s what a lot of our fans don’t seem to understand. Legacy liabilities frame everything. |
Utter nonsense, as usual. |  |
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| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 13:08 - May 29 with 571 views | Swansea_Blue |
Coventry: yeah, but it’s Coventry
Hull: yeah, but it’s Hull
Us: we’re not Coventry or Hull
It looks a very easy choice to me! |  |
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| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 13:11 - May 29 with 571 views | football |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 11:18 - May 29 by darkhorse28 |
You might be in for a shock.
The paradox is HulL will be where we were, and what causes my frustration around how we spent money.
They’ll have more P&L headroom, or they would under PSR, maybe not under revenue percentages.
Players are cynical. They could spend MUCH more than us. They don’t have Akpom, Muric, Ogbenne, Johnson etc on huge wages, that are hard to move on, and stop investment (Muric will be relatively easy to move on if think) but other won’t.
Players follow money.
They will like have had a much better opportunity to spend big on a couple of players than us.., Coventry also have that advantage.
What we have is having been here before, is a better chance of staying up/bouncing back, which should be a big attraction.
If all three are in for a player, early in the window, our package won’t match the others.
That’s what a lot of our fans don’t seem to understand. Legacy liabilities frame everything. |
I would disagree with this. We have money to spend, and will spend, and can see us having more than Hull and probably Coventry.
Players dont just follow money - many follow for ambition, the right coach and PL. We will be able to offer lucrative packets | | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 13:18 - May 29 with 563 views | Vic |
It sounds like last time we sold the 'project', the development of the club, being part of a trajectory. If the owners are still looking to invest and have real intention of getting us competitive in the Premiership (just for you Hoppy!) then this could be a selling factor. |  |
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| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 23:19 - May 29 with 484 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 09:45 - May 28 by Kieran_Knows |
Turkish Super Lig will take a battering from them this summer. |
And potentially from us too, it might seem…
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| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 23:47 - May 29 with 455 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 11:18 - May 29 by darkhorse28 |
You might be in for a shock.
The paradox is HulL will be where we were, and what causes my frustration around how we spent money.
They’ll have more P&L headroom, or they would under PSR, maybe not under revenue percentages.
Players are cynical. They could spend MUCH more than us. They don’t have Akpom, Muric, Ogbenne, Johnson etc on huge wages, that are hard to move on, and stop investment (Muric will be relatively easy to move on if think) but other won’t.
Players follow money.
They will like have had a much better opportunity to spend big on a couple of players than us.., Coventry also have that advantage.
What we have is having been here before, is a better chance of staying up/bouncing back, which should be a big attraction.
If all three are in for a player, early in the window, our package won’t match the others.
That’s what a lot of our fans don’t seem to understand. Legacy liabilities frame everything. |
” They’ll have more P&L headroom, or they would under PSR, maybe not under revenue percentages.”
Complete poppycock.
They wouldn’t have under PSR, but that’s irrelevant now anyway.
Under SCR, we are way ahead of them on headroom. Excluding TV money (as both will receive a similar amount), Hull’s revenue is £13M compared to Town’s £40M. That alone gives us significantly more headroom for signings and wages. To put that difference in perspective, that could get you 2 £30M signings on £100k/week. Now neither team will push SCR to the limit, I’m sure, but our stronger revenues give us much more headroom. | | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 00:16 - May 30 with 447 views | topguy |
being close to london is always a pull for players, as for manager pull we look at it from fans eyes thinking players will know little about KM but inside the game might be different with his utd ties and spurs and youth setup ties, money we can compete with both, and no matter what never forget the pull of state of the art training facilities players have moved to clubs on things like that alone. | | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 08:23 - May 30 with 364 views | trncbluearmy |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 11:18 - May 29 by darkhorse28 |
You might be in for a shock.
The paradox is HulL will be where we were, and what causes my frustration around how we spent money.
They’ll have more P&L headroom, or they would under PSR, maybe not under revenue percentages.
Players are cynical. They could spend MUCH more than us. They don’t have Akpom, Muric, Ogbenne, Johnson etc on huge wages, that are hard to move on, and stop investment (Muric will be relatively easy to move on if think) but other won’t.
Players follow money.
They will like have had a much better opportunity to spend big on a couple of players than us.., Coventry also have that advantage.
What we have is having been here before, is a better chance of staying up/bouncing back, which should be a big attraction.
If all three are in for a player, early in the window, our package won’t match the others.
That’s what a lot of our fans don’t seem to understand. Legacy liabilities frame everything. |
That's just complete bollicks |  | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 09:03 - May 30 with 343 views | lurcher |
Us and it isn't even close. We have a very attractive recent history and have shown our strength promoting back at the first time of asking. Both Hull and Cov will be prepping for relegation. |  | | |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 18:12 - May 31 with 194 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 09:39 - May 28 by Bellevue_Blue |
Of course everyone has their own opinion but I'm interested to know how you think Lampard is a bigger pull than McKenna.
Purely on his name alone or his actual CV? Because based on what the two have achieved as managers it is not particularly close IMO. |
For me it's McKenna every time of course. But there will be plenty of overseas recruitment here an Lampard is a much bigger name to players (even here). This is a very different question to who is the better manager.
I think it is close but without the my Ipswich specs on it just is Lampard overall as a bigger pull.
Do I think that is right. No. Do I think it is true. Yes I do. | |
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| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 18:19 - May 31 with 188 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 10:21 - May 28 by Churchman |
Manager pull: Equals. After all these years some will recognise Lampard was once a good player
Location: Equals. coventry might be central but you have to live a long way out. It’s a shthole
Wages: Us
Training Ground:Us
Stadium: Equals. Souless bowl, not new v characterful old ground in need of work
Scout Reach: Us now (but close with Coventry who have made some good overseas signings in recent years)
Chance of success: Us/Coventry (there will be different opinions)
Spending power: Us. (Cov and Hull will spend big though) - this is up for debate as well as our bigger spending last time in the prem might cap us more quickly.
In other words, not a lot in it. As McKenna has said we are starting from a far better base than two years ago when most of the above, bar location, would be Coventry. Both will struggle because bar Hull they have least spending power. Let’s hope we are able to use what we have wisely [Post edited 28 May 12:16]
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Absolutely not. You've projected your opinions on manager and stadium (which I personally agree with btw) but this just isn't true for players.
Coventry actually isn't that bad anymore. Huge regen but also players don't live there. They live in Leamington Spa, Warwick, Warwickshire which are very close and very nice affluent places to live. And you can get to London in an hour, Birmingham In 30 mins, Manchester in 2 hours etc. Getting around to games is very easy.
Stadium completely agree with you but without the history or having played at Portman Road or even been. A pretty new, modern stadium would be attractive. Actually I don't agree with soulless bowl. It's a good atmosphere there. Similar fan base to Town. (Obvs we are better!!)
It's pretty equal but hopefully our spend power will elevate us above them if we can get some good signing early doors as well will help. | |
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| Who will be the most attractive promoted side for new signings? on 19:14 - May 31 with 156 views | algy |
We're the only one of the three with a world-class manager, should count for a lot when attracting talent. | |
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