| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. 08:05 - Jun 11 with 2414 views | Bellevue_Blue |
Rob Edwards, Liam Rosenier, Gary O'Neill, Ange, Dyche ... They're not really Mark Ashton type appointments.
2005 - Hired Aidy Boothryd giving him his first job aged 34
2008 - Hired Brendan Rodgers giving him his first job aged 35
2016 - Hired Lee Johnson aged 35, from League 1 Barnsley giving him his first taste of Championship Football
2020 - Hired Lee Johnson's right hand man, Dean Holden giving him his first job in football aged 40
2021 - Hired Nigel Pearson to get them out of trouble. His only outlier.
2021 - Hired Kieran Mckenna giving him his first job aged 35
He clearly likes to have a younger profile of manager, someone who is a relative unknown, a tactician and a coach with something to prove.
I'd be amazed if our next manager was not a younger manager who is experiencing the Premier League for the first time. Maybe not as their first job, but first in the PL.
{Edited to include Brendan Rodgers}
[Post edited 11 Jun 8:16]
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:07 - Jun 11 with 2074 views | USA |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:09 - Jun 11 with 2039 views | WeirdFishes |
He also gave Brendan Rodgers his first job. |  |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:12 - Jun 11 with 1983 views | Ftnfwest |
I’ve seen hellberg links already which I think could fit, otherwise likely to be a relatively unknown young manager. The only issue having said all that is that being unknown and coming into an underperforming club in L1 is a lot different to our situation now so it may be someone who’s managed at the top level already this time. |  | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:12 - Jun 11 with 1966 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Miguel Molina. Welcome to Ipswich |  |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:27 - Jun 11 with 1805 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Likes to have someone he can control. |  |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:31 - Jun 11 with 1741 views | jas0999 |
Nows not the time for that. | | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:31 - Jun 11 with 1738 views | itfcserbia |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:27 - Jun 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Likes to have someone he can control. |
My thought exactly |  |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:33 - Jun 11 with 1715 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:31 - Jun 11 by jas0999 |
Nows not the time for that. |
For what?
Discussing new managers?
Now is exactly the time. | |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:40 - Jun 11 with 1634 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:27 - Jun 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Likes to have someone he can control. |
That's football nowadays. Only 3 PL managers are older than 50.
I think you can look at it that way, or you can view it through the lens of him identifying 2 of the best young UK based coaches (Rodgers & Mckenna) in the last 20 years each of whom have gone on to be good PL managers.
If he does the same again, i'm not sure anyone will worry what the hierarchy looks like. [Post edited 11 Jun 8:49]
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:47 - Jun 11 with 1553 views | SitfcB |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:33 - Jun 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
For what?
Discussing new managers?
Now is exactly the time. |
For a young inexperienced coach. |  |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:51 - Jun 11 with 1512 views | jasondozzell |
We're now going to be torn between continuing the 'model' (young coach with all the philosophy stuff, someone exciting and a bit leftfield) or taking the pragmatic route to try and survive with a GON or Cooper type.
Thomas Frank ticks both boxes but looks beyond our reach. |  | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 09:24 - Jun 11 with 1332 views | Meadowlark |
I like this.
I don't want a manager who comes here and says "I have nothing to prove!"
I want another McKenna. |  | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 09:26 - Jun 11 with 1302 views | PhilTWTD |
True, but it's probably too big a job now for someone's first role. I know Edwards was on the list a couple of years ago, so would expect him to be in the running to some degree. |  | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 09:47 - Jun 11 with 1123 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 09:26 - Jun 11 by PhilTWTD |
True, but it's probably too big a job now for someone's first role. I know Edwards was on the list a couple of years ago, so would expect him to be in the running to some degree. |
I agree re first role. The only one is Anthony Barry but he would be a huge risk.
It's more the unknown quantity that he clearly values. He's rarely sought to hire experienced managers who have failed in the division before in the hope it will be different.
Will he see past that with O'Neill, Edwards, Rosenior? I'm sure they will all be interviewed either way. [Post edited 11 Jun 9:51]
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:03 - Jun 11 with 1023 views | lowhouseblue |
is it really the right time for someone inexperienced? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:15 - Jun 11 with 930 views | nrb1985 |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:12 - Jun 11 by Ftnfwest |
I’ve seen hellberg links already which I think could fit, otherwise likely to be a relatively unknown young manager. The only issue having said all that is that being unknown and coming into an underperforming club in L1 is a lot different to our situation now so it may be someone who’s managed at the top level already this time. |
Would be my choice absent another left field KM style appointment. | | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:16 - Jun 11 with 923 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:03 - Jun 11 by lowhouseblue |
is it really the right time for someone inexperienced? |
It might not be right but I just wanted to highlight that Ashton rarely hires known quantities.
He's almost exclusively hired very experienced coaches who are inexperienced managers.
Could he change tack now? Of course! But given he's been so successful with that model, I cant see it. [Post edited 11 Jun 10:17]
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:18 - Jun 11 with 900 views | LankHenners |
Mark Ashton has never had to make a decision as big as this in his professional career.
Not sure we can really afford to have someone learning on the job to a degree and just hope they have the same impact McKenna had when he came in but in a massively more difficult environment, but then again the names likely to be/already being bandied about are across the board very uninspiring.
Maybe there's a middle ground where we look further afield and find a coach in Europe who has some experience behind them but has a higher ceiling than your O'Neils, Edwards, Roseniors etc. |  |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:20 - Jun 11 with 862 views | BlueMoon |
If the ideal candidate isn't there could be an opportunity for a shorter term appointment with experience of staying up. Get Frank or somebody else in a year's time | | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:24 - Jun 11 with 820 views | DanTheMan |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 09:26 - Jun 11 by PhilTWTD |
True, but it's probably too big a job now for someone's first role. I know Edwards was on the list a couple of years ago, so would expect him to be in the running to some degree. |
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| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:27 - Jun 11 with 791 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 09:26 - Jun 11 by PhilTWTD |
True, but it's probably too big a job now for someone's first role. I know Edwards was on the list a couple of years ago, so would expect him to be in the running to some degree. |
I'd have thought we are already well down the line with someone? The timing of this announcement must have some relevance considering his decision hasn't come out the blue to MA/the owners? | | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:30 - Jun 11 with 753 views | lazyblue |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:27 - Jun 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Likes to have someone he can control. |
‘Work with’ were the words you were looking for . | | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:31 - Jun 11 with 746 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:27 - Jun 11 by tractorboy1978 |
I'd have thought we are already well down the line with someone? The timing of this announcement must have some relevance considering his decision hasn't come out the blue to MA/the owners? |
I'm not so sure. Ashton is clearly someone who really values in person meetings. Didn't he say he interviewed KM in a hotel or service station? something like that.
I suspect he will want to properly interview O'Neill, Edwards, Rosenier as well as some other left field candidates before making a decision. | | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:33 - Jun 11 with 720 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:31 - Jun 11 by Bellevue_Blue |
I'm not so sure. Ashton is clearly someone who really values in person meetings. Didn't he say he interviewed KM in a hotel or service station? something like that.
I suspect he will want to properly interview O'Neill, Edwards, Rosenier as well as some other left field candidates before making a decision. |
How do we know that hasn't already happened? Not necessarily those managers but I'd have thought we started getting on with pinpointing his replacement two weeks ago. | | | |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 10:33 - Jun 11 with 715 views | nrb1985 |
| Mark Ashton has almost exclusively hired young coaches with something to prove.. on 08:12 - Jun 11 by Ftnfwest |
I’ve seen hellberg links already which I think could fit, otherwise likely to be a relatively unknown young manager. The only issue having said all that is that being unknown and coming into an underperforming club in L1 is a lot different to our situation now so it may be someone who’s managed at the top level already this time. |
Would be my choice absent another left field KM style appointment. | | | |
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