| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON 10:16 - Jun 20 with 5070 views | Blue_Heath |
If the Naaridge connection then why was Nunez worshipped so much?
His managerial record a bit mixed but he has kept two clubs up.
Finally, be honest who had heard of KM 5 years ago?
Would like to know your thoughts but let’s get behind him and hope we can put up a better fight of staying up than last time around. |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 18:14 - Jun 20 with 977 views | Waig |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 17:08 - Jun 20 by portmanking |
Just to add on this. I'm told his training methods are equally questionable.
At Wolves they trained just 3 days a week and the players were confused. GON liked to play a lot of golf...
Another thing, is he prepared to relocate and immerse himself in the community? He refused to move to Norwich to play for them so I'd hope we've got assurances that he'll move from Bromley to Suffolk?! Who knows.
Ugh, it's just *such* an unimaginative appointment. [Post edited 20 Jun 17:08]
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So many on this board burying their head in the sand “let’s give him a chance” “we stick with our managers”
That attitude got us relegated to League 1.
The airy fairy attitude on here of thinking he will keep us up is laughable. | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 18:55 - Jun 20 with 905 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 18:13 - Jun 20 by Axeldalai_lama |
I don't know what's 'not true'.
Anyway, Clement isn't the same as GON in any way. For better or worse. He has zero premier League and relegation battling experience, unless you include them lot. He hasn't done much bar a few good seasons in the Belgian league 5 years ago. Perhaps a more shiny exotic european type but no real substance. Plus it's an easier sell and a better risk, and so good for all sides, potentially bringing a team through and up over a team trying to cling on as a small fish. See McKenna.
We clearly don't agree, no drama. I'm not even defending the appointment, just calling it pragmatic and not sure who we could have got in bar a mythical great manager sold on a dream. |
Whats not true is that were not that attractive, KM was what 4th, 4th best paid boss in the PL? Small fish or not that talks, add to that support you get from the club, the alleged ambition, how can that not be attractive? Perhaps the board doesnt want to shell out as much again but still, you're well paid with nothing but upside. We go down? It was expected? Stay up, reputation enhanced. No lose situation, that is surely attractive.
Is it pragmatic? Maybe but surely with that route Dyche is where you go? Just feels unambitious to me.
I'm not trying to dig you out, just having the conversation. As I say, hope I'm wrong and I'd love at the end of the season for you to remind me of this when it comes and be able to say told you so. I really hope that happens |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:05 - Jun 20 with 890 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 18:55 - Jun 20 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Whats not true is that were not that attractive, KM was what 4th, 4th best paid boss in the PL? Small fish or not that talks, add to that support you get from the club, the alleged ambition, how can that not be attractive? Perhaps the board doesnt want to shell out as much again but still, you're well paid with nothing but upside. We go down? It was expected? Stay up, reputation enhanced. No lose situation, that is surely attractive.
Is it pragmatic? Maybe but surely with that route Dyche is where you go? Just feels unambitious to me.
I'm not trying to dig you out, just having the conversation. As I say, hope I'm wrong and I'd love at the end of the season for you to remind me of this when it comes and be able to say told you so. I really hope that happens |
Fair enough, I would like to agree with you about how attractive we are. I just don't see it overall. |  | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:08 - Jun 20 with 889 views | portmanking |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 17:50 - Jun 20 by NedPlimpton |
Where has this come from? |
Re. Wolves training - Just nuggets I'd heard about him via a current Town player who'd been told that by 2 former Wolves players.
Re. Bromley - common knowledge he's largely south London based. | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:29 - Jun 20 with 861 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:08 - Jun 20 by portmanking |
Re. Wolves training - Just nuggets I'd heard about him via a current Town player who'd been told that by 2 former Wolves players.
Re. Bromley - common knowledge he's largely south London based. |
I assume that the training thing, if not just Chinese whispers would be more along the lines of they only spent 3 days training all together in a traditional sense out on the grass as a unit. Not that literally the players are off playing golf and not even keeping fit or kicking a ball 4 days a week. Still potentially worrying either way. | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:33 - Jun 20 with 853 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:08 - Jun 20 by portmanking |
Re. Wolves training - Just nuggets I'd heard about him via a current Town player who'd been told that by 2 former Wolves players.
Re. Bromley - common knowledge he's largely south London based. |
Well we are building a brand new training ground for a lot of money so he better make the most of it. |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:33 - Jun 20 with 852 views | NedPlimpton |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:08 - Jun 20 by portmanking |
Re. Wolves training - Just nuggets I'd heard about him via a current Town player who'd been told that by 2 former Wolves players.
Re. Bromley - common knowledge he's largely south London based. |
I'll take the training thing with a pinch of salt. Clearly from the interview with Semenyo and just generally across the world of football he is thought highly of, and I doubt that comes from choosing golf over training [Post edited 20 Jun 19:33]
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:42 - Jun 20 with 838 views | NedPlimpton |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:29 - Jun 20 by Axeldalai_lama |
I assume that the training thing, if not just Chinese whispers would be more along the lines of they only spent 3 days training all together in a traditional sense out on the grass as a unit. Not that literally the players are off playing golf and not even keeping fit or kicking a ball 4 days a week. Still potentially worrying either way. |
Can't read it as it's behind a pay wall but this headline seems to suggest that he increased training intensity at Wolves
https://www.shropshirestar.com [Post edited 20 Jun 20:18]
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 08:40 - Jun 21 with 743 views | Blue_Heath |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:42 - Jun 20 by NedPlimpton |
Can't read it as it's behind a pay wall but this headline seems to suggest that he increased training intensity at Wolves
https://www.shropshirestar.com [Post edited 20 Jun 20:18]
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Thanks for the comments guys. From what I have seen on sky analysis shows he speaks quite well. Time will tell and let's be honest it's a very tough ask to keep us up.
Obviously getting 4th bottom would be amazing but I just hope we can make a fight of it and go in to the last few games with some sort of chance of staying up.
Let's get this announced and crack on with signing some players. | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 09:10 - Jun 21 with 714 views | itfcjoe |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 12:14 - Jun 20 by itfc_statman |
Good post, and yes it's the underlying metrics that stopped a couple Champs clubs from taking a recent opportunity to get him in charge.
Also alarming is the number of fans who clearly don't understand the statistical metrics. I've seen several reply to you with "Well, we'd be happy with the same points tally!"
What the statistical metrics should be telling you all is it's very unlikely to happen again. He either got exceptionally lucky, or had an incredibly good finisher who out-performed xG - which no goalscorer does regularly throughout their career apart from Messi. |
Come on - their xP was 2-3 points less than 3-4 teams in the league - it’s hardly an historic overachievement or a total fluke to outperform your numbers by 2-3 goals for for and against in a season. It’s a fairly normal range
They scored less than their xG for and conceded more than their xG against so maybe it was game management that helped them get points? [Post edited 21 Jun 9:11]
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 09:31 - Jun 21 with 695 views | BloomBlue |
I don't have any.
I wanted Thomas Frank but if you just focus on stats, then his stats at Spurs are shocking and he was single-handedly relegating them.
I think its the old problem of some Town fans thinking we're bigger than we are. A few are also anti Ashton and will use any stick to beat him with. If he had recruited Pep those fans would be moaning it was a lazy appointment, and he only went for Pep because he's unemployed and Ashton didn't have to pay compensation etc etc.
The fact is when (if) GON joins he will be the manager, I don't concern what he has or hasn't done in the past I'm only interested in how he performs in the upcoming season.
Ultimately the owners / mgmt team have made the decision, they own the club its their perogative and they live/die by that. If he is a success that will allow them to sell the club for a big profit to some Arab oil barron, if he fails then they're back in the championship and they will have to continue putting their hands in their pockets |  | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 09:33 - Jun 21 with 694 views | Libero |
He’s never completed a full season at a club, despite being a manager for 4/5 years and he presided over that absolute pack of animals at Wolverhampton and showed all the managerial nous, leadership and character of a house brick, while doing so.
Would love to be proven wrong, but he won’t be here this time next year. |  | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 09:38 - Jun 21 with 686 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 09:33 - Jun 21 by Libero |
He’s never completed a full season at a club, despite being a manager for 4/5 years and he presided over that absolute pack of animals at Wolverhampton and showed all the managerial nous, leadership and character of a house brick, while doing so.
Would love to be proven wrong, but he won’t be here this time next year. |
He'll keep us up by a whisker, and then in a year's time after the (planned) departure...back comes KMcK, six months rested and with the other six months swotting up on the Premiership under no pressure.
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:02 - Jun 21 with 655 views | hype313 |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 19:33 - Jun 20 by NedPlimpton |
I'll take the training thing with a pinch of salt. Clearly from the interview with Semenyo and just generally across the world of football he is thought highly of, and I doubt that comes from choosing golf over training [Post edited 20 Jun 19:33]
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Think we all have to give this constant negativity a rest, he'll either fail or succeed, if the fanbase constantly spit Thier dummy out and create a toxic atmosphere, then it'll all go downhill quickly.
We have to give him the benefit of the doubt. |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:40 - Jun 21 with 631 views | wkj |
For me, it is simple. Gary O'Neil is a survival manager, and we've had a period of time where we had recruitment designed to develop the next step in our journey. So, it feels like we're trying to settle more than to build momentum. [Post edited 21 Jun 10:41]
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:03 - Jun 21 with 615 views | longtimefan |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 17:27 - Jun 20 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Thats not true, its up to Ashton to sell the project, which shouldn't be difficult.
Equally we are a free hit, no risk of reputation damage, you get paid better than a lot of PL managers and you're telling me with all that GON is as good as we can do?
Norwich got Clement in the Championship and the best we can do is GON in the PL? No. Something a miss with our 'global' search..... which seems to have extended as far as France. |
“ Norwich got Clement in the Championship and the best we can do is GON in the PL?”
And look back at our supporters view of that signing. Most were laughing at them signing a failed Rangers manager. Time will tell how suited GON is to us, not the initial preconceptions of our supporters. As much as I liked KM and would still prefer he was here, GON will only have to finish in 18th place to say he’s improved our position. Will he do that? Maybe, but I can’t see much beyond the three promoted teams going down again. I think our recruitment will be a far greater factor in determining our position than choice of manager | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:12 - Jun 21 with 608 views | Libero |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:03 - Jun 21 by longtimefan |
“ Norwich got Clement in the Championship and the best we can do is GON in the PL?”
And look back at our supporters view of that signing. Most were laughing at them signing a failed Rangers manager. Time will tell how suited GON is to us, not the initial preconceptions of our supporters. As much as I liked KM and would still prefer he was here, GON will only have to finish in 18th place to say he’s improved our position. Will he do that? Maybe, but I can’t see much beyond the three promoted teams going down again. I think our recruitment will be a far greater factor in determining our position than choice of manager |
The reverence for Clement is surreal- I understand they had a real turn of form, but he is not a good manager. | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:34 - Jun 21 with 586 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:03 - Jun 21 by longtimefan |
“ Norwich got Clement in the Championship and the best we can do is GON in the PL?”
And look back at our supporters view of that signing. Most were laughing at them signing a failed Rangers manager. Time will tell how suited GON is to us, not the initial preconceptions of our supporters. As much as I liked KM and would still prefer he was here, GON will only have to finish in 18th place to say he’s improved our position. Will he do that? Maybe, but I can’t see much beyond the three promoted teams going down again. I think our recruitment will be a far greater factor in determining our position than choice of manager |
He beat O'Neil to the scum job! We're appointing a manager that the relegation threat bed budgies didn't want over Clement despite the fact that he played there for 2 seasons. | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:50 - Jun 21 with 571 views | itfcjoe |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:34 - Jun 21 by BlueandTruesince82 |
He beat O'Neil to the scum job! We're appointing a manager that the relegation threat bed budgies didn't want over Clement despite the fact that he played there for 2 seasons. |
He didn’t want the job after talks | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 12:26 - Jun 21 with 518 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:50 - Jun 21 by itfcjoe |
He didn’t want the job after talks |
Well I stand corrected. But we were all doing cartwheels at the prospect of them appointing him. At that point not in our worst nightmares did any of us have him down as our next manager | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 13:36 - Jun 21 with 487 views | itfc_statman |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 18:13 - Jun 20 by Axeldalai_lama |
I don't know what's 'not true'.
Anyway, Clement isn't the same as GON in any way. For better or worse. He has zero premier League and relegation battling experience, unless you include them lot. He hasn't done much bar a few good seasons in the Belgian league 5 years ago. Perhaps a more shiny exotic european type but no real substance. Plus it's an easier sell and a better risk, and so good for all sides, potentially bringing a team through and up over a team trying to cling on as a small fish. See McKenna.
We clearly don't agree, no drama. I'm not even defending the appointment, just calling it pragmatic and not sure who we could have got in bar a mythical great manager sold on a dream. |
Clement is a hugely better coach than Gary O Neil, and their respective careers will demonstrate that | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 13:45 - Jun 21 with 471 views | longtimefan |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 13:36 - Jun 21 by itfc_statman |
Clement is a hugely better coach than Gary O Neil, and their respective careers will demonstrate that |
Can you tell me next week’s lottery numbers🤣 | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 13:51 - Jun 21 with 448 views | Ryorry |
I don't have any gripes, as 1. don't know him and 2) so far, he hasn't done a day's work for us.
Is that allowed? |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 14:19 - Jun 21 with 414 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 13:36 - Jun 21 by itfc_statman |
Clement is a hugely better coach than Gary O Neil, and their respective careers will demonstrate that |
Clement is 9 years older than GON and yet has never managed in the premier League, He has also never managed a club, bar them up the road, that has been scrapping for its life at the bottom of leagues. He's managed decent enough teams in poor leagues and done okay ish. Best spell in the Belgian league 6 years ago. GON stats are being picked apart but having a high win percentage in the Scottish prem or Belgian league with one of the top two clubs is hardly proof of anything.
I think that's the huge elephant in the room. We are a team scrapping for survival in the world's hardest league, it's not going to be pretty or work best necessarily with a coach who has played lots of nice stats based football for bigger fish in small leagues, imposing themselves on smaller teams or through an exciting way of playing. At the moment we probably need unfashionable, scrappers and GON is deemed to have proved that more than the likes of Clement OGS Knutsen et al. I don't like it and it's not whetting my appetite, but I'm coming round to the thinking. Could it still be massively the wrong decision? Of course, but it's not as straightforward as many many people are trying to make out. | | | |
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