| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON 11:28 - Jun 26 with 3204 views | John_Warks_Willy |
For me, there was something uniquely relatable about KM - like an old uni mate who just happened to be a great coach, but clearly the same guy he always was when you got him back for an all night FIFA session.
GON feels less relatable (to me), but probably draws a harder line and has a more traditional authority about him ie separate from the players. This may well be what we need 🤞
Hard to describe exactly what I mean, but hopefully you get the point.
Observations of each, not criticisms please. One characteristic or style is not necessarily better than another (within reason), and they’re allowed to be different… |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 12:02 - Jun 26 with 2693 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I think GO is someone who would sit at the back of the class, while KM would sit at the front.
Both seem very hard working and studious.
I think GO might be more flexible and proactive with his prem tactics / formations.
GO has more charisma I think, but I dont mind that KM was more of an introvert, nothing wrong with that. |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 12:15 - Jun 26 with 2630 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
GO has brighter teeth.
Other than that he has been here for a few days and done one interview so I'm not really sure. |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 12:15 - Jun 26 with 2630 views | Meadowlark |
I wonder what O'Neil is like on the touchline? Kieran rarely got animated. I quite liked that calm authority. |  | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 12:29 - Jun 26 with 2529 views | _CliveBaker_ |
I think they're both of the newer school of manager, very tactically astute. Both have a confidence about them, KM's is perhaps more subtle. KM's personality seems a bit more 'old money' for want of a better analogy. I bet he holidays on the French Riviera while GON suns himself in Marbella. He's comes across as a bit more Essex, he's got a West Ham feel about him. Its not a bad thing, their fans are notoriously deluded but I do think there's a healthy level of that confidence, upward looking, talking our chances up and not down. West Ham fans wouldn't be sat here in our position wondering if they might finish 18th, I admire it in a way.
If we're comparing apples and apples and 1st impressions, KM's initial media stuff was fairly bullish, without being too specific. He said he was confident he'd leave the club in a better place than he found it, and nobody can argue he didn't do that. GON has said he has 100% confidence we can stay up, its quite a claim really. I like GON's confidence.
Talking the talk and walking the walk are 2 very different things though. KM's done it, GON has it all to prove. I can't say I'm enamoured by aspects of his past, he admitted to deliberately picking up a yellow card at Boro so he could serve his ban and watch the Ryder Cup with friends. Some have suggested he wasn't as present as he should've been at Wolves. His final few months there was certainly a car crash, how much of that is on him we'll never know. People change though, we all learn from things. I'm open minded, and if he can keep us up like he did Muff and Wolves that will be a job very well done. Tactically GON is more fluid than KM evidenced in his time here, I think we'll need to be this season. |  | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 21:20 - Jun 26 with 2219 views | Garv |
Probably a fair observation, but worth remembering what we see of managers and players isn't necessarily what they're like behind the scenes.
McKenna has always been the ultimate level head, and rarely gave away what he was really thinking or the emotions he was feeling. This always made him come across fairly laid back and not necessarily authoritative.
You'd imagine O'Neil might be more of an emotional type and therefore come across more serious. |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 21:33 - Jun 26 with 2159 views | patrickswell |
With players due back next week, in the the immediate term, I’m just hoping that O’Neil is better at building rapport with players in a pre-season than Paul Hurst was. If we can become confident that he hasn’t alienated everyone by the end of his first week, then I’ll start comparing him to McKenna. |  | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 21:41 - Jun 26 with 2134 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 21:33 - Jun 26 by patrickswell |
With players due back next week, in the the immediate term, I’m just hoping that O’Neil is better at building rapport with players in a pre-season than Paul Hurst was. If we can become confident that he hasn’t alienated everyone by the end of his first week, then I’ll start comparing him to McKenna. |
Would take some doing to burn bridges quicker than Hurst.
I sort of got what he was trying to do and the logic behind it but his delivery was shocking. | |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 22:08 - Jun 26 with 2062 views | FrimleyBlue |
I think KM moving to ipswich taking his kids out in the park and being normal outside of football made him relatable
Oneil seems to be the type that manages a side but has no genuine effection for the areas he manages in. Hes there to do a job and thats it really. Thats my take on the information available.
Think with ipswich. All successful managers of town have become part of the town they dont just manage it they feel it but also the fans feel that connection too. |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 22:17 - Jun 26 with 2022 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 21:41 - Jun 26 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Would take some doing to burn bridges quicker than Hurst.
I sort of got what he was trying to do and the logic behind it but his delivery was shocking. |
I dunno. Watching the damned united last might any manager could hurt something befire it gets going with that first meeting
" i dont wanna hear the name kieran fken mckenna ever again. | |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 22:43 - Jun 26 with 1941 views | patrickswell |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 22:17 - Jun 26 by FrimleyBlue |
I dunno. Watching the damned united last might any manager could hurt something befire it gets going with that first meeting
" i dont wanna hear the name kieran fken mckenna ever again. |
Just on a tangent, but a look at the head to head between Revie’s Leeds and Clough’s Derby makes pretty grotesque reading if you consider - as he himself did - that Clough was on the side of the angels in those games:
Played 14
Leeds wins - 11
Derby wins - 2
Draws - 1
As point of comparison, Robson’s Ipswich against Revie’s Leeds went:
Played 12
Ipswich wins - 2
Leeds wins - 6
Draws - 4 [Post edited 26 Jun 22:47]
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 23:04 - Jun 26 with 1844 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Experience. 127 games v 222 according to Wikipedia |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 23:15 - Jun 26 with 1798 views | Kropotkin123 |
The main difference for me is McKenna is gone and people didn't want him to go. Whereas O'Neil is GON, and some people insist that he's GO. |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 23:51 - Jun 26 with 1701 views | MVBlue |
Gary has this polished no nonsense focus about him. Kieron was far leas polished more about the content and analysis he had which was really good. Gary seems to have the P.R. side down. |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 23:54 - Jun 26 with 1697 views | ReusersTown |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 22:08 - Jun 26 by FrimleyBlue |
I think KM moving to ipswich taking his kids out in the park and being normal outside of football made him relatable
Oneil seems to be the type that manages a side but has no genuine effection for the areas he manages in. Hes there to do a job and thats it really. Thats my take on the information available.
Think with ipswich. All successful managers of town have become part of the town they dont just manage it they feel it but also the fans feel that connection too. |
Your second paragraph is what stuck out the most to me, but we have obviously been spoilt over the last 5 years where it has felt like more than that. |  | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 07:12 - Jun 27 with 1497 views | tetchris |
GON has whiter teeth | | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 07:34 - Jun 27 with 1454 views | Churchman |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 21:20 - Jun 26 by Garv |
Probably a fair observation, but worth remembering what we see of managers and players isn't necessarily what they're like behind the scenes.
McKenna has always been the ultimate level head, and rarely gave away what he was really thinking or the emotions he was feeling. This always made him come across fairly laid back and not necessarily authoritative.
You'd imagine O'Neil might be more of an emotional type and therefore come across more serious. |
I very much take Marshall-Mullet’s view on this, but your first line is a very important aspect.
O’Neil was very much doing the PR bit on the first day video and I thought he did it ok. I don’t think he’s as controlled as McKenna, but not many people are. You are right though - what one sees of people is often not how they are behind the scenes.
I cannot imagine what it takes to manage properly a group of well paid professional footballers. Whatever it is KM ticked most if not all the boxes. Time will tell on O’Neil, but he’s made a good first impression. |  | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 07:36 - Jun 27 with 1451 views | FlowerofScotland |
O'Neil unfortunately doesn't inherit a club which has been so poorly managed that 'success' in some form is inevitable. | | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 08:19 - Jun 27 with 1365 views | Gary_Knows |
To be honest, all I genuinely care about is O’Neil keeping us up. We’ve had the fairytale fantasy with McKenna, rising through the leagues, playing good football and ultimately making most, if not all fans fall in love with the club again.
Yet, now he’s gone all I care about it staying up. If O’Neils family wanted to relocate to the moon, I honestly couldn’t give 2 hoots. Stay up, worry about the rest of the stuff later on. |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 08:48 - Jun 27 with 1311 views | hoppy |
KM is two letters, whilst GON is three. |  |
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| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 09:15 - Jun 27 with 1247 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
The key difference could well be GON keeps us in the league.
I think it best we see what players come in first, wait until Christmas to see how we perform, if it all goes belly up and we have 5 points or whatever then there will be big problemos. |  | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 11:18 - Jun 27 with 1103 views | carlo88 |
One is likeable |  | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 11:44 - Jun 27 with 1049 views | nrb1985 |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 22:08 - Jun 26 by FrimleyBlue |
I think KM moving to ipswich taking his kids out in the park and being normal outside of football made him relatable
Oneil seems to be the type that manages a side but has no genuine effection for the areas he manages in. Hes there to do a job and thats it really. Thats my take on the information available.
Think with ipswich. All successful managers of town have become part of the town they dont just manage it they feel it but also the fans feel that connection too. |
Kieran agreed to join Palace after two years in the job and was persuaded to stay.
He then had his agent conduct the most distasteful public auction for his services 6 months later and was persuaded to stay again after we made him one of the best paid coaches in the country.
GON was was harshly fired after 9 months at Bournemouth and then after 18 months at Wolves.
Bit of a lazy take to say KM loves an area and GON doesn’t - and also, if he keeps us up, who gives a fck. It’s a job to them - if they don’t do well we will fire them without a moment’s thought, so works both ways. | | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 11:51 - Jun 27 with 1034 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 11:44 - Jun 27 by nrb1985 |
Kieran agreed to join Palace after two years in the job and was persuaded to stay.
He then had his agent conduct the most distasteful public auction for his services 6 months later and was persuaded to stay again after we made him one of the best paid coaches in the country.
GON was was harshly fired after 9 months at Bournemouth and then after 18 months at Wolves.
Bit of a lazy take to say KM loves an area and GON doesn’t - and also, if he keeps us up, who gives a fck. It’s a job to them - if they don’t do well we will fire them without a moment’s thought, so works both ways. |
How long do you think GON will get if we are getting battered the first 10 games? | | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 11:52 - Jun 27 with 1029 views | nrb1985 |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 12:15 - Jun 26 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
GO has brighter teeth.
Other than that he has been here for a few days and done one interview so I'm not really sure. |
Teeth, all the day long the teeth. | | | |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 11:55 - Jun 27 with 1014 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What do you see as the key differences between KM and GON on 11:44 - Jun 27 by nrb1985 |
Kieran agreed to join Palace after two years in the job and was persuaded to stay.
He then had his agent conduct the most distasteful public auction for his services 6 months later and was persuaded to stay again after we made him one of the best paid coaches in the country.
GON was was harshly fired after 9 months at Bournemouth and then after 18 months at Wolves.
Bit of a lazy take to say KM loves an area and GON doesn’t - and also, if he keeps us up, who gives a fck. It’s a job to them - if they don’t do well we will fire them without a moment’s thought, so works both ways. |
Oneil has barely started the job so the op is actually difficult to answer as we have nothing to compare other than what we can read online. So when its discussing relatability what is there to compare other than localty. Oneil hasnt moved his familt to wolves nor strasburg and hes not said he will be moving to suffolk either.
I get what youre saying about km and palace etc but that doesnt mean km didnt have an effection to suffolk. He moved here. Children schooled here. Often out mixing with locals. Even recently after leaving he was having a drink in his local
Thata how you become relateable. | |
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