| OGS 07:57 - Jun 17 with 7885 views | itfctilidie |
Haven't been sold on the idea personally but having spoke to a Manc at work I'm a bit more on board. Apparently his scouting at United was really good but they didn't buy the players he identified. Scouting is obviously being an area we have lacked in so I feel as much as we need a good manager, we need one who is well connected and I guess Ole is given his history in the game |  | | |  |
| OGS on 14:13 - Jun 17 with 1269 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| OGS on 12:25 - Jun 17 by Vic |
Several of you are less than positive about OGS - but it seems to me that there is no one that really floats our boat.
We could you for an unknown and strike gold again - but we wont know that until a few months in. Until then it would be a gamble with low confidence levels of paying off.
Or we can go down the route of an OGS or Brendan Rogers - tried and tested and above average success rate in the Prem. They know their way around, have lots of contacts and respect in the game.
At this point in time they are who I'd go with. Are there others with better records? |
If the choice was between those two, I'm going for Brendan Rodgers every time. The main argument in favour of OGS appears to be that he knows people who know the club. |  | | |
| OGS on 14:53 - Jun 17 with 1146 views | jayessess |
Pretty much anyone gettable for us is going to fall into one of two buckets:
(1) Someone with a mixed CV in the Premier League.
(2) Someone with no CV at all in the Premier League.
Amongst those OGS strikes me as pretty low risk. Competent clubs tend to look for managerial appointments that are tactically compatible with their predecessor, which obviously Solskjaer is. We would not have to rip up our current squad planning.
He's evidently going to be well-connected in terms of agents, managers, players, will have good global knowledge for recruitment, all of which addresses problems we've had over the past two seasons.
His actual managerial record is pretty steady, nothing too remarkable, nothing too disastrous. I wouldn't anticipate us underachieving massively relative to the players available (though I'm not sure I'd anticipate us massively over-achieving either). |  |
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| OGS on 14:56 - Jun 17 with 1123 views | tractorboy1978 |
| OGS on 14:53 - Jun 17 by jayessess |
Pretty much anyone gettable for us is going to fall into one of two buckets:
(1) Someone with a mixed CV in the Premier League.
(2) Someone with no CV at all in the Premier League.
Amongst those OGS strikes me as pretty low risk. Competent clubs tend to look for managerial appointments that are tactically compatible with their predecessor, which obviously Solskjaer is. We would not have to rip up our current squad planning.
He's evidently going to be well-connected in terms of agents, managers, players, will have good global knowledge for recruitment, all of which addresses problems we've had over the past two seasons.
His actual managerial record is pretty steady, nothing too remarkable, nothing too disastrous. I wouldn't anticipate us underachieving massively relative to the players available (though I'm not sure I'd anticipate us massively over-achieving either). |
A good summary of how I feel about his potential appointment too. | | | |
| OGS on 15:12 - Jun 17 with 1026 views | PioneerBlue |
| OGS on 08:48 - Jun 17 by DanTheMan |
Obviously if he comes, he gets my full support but frankly I'd be underwhelmed if this is who we go with.
Without the McKenna link, I struggle to see why we'd choose him. |
I dont disagree but any manager we choose has to start from scratch in order to build the legacy that KMck left with, in the past weve had underwhelming/ underperforming known managers and the opposite. What we have now is a stable structure, culture, and operating environment to introduce a new manager into and that will hopefully support any candidate we choose to succeed. If it doesnt work it will not be without the club trying, replacing KMck is not an enviable situ to manage. | |
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| OGS on 15:20 - Jun 17 with 978 views | LuciBlue |
| OGS on 09:39 - Jun 17 by darkhorse28 |
Jesus. Yeah there’s levels of fantasy. The worst recruitment in the history of football, but if my auntie only had balls!!
They love him (as a player) he gave his career to be a sub, and scored the winner in a champions league final, he’s rightly lorded, as a player.
I’d suggest maybe more critical evaluation sees a really poor manager who actually only had excuses, it’s and buts.
We don’t know if that’s right. It probably isn’t. BUT what about Cardiff, Turkey and Norway - in all three cases HE was the big show and 100% would have been able to scout and recruit.
I’ll do the critical thinking but for you - he’s signed 48 players in his management career …, 45 of them are dreadful!!!
At EVERY club. And he shouldn’t criticise other people doing his scouting at Utd because Bruno is one of the few exceptions, and he didn’t scout him then, his record where he was in charge of recruitment is even worse than the Utd recruitment that killed a club.
Can’t believe you’d believe a Utd fan on Ole - it’s like asking you about John Warks management skills - probably Pep if he got a chance, legend!! WAKE UP
Such a lazy, terrible appointment with zero merit and just status, ALL that is wrong with having one mans ego run a football club.
You can go and look at Oles signings on transfer market anytime you wish, lots of time now to judge his signings careers…, you can save the time 95% missed and mostly dreadful, worse the more control he had!!!
Ask the Utd fan why that’s! …, maybe he’ll mumble something something champions league goal.
If we were signing the player, brilliant, great player for sure, manager 1/10…., and opposite of McKenna .., isn’t hungry because she had all the success in the world as a player …, he’s failed, failed, failed, then he failed again.
We have elite status and resources, this would be a pathetic appointment, lazy decision making, and even if he did well, shows where we are as a club.., and it’s not elite.
We won’t get 15 points with Ole.., dreadful. |
Isn't it tiring to be this depressing all the time? Gloomy Eeyore. |  |
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| OGS on 15:23 - Jun 17 with 963 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| OGS on 14:53 - Jun 17 by jayessess |
Pretty much anyone gettable for us is going to fall into one of two buckets:
(1) Someone with a mixed CV in the Premier League.
(2) Someone with no CV at all in the Premier League.
Amongst those OGS strikes me as pretty low risk. Competent clubs tend to look for managerial appointments that are tactically compatible with their predecessor, which obviously Solskjaer is. We would not have to rip up our current squad planning.
He's evidently going to be well-connected in terms of agents, managers, players, will have good global knowledge for recruitment, all of which addresses problems we've had over the past two seasons.
His actual managerial record is pretty steady, nothing too remarkable, nothing too disastrous. I wouldn't anticipate us underachieving massively relative to the players available (though I'm not sure I'd anticipate us massively over-achieving either). |
He's been a Football Manager for 7 out of the last 55 months. He's worked with about 30 players in the last 5 years.
He might have been well-connected in terms of agents, managers, players but he's worked with them for a tiny amount of time in the last 5 years!
Football moves fast and managers/ coaches who have been managers for the past 5 years will be better connected and informed. That cannot be a reason we bring him in. | | | |
| OGS on 15:32 - Jun 17 with 910 views | N2_Blue |
| OGS on 15:23 - Jun 17 by Bellevue_Blue |
He's been a Football Manager for 7 out of the last 55 months. He's worked with about 30 players in the last 5 years.
He might have been well-connected in terms of agents, managers, players but he's worked with them for a tiny amount of time in the last 5 years!
Football moves fast and managers/ coaches who have been managers for the past 5 years will be better connected and informed. That cannot be a reason we bring him in. |
Ticks plenty of the boxes for me.
I'd be very happy with his appointment.
Think peope focus too much on the Cardiff experience. If people assessed Mckenna on our PL season they'd think he was crap.
Has worked with some of the best....studies the game....talks well....well connected....respected.
Delivered at Molde, achieved 2nd with United which is by far and away as good as anything UTD have done recently, look at his ranking in win ratio's of United managers (He is 54% with only Feguson and Mourinho significantly better).
Beiktas is just a bit of an oddity, they've been crap whoever they've had so that suggests problems are more deep that the manager.
Appeals to me more than any of the other names we have been linked with apart from maybe Knudsen....but that no longer looks a possibility. |  |
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| OGS on 15:36 - Jun 17 with 894 views | hype313 |
| OGS on 15:12 - Jun 17 by PioneerBlue |
I dont disagree but any manager we choose has to start from scratch in order to build the legacy that KMck left with, in the past weve had underwhelming/ underperforming known managers and the opposite. What we have now is a stable structure, culture, and operating environment to introduce a new manager into and that will hopefully support any candidate we choose to succeed. If it doesnt work it will not be without the club trying, replacing KMck is not an enviable situ to manage. |
The problem we have is that if you stand McKenna next to all of those mentioned, everyone else looks a downgrade.
So we have to go for the least worst option, which isn't ideal going into a PL Campaign. |  |
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| OGS on 15:48 - Jun 17 with 821 views | BseaBlue |
| OGS on 15:36 - Jun 17 by hype313 |
The problem we have is that if you stand McKenna next to all of those mentioned, everyone else looks a downgrade.
So we have to go for the least worst option, which isn't ideal going into a PL Campaign. |
That is the issue that I'm having to get my own head around. Everything feels a bit 'meh' but purely because of the KM comparison.
In the grand scheme of things, recruiting a manager that has finished as a runner up in the Prem, managed in the Champions league and a European final should be considered a decent result. |  | | |
| OGS on 15:57 - Jun 17 with 778 views | portmanking |
| OGS on 15:48 - Jun 17 by BseaBlue |
That is the issue that I'm having to get my own head around. Everything feels a bit 'meh' but purely because of the KM comparison.
In the grand scheme of things, recruiting a manager that has finished as a runner up in the Prem, managed in the Champions league and a European final should be considered a decent result. |
In your final paragraph, when you put it like that it does seem a little churlish to be feeling that way.
However, I'm led to believe a lot of that success was driven by KMac and Carrick day-to-day. He seems to be quite a streaky manager - winning runs then unable to turn around losing runs. Would he have got any other PL job than Man Utd? Probably not. Would most half-decent managers have got a good tune out of that United squad? Quite possibly.
He's hardly been active in the world of management either. | | | |
| OGS on 16:02 - Jun 17 with 730 views | BseaBlue |
| OGS on 15:57 - Jun 17 by portmanking |
In your final paragraph, when you put it like that it does seem a little churlish to be feeling that way.
However, I'm led to believe a lot of that success was driven by KMac and Carrick day-to-day. He seems to be quite a streaky manager - winning runs then unable to turn around losing runs. Would he have got any other PL job than Man Utd? Probably not. Would most half-decent managers have got a good tune out of that United squad? Quite possibly.
He's hardly been active in the world of management either. |
Hard one to judge as United were a bit of a mess but he managed to get successful finishes in the champions league and he also did a decent job at Molde.
You'd like to think he would have his own coaching setup with him. As I said, I'm hardly inspired by it but then there is hardly any names we have been linked with which have got the juices flowing. | | | |
| OGS on 16:10 - Jun 17 with 678 views | andyblue231 |
We should got for Hellberg. A better coach and if we get relegated we've got a great championship manager for the season after.
OGS is no more likely to keep us up IMO and if we do go down, there's no way he's he best bet for a championship promotion campaign. He failed to do exactly that with Cardiff.
We'd be firing him and rehiring from a lower base. We'll be in for Edwards and Rosenior and the like. OGS is a huge gamble for me. | | | |
| OGS on 16:20 - Jun 17 with 615 views | PioneerBlue |
| OGS on 16:10 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
We should got for Hellberg. A better coach and if we get relegated we've got a great championship manager for the season after.
OGS is no more likely to keep us up IMO and if we do go down, there's no way he's he best bet for a championship promotion campaign. He failed to do exactly that with Cardiff.
We'd be firing him and rehiring from a lower base. We'll be in for Edwards and Rosenior and the like. OGS is a huge gamble for me. |
This is an interesting angle and one we should be considering ie avoid more change in a year but it would probably mean weighting championship experience over higher level experience and rule out certain profile candidates such as OGS. I dont see us doing that, i imagine we will attempt to hire the best we can for now, that tomorrow scenario might never arrive! | |
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| OGS on 16:22 - Jun 17 with 599 views | ottovonbismark |
I'm tending towards underwhelmed by the prospect of OGS.
But we also need to be realistic - we are a team whose main aim will be to avoid relegation. Hardly the stuff of football nirvana.
I simply don't know enough about football to say who will be a good or bad appointment. There's always the element of the unknown about it. Some managers work well at some clubs and some don't. Some clubs can't be fixed.
I would be happy to avoid relegation. If OGS, if it is to be him, can achieve that then so be it. No matter who we plum for it's a risk, nothing's guaranteed. | | | |
| OGS on 16:23 - Jun 17 with 596 views | NthQldITFC |
| OGS on 15:20 - Jun 17 by LuciBlue |
Isn't it tiring to be this depressing all the time? Gloomy Eeyore. |
I made the mistake of reading this thread before logging in so I saw most of that ream of absolute drivel from this poster. As far as I can make out every aspect of ITFC, past, present or speculative future is rubbish according to it.
I don't like expressing anything as a certainty - you should always have some healthy doubt about any opinion you hold - but as far as I am concerned this one IS a budgie troll, and I can't understand why it's still spewing out its pointless bitter bile all over this forum. |  |
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| OGS on 16:23 - Jun 17 with 596 views | N2_Blue |
| OGS on 16:10 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
We should got for Hellberg. A better coach and if we get relegated we've got a great championship manager for the season after.
OGS is no more likely to keep us up IMO and if we do go down, there's no way he's he best bet for a championship promotion campaign. He failed to do exactly that with Cardiff.
We'd be firing him and rehiring from a lower base. We'll be in for Edwards and Rosenior and the like. OGS is a huge gamble for me. |
I like Hellberg's background but ultimately Boro finished the season very disappointingly.
They then had not one, but two more chances to seal promotion and fluffed both. | |
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| OGS on 16:25 - Jun 17 with 582 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| OGS on 15:32 - Jun 17 by N2_Blue |
Ticks plenty of the boxes for me.
I'd be very happy with his appointment.
Think peope focus too much on the Cardiff experience. If people assessed Mckenna on our PL season they'd think he was crap.
Has worked with some of the best....studies the game....talks well....well connected....respected.
Delivered at Molde, achieved 2nd with United which is by far and away as good as anything UTD have done recently, look at his ranking in win ratio's of United managers (He is 54% with only Feguson and Mourinho significantly better).
Beiktas is just a bit of an oddity, they've been crap whoever they've had so that suggests problems are more deep that the manager.
Appeals to me more than any of the other names we have been linked with apart from maybe Knudsen....but that no longer looks a possibility. |
'Think people focus too much on the Cardiff experience.'
That is the most relevant experience to draw from for a club like us! And then the kicker is he got sacked in the Championship after making a really poor start. The idea that the United experience is more transferable is crazy to me.
Carrick walked into United and did brilliantly. Van Nistelroy walked into United and won 3/4 games. Carrick got sacked by a Championship club not long ago, Van Nistelroy is at best a Championship manager on the evidence at Leicester. They thrive under the leadership of former players.
Besiktas are crap, Cardiff isn't relevant ... thats 50% of the jobs he's had.
I understand why people want OGS but I don't think you can discount half his experience as well as the big break. He would be coming here with a massive amount to prove and it would be a big risk for us (I think that is the case for most candidates if i am honest) | | | |
| OGS on 16:25 - Jun 17 with 582 views | hype313 |
| OGS on 16:10 - Jun 17 by andyblue231 |
We should got for Hellberg. A better coach and if we get relegated we've got a great championship manager for the season after.
OGS is no more likely to keep us up IMO and if we do go down, there's no way he's he best bet for a championship promotion campaign. He failed to do exactly that with Cardiff.
We'd be firing him and rehiring from a lower base. We'll be in for Edwards and Rosenior and the like. OGS is a huge gamble for me. |
I don't get the fascination with Hellberg, didn't he snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory? Essentially done well with one player and when that player got inured the whole thing fell apart. | |
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| OGS on 16:31 - Jun 17 with 554 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| OGS on 16:25 - Jun 17 by hype313 |
I don't get the fascination with Hellberg, didn't he snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory? Essentially done well with one player and when that player got inured the whole thing fell apart. |
All the data told a slightly different story in terms of players being wasteful despite tactics getting them opportunities.
Boro were highly effective at getting the ball into the final third, ranking 2nd in the Championship with 659 shots attempted (just behind Coventry’s 671). Under Hellberg, they averaged 16.5 shot attempts per game.
Across the entire 2025/26 campaign, Middlesbrough finished with a total 7.2% conversion rate (scoring 72 goals from 995 recorded attacking sequences/shots), which placed them among the most wasteful teams relative to their territorial dominance. | | | |
| OGS on 16:40 - Jun 17 with 513 views | portmanking |
| OGS on 16:31 - Jun 17 by Bellevue_Blue |
All the data told a slightly different story in terms of players being wasteful despite tactics getting them opportunities.
Boro were highly effective at getting the ball into the final third, ranking 2nd in the Championship with 659 shots attempted (just behind Coventry’s 671). Under Hellberg, they averaged 16.5 shot attempts per game.
Across the entire 2025/26 campaign, Middlesbrough finished with a total 7.2% conversion rate (scoring 72 goals from 995 recorded attacking sequences/shots), which placed them among the most wasteful teams relative to their territorial dominance. |
I would also add that Boro 'passed the eye test' IMO. They were comfortably the best on the ball and had such a fluid structure. If they had a parachute club level striker they'd have pipped us to 2nd, I'm certain of it.
Would Hellberg's approach be more naive at PL level? Possibly. But I'd hope we've at least spoken to him. | | | |
| OGS on 16:40 - Jun 17 with 511 views | N2_Blue |
| OGS on 16:25 - Jun 17 by Bellevue_Blue |
'Think people focus too much on the Cardiff experience.'
That is the most relevant experience to draw from for a club like us! And then the kicker is he got sacked in the Championship after making a really poor start. The idea that the United experience is more transferable is crazy to me.
Carrick walked into United and did brilliantly. Van Nistelroy walked into United and won 3/4 games. Carrick got sacked by a Championship club not long ago, Van Nistelroy is at best a Championship manager on the evidence at Leicester. They thrive under the leadership of former players.
Besiktas are crap, Cardiff isn't relevant ... thats 50% of the jobs he's had.
I understand why people want OGS but I don't think you can discount half his experience as well as the big break. He would be coming here with a massive amount to prove and it would be a big risk for us (I think that is the case for most candidates if i am honest) |
Well how long did Ole get in that Champ season...7 games?
They were unbeaten in their first 3 with two wins so then lets say had a bad run of four games. They had 8 points, not horrendous. There were a huge amount of people calling for Mckenna to be fired at points this season and we certainly had a slow start.
**Edit for comparison**
Town had 10 points after 7 games this season, so just two more than OGS had with Cardiff before getting sacked [Post edited 17 Jun 16:47]
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| OGS on 16:51 - Jun 17 with 455 views | Hermann_eats_puffin |
Whoever the new manager / coaches set up is from reading this it seemingly won't involve Phil Jones (who has been mentioned in some rumours) because he has been announced by Sheffield United as a first team coach:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo |  | | |
| OGS on 16:51 - Jun 17 with 452 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| OGS on 16:40 - Jun 17 by N2_Blue |
Well how long did Ole get in that Champ season...7 games?
They were unbeaten in their first 3 with two wins so then lets say had a bad run of four games. They had 8 points, not horrendous. There were a huge amount of people calling for Mckenna to be fired at points this season and we certainly had a slow start.
**Edit for comparison**
Town had 10 points after 7 games this season, so just two more than OGS had with Cardiff before getting sacked [Post edited 17 Jun 16:47]
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But then you have to consider why he got 7 games ...
The answer is because they had no faith in him to turn it around. Might have been his tactics, might have been man management etc. Whatever it is, he failed to convince people in the building every day that he was the man to turn it around.
That is worrying.
KM had won promotion from the league previously with 96 points. It's obvious why he was afforded more time. | | | |
| OGS on 17:08 - Jun 17 with 373 views | N2_Blue |
| OGS on 16:51 - Jun 17 by Bellevue_Blue |
But then you have to consider why he got 7 games ...
The answer is because they had no faith in him to turn it around. Might have been his tactics, might have been man management etc. Whatever it is, he failed to convince people in the building every day that he was the man to turn it around.
That is worrying.
KM had won promotion from the league previously with 96 points. It's obvious why he was afforded more time. |
No think that says more about Cardiff's ownership.
Teams that have come down from the PL, epseically those with an immediate return have often struggled or made slow starts.
Even his Besiktas spell wasn't that bad. Won 15 of 29 games so still over 50% win ratio. The only spell OGS hasn't managed a 50% win ratio is Cardiff. He generally has a very good record.
Even allowing for the Cardiff spell he has a better win ratio than Mckenna.
Mckenna 222 games 105 wins 64 draws 53 losses 47.3%
Solkjaer 471 games 250 wins 94 draws 127 losses 53.08%
It doesn't mean anything but i just think there is a negative preception of OGS because of one Cardiff spell | |
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| OGS on 17:28 - Jun 17 with 305 views | newlurker |
| OGS on 15:32 - Jun 17 by N2_Blue |
Ticks plenty of the boxes for me.
I'd be very happy with his appointment.
Think peope focus too much on the Cardiff experience. If people assessed Mckenna on our PL season they'd think he was crap.
Has worked with some of the best....studies the game....talks well....well connected....respected.
Delivered at Molde, achieved 2nd with United which is by far and away as good as anything UTD have done recently, look at his ranking in win ratio's of United managers (He is 54% with only Feguson and Mourinho significantly better).
Beiktas is just a bit of an oddity, they've been crap whoever they've had so that suggests problems are more deep that the manager.
Appeals to me more than any of the other names we have been linked with apart from maybe Knudsen....but that no longer looks a possibility. |
OGS didn't want Ronaldo, and that's seen as the downfall of Ole at Man U, he didn't do too badly before then, as we see from the stats.
I think he'd do well. | | | |
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