| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) 09:38 - Jun 1 with 11617 views | BlueBadger |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:02 - Jun 2 with 1294 views | Benters |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 06:56 - Jun 2 by StokieBlue |
I'm fine thanks. Why do you ask?
Are you unable to follow a logical argument or are you saying you didn't make those posts?
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I was asking about your well-being.
I’m not getting pulled into an argument with you.
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:13 - Jun 2 with 1273 views | waveneyblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 23:09 - Jun 1 by Bigalhunter |
Baiting
Prodding
You’re welcome.
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:35 - Jun 2 with 1259 views | StokieBlue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:02 - Jun 2 by Benters |
I was asking about your well-being.
I’m not getting pulled into an argument with you.
Enjoy your day. |
Bit odd to be questioning a persons well-being when all they have done is make a post using the illogical argument outlined by another person.
Why aren't you questioning Waveney's well-being given he argued for 5 pages and then constructed that argument?
I think it's pretty clear to most posters what you were doing.
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:44 - Jun 2 with 1237 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 23:05 - Jun 1 by Trequartista |
Sex is binary. You disagree with biology? e.g. Richard Dawkins evolutionary biologist, emeritus fellow of New College, Oxford. |
Yes, he’s an evolutionary biologist looking at the question from the perspective solely of reproduction. Whereas when it comes to medical biology there are other traits that determine how people fit into sex classifications and it’s widely recognised there are a range of factors affecting sexual characteristics such that people don’t always fit neatly into the binary view.
Using Dawkins to justify a stance on sex and gender issues is like having a podiatrist fix your teeth; there’s some common knowledge and expertise but not in the specific area. |  |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:48 - Jun 2 with 1232 views | Mullet |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 23:49 - Jun 1 by Trequartista |
Not quite sure what you mean by a massive variation biologically. Do you mean across men and women there are people expressing themselves in infinite ways, men in dresses, women playing football etc etc? Absolutely. And more power to them. But there are only men and women. Even people with a DSD (formerly intersex) are still men or women I've found out - whichever their reproductive system was designed to do.
Ironically from what I've seen and read, anecdotically of course, people who identify as the opposite sex just want to get on with their lives. They feel how they feel and they don't really need to cross sex-based boundaries. It is the gender ideology i oppose and the activists. |
No, that’s gender which is performative for all of us due to culture.
I’m talking about the idea that sex is absolute and either simply male or female is an evolutionary concept applied to the ability to reproduce. Genetics is incredibly complex and varied too, so the idea that it’s unscientific to argue that doesn’t make sense.
Your last paragraph suggests you’re against anyone discussing it then. Presumably you oppose linehan, Rowling et al as much? “Sex-based boundaries” is a bizarre term too here what does it mean? |  |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:52 - Jun 2 with 1218 views | StokieBlue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:48 - Jun 2 by Mullet |
No, that’s gender which is performative for all of us due to culture.
I’m talking about the idea that sex is absolute and either simply male or female is an evolutionary concept applied to the ability to reproduce. Genetics is incredibly complex and varied too, so the idea that it’s unscientific to argue that doesn’t make sense.
Your last paragraph suggests you’re against anyone discussing it then. Presumably you oppose linehan, Rowling et al as much? “Sex-based boundaries” is a bizarre term too here what does it mean? |
Still concerning that he's also described being trans as possibly being a mental illness.
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 08:00 - Jun 2 with 1205 views | positivity |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 23:04 - Jun 1 by Trequartista |
Wow "hate territory". What has this world become? |
if saying trans people all have a mental illness isn't hateful abuse, i'm not sure what is.
swap out trans for lesbian, jew, white, female and see how that comes across |  |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 08:22 - Jun 2 with 1156 views | NthQldITFC |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:02 - Jun 2 by Benters |
I was asking about your well-being.
I’m not getting pulled into an argument with you.
Enjoy your day. |
Do you live under a bridge, by any chance? |  |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 08:25 - Jun 2 with 1150 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 08:00 - Jun 2 by positivity |
if saying trans people all have a mental illness isn't hateful abuse, i'm not sure what is.
swap out trans for lesbian, jew, white, female and see how that comes across |
It’s ok to swap out for Norwich fan though, yeah? 
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 10:39 - Jun 2 with 1057 views | bartyg |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 22:44 - Jun 1 by Trequartista |
I don't know what else you would call masked attackers that deliberately targeted the man and broke his bones other than "antifa trans-activists"? There is no science behind trans. It could possibly be mental illness. We have to keep an open mind about that not just shut it down because you think it's shocking or not aligning with your team's principles. I thought you were all for critical thinking? Can a man be a woman? |
Mask off moment I see? |  |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 11:03 - Jun 2 with 1008 views | Ryorry |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 23:04 - Jun 1 by positivity |
some people just want to police other people's bodies, very odd, like something from the dark ages |
Shocked to find it was as many countries as this when I looked up where homosexuality is still criminalised - 6 of which impose the death penalty ; and where FGM still takes place -
https://76crimes.com/76-countr
https://www.endfgm.eu/news-en-
Absolutely bloody horrifying. [Post edited 2 Jun 11:05]
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 11:55 - Jun 2 with 934 views | Benters |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:35 - Jun 2 by StokieBlue |
Bit odd to be questioning a persons well-being when all they have done is make a post using the illogical argument outlined by another person.
Why aren't you questioning Waveney's well-being given he argued for 5 pages and then constructed that argument?
I think it's pretty clear to most posters what you were doing.
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How do you know I haven’t asked Waveney if he is ok? | |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:18 - Jun 2 with 885 views | lowhouseblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:48 - Jun 2 by Mullet |
No, that’s gender which is performative for all of us due to culture.
I’m talking about the idea that sex is absolute and either simply male or female is an evolutionary concept applied to the ability to reproduce. Genetics is incredibly complex and varied too, so the idea that it’s unscientific to argue that doesn’t make sense.
Your last paragraph suggests you’re against anyone discussing it then. Presumably you oppose linehan, Rowling et al as much? “Sex-based boundaries” is a bizarre term too here what does it mean? |
sex is biologically binary - large and small gametes and the physical traits associated with that. while, for whatever reasons some people can't produce gametes, and in rare cases classification may be more complex, it is extremely unusual for trans people to be trans because of any uncertainty about the biological sex classification which applies to them. so in a practical sense in discussing people identifying as trans, the exact biological classification of sex in the very small number of human situations where it is in any way uncertain, is a red herring. [Post edited 2 Jun 12:37]
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:35 - Jun 2 with 846 views | StokieBlue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 11:55 - Jun 2 by Benters |
How do you know I haven’t asked Waveney if he is ok? |
Maybe you have, in which case why have you asked him in private and me in public?
Pathetic stuff from you once again, it's obvious what you were doing as other posters have pointed out.
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:38 - Jun 2 with 826 views | Mullet |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:18 - Jun 2 by lowhouseblue |
sex is biologically binary - large and small gametes and the physical traits associated with that. while, for whatever reasons some people can't produce gametes, and in rare cases classification may be more complex, it is extremely unusual for trans people to be trans because of any uncertainty about the biological sex classification which applies to them. so in a practical sense in discussing people identifying as trans, the exact biological classification of sex in the very small number of human situations where it is in any way uncertain, is a red herring. [Post edited 2 Jun 12:37]
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:41 - Jun 2 with 802 views | lowhouseblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:38 - Jun 2 by Mullet |
You’re arguing a different thing badly. |
you're attempting a weak put down rather than responding to what's been posted. | |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:45 - Jun 2 with 796 views | Mullet |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:41 - Jun 2 by lowhouseblue |
you're attempting a weak put down rather than responding to what's been posted. |
No, you shilling for the far right perspective again doesn’t really warrant much energy. You clearly don’t understand the science either, or think you know better than the experts in those fields.
Again in terms of reproduction sex is indeed binary, but it’s a lot more complex than gcse level. Let alone, observable in society hence why not every man or woman looks the same, has the same traits and attributes and we assign those as masculine or feminine alongside cultural concepts like gender. | |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:00 - Jun 2 with 753 views | lowhouseblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:45 - Jun 2 by Mullet |
No, you shilling for the far right perspective again doesn’t really warrant much energy. You clearly don’t understand the science either, or think you know better than the experts in those fields.
Again in terms of reproduction sex is indeed binary, but it’s a lot more complex than gcse level. Let alone, observable in society hence why not every man or woman looks the same, has the same traits and attributes and we assign those as masculine or feminine alongside cultural concepts like gender. |
biology is not about how people look. the classification of biological sex is on the basis of gamete size. gamete size is typically associated with traits such as genitals. but, as i said, in humans that still leaves a very small number of situations in which there is remaining uncertainty.
yes, gender is completely separate and is socially determined.
situations in which human biological sex is in practical terms indeterminate are very rare and are not typically a reason why some people choose to identify as trans. so in the context of trans identification any biological uncertainty is pretty irrelevant.
that you resort to attempted insults, and try to belittle the understanding of others, and try put downs rather than responding to arguments, really isn't to your credit. | |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:02 - Jun 2 with 744 views | eireblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 07:48 - Jun 2 by Mullet |
No, that’s gender which is performative for all of us due to culture.
I’m talking about the idea that sex is absolute and either simply male or female is an evolutionary concept applied to the ability to reproduce. Genetics is incredibly complex and varied too, so the idea that it’s unscientific to argue that doesn’t make sense.
Your last paragraph suggests you’re against anyone discussing it then. Presumably you oppose linehan, Rowling et al as much? “Sex-based boundaries” is a bizarre term too here what does it mean? |
It is fascinating that people defer to a biological construct.
2 billion years ago, a single cell organism, started to replicate, sexually.
Plants, fungi, many animals, including mammals evolved from this common ancestor.
Since then humans have developed a thing called a brain, which is so complex, science doesn’t fully understand it.
Funny, evolution is that thing where variations can occur leading to changes in how a particular individual operates in its surroundings, sometimes successfully.
There are intersex humans, produced by that process of chemicals combining in a certain way to produce that outcome.
One thing that is kinda known about the brain, male and female brains seem to have slightly different characteristics.
The brain is also known to somewhat influence certain things like personality traits, to a certain degree.
But for some strange reason, certain people want to put human beings into one of two boxes, based on something that is common to plants and mushrooms, and is 2 billion years old.
Rather than consider something that has happened a bit more recently in evolutionary time, and is a bit more unique to humans, people rather consider a property of humans that is common with Asparagus. [Post edited 2 Jun 13:04]
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:15 - Jun 2 with 678 views | lowhouseblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:02 - Jun 2 by eireblue |
It is fascinating that people defer to a biological construct.
2 billion years ago, a single cell organism, started to replicate, sexually.
Plants, fungi, many animals, including mammals evolved from this common ancestor.
Since then humans have developed a thing called a brain, which is so complex, science doesn’t fully understand it.
Funny, evolution is that thing where variations can occur leading to changes in how a particular individual operates in its surroundings, sometimes successfully.
There are intersex humans, produced by that process of chemicals combining in a certain way to produce that outcome.
One thing that is kinda known about the brain, male and female brains seem to have slightly different characteristics.
The brain is also known to somewhat influence certain things like personality traits, to a certain degree.
But for some strange reason, certain people want to put human beings into one of two boxes, based on something that is common to plants and mushrooms, and is 2 billion years old.
Rather than consider something that has happened a bit more recently in evolutionary time, and is a bit more unique to humans, people rather consider a property of humans that is common with Asparagus. [Post edited 2 Jun 13:04]
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stuff "that has happened a bit more recently in evolutionary time" hasn't made biology go away. for most people biology remains a determinant, at least in part, of who they are and their life experience. of course other things like cultural norms matter as well, but there are very good reasons for the law to recognise the importance of biology (sex) and to enforce protections on that basis - it reflects a history of power, abuse and exploitation and the lived experience of women. attempting to dismiss the significance of biology or to claim that in practical terms biological sex based classifications are in some vague way inoperable is very regressive. | |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:24 - Jun 2 with 650 views | eireblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:15 - Jun 2 by lowhouseblue |
stuff "that has happened a bit more recently in evolutionary time" hasn't made biology go away. for most people biology remains a determinant, at least in part, of who they are and their life experience. of course other things like cultural norms matter as well, but there are very good reasons for the law to recognise the importance of biology (sex) and to enforce protections on that basis - it reflects a history of power, abuse and exploitation and the lived experience of women. attempting to dismiss the significance of biology or to claim that in practical terms biological sex based classifications are in some vague way inoperable is very regressive. |
“ it reflects a history of power, abuse and exploitation and the lived experience of women.”
So nothing to do with the common trait you have with Asparagus then.
Excellent, so you agree, let’s move on, from putting people in one of two boxes. | | | |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:33 - Jun 2 with 606 views | lowhouseblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:24 - Jun 2 by eireblue |
“ it reflects a history of power, abuse and exploitation and the lived experience of women.”
So nothing to do with the common trait you have with Asparagus then.
Excellent, so you agree, let’s move on, from putting people in one of two boxes. |
those things are based in biology (sex).
you dismiss sex-based legal protections with an attempt to compare women to asparagus? how's the old misogyny working out for you then? | |
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:45 - Jun 2 with 575 views | waveneyblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 12:35 - Jun 2 by StokieBlue |
Maybe you have, in which case why have you asked him in private and me in public?
Pathetic stuff from you once again, it's obvious what you were doing as other posters have pointed out.
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| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 14:12 - Jun 2 with 530 views | eireblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 13:33 - Jun 2 by lowhouseblue |
those things are based in biology (sex).
you dismiss sex-based legal protections with an attempt to compare women to asparagus? how's the old misogyny working out for you then? |
“ So nothing to do with the common trait you have with Asparagus then.”
I was comparing a common trait from and ancestor that was developed 2 billion years ago, that both you, as in you, since that is the word I used, with an Asparagus.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear enough for you.
When did I dismiss anything to do with lived experience of women or legal protections.
Accusing someone of misogyny, is similar to accusing someone of racism. I would regard that as abuse.
Explain how pointing out that you, as in you, have a common biological process with a vegetable, developed by a common ancestor 2 billion years ago, is misogynistic?
So I would like you to either explain, or apologise. | | | |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 14:22 - Jun 2 with 504 views | lowhouseblue |
| A very happy 'but when is it straight pride' month to you all (n/t) on 14:12 - Jun 2 by eireblue |
“ So nothing to do with the common trait you have with Asparagus then.”
I was comparing a common trait from and ancestor that was developed 2 billion years ago, that both you, as in you, since that is the word I used, with an Asparagus.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear enough for you.
When did I dismiss anything to do with lived experience of women or legal protections.
Accusing someone of misogyny, is similar to accusing someone of racism. I would regard that as abuse.
Explain how pointing out that you, as in you, have a common biological process with a vegetable, developed by a common ancestor 2 billion years ago, is misogynistic?
So I would like you to either explain, or apologise. |
dismissing the significance of biological (sex) based legal protections for women is misogynist. if you don't accept the relevance of biological categories in a modern human context, even if their origins are 2 billion years into the past, that's what you're doing. yes, we share common biological traits with asparagus but recognising their different impact is still important. | |
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