| Ann Widdecombe 16:51 - Jul 21 with 13817 views | GlasgowBlue |
Hit over the head with a hammer 21 times.
Regardless of one's views of her religious beliefs, no one deserves to go like that. Sickening. |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 22:41 - Jul 22 with 1615 views | positivity |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:42 - Jul 22 by flykickingbybgunn |
Her religious beliefs ?
Really ?
She was a Catholic. That is as mainstream as they come.
Biggest religion in the world with nearly 1.4 billion followers.
Remember Tony Blair and Andy Burnham belong to the same religion. |
her political beliefs rather than her religious beliefs.
the vast vast majority of christians who are serious about following their faith wouldn't be so intolerant or judgemental |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 22:55 - Jul 22 with 1525 views | Mullet |
| Ann Widdecombe on 18:42 - Jul 22 by flykickingbybgunn |
Her religious beliefs ?
Really ?
She was a Catholic. That is as mainstream as they come.
Biggest religion in the world with nearly 1.4 billion followers.
Remember Tony Blair and Andy Burnham belong to the same religion. |
She was not a run of the mill Catholic. She was a convert looking for justifications of her bigotry.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
This is basically eugenics x homophobia
She rallied against “socialism” but clearly doesn’t know a thing about Jesus.
What sort of Christian inherits this problem and doubles down and defends it? https://www.aims.org.uk/journa |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 23:02 - Jul 22 with 1512 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Ann Widdecombe on 22:55 - Jul 22 by Mullet |
She was not a run of the mill Catholic. She was a convert looking for justifications of her bigotry.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
This is basically eugenics x homophobia
She rallied against “socialism” but clearly doesn’t know a thing about Jesus.
What sort of Christian inherits this problem and doubles down and defends it? https://www.aims.org.uk/journa |
I have massive issues with the mix of politics and religion. Jesus actually spread the message of being politically neutral when he walked the earth. So I have very little time for those.who use religion to politicize. Hence my decision to be politically atheistic, so to speak. I don't believe the two align.
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| Ann Widdecombe on 01:55 - Jul 23 with 1411 views | Ryorry |
| Ann Widdecombe on 23:02 - Jul 22 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I have massive issues with the mix of politics and religion. Jesus actually spread the message of being politically neutral when he walked the earth. So I have very little time for those.who use religion to politicize. Hence my decision to be politically atheistic, so to speak. I don't believe the two align.
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I just don’t get religion at all. Maybe it’s a failing in me, but I just don’t understand how otherwise intelligent, rational people can swallow the entire doctrine 100% of any religion when it advocates reprehensible actions such as stoning people to death, whilst simultaneously advocating love, peace and “thou shalt not kill “.
And that’s before even starting to consider the contradiction inherent in believing theirs is the only true god when there are several other religions all making the same claim for *their* god.
I respect everyone’s right to believe what they want of course, and would never have a go at them for those beliefs, but it puzzles me when the individuals holding them are logical and rational in every other way.
I remember a girl a couple of years above me at school winning the senior essay prize for one titled ‘Our (humans) need for a God’. Maybe that’s where the answer lies, psychology and emotion. |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 05:55 - Jul 23 with 1354 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Ann Widdecombe on 01:55 - Jul 23 by Ryorry |
I just don’t get religion at all. Maybe it’s a failing in me, but I just don’t understand how otherwise intelligent, rational people can swallow the entire doctrine 100% of any religion when it advocates reprehensible actions such as stoning people to death, whilst simultaneously advocating love, peace and “thou shalt not kill “.
And that’s before even starting to consider the contradiction inherent in believing theirs is the only true god when there are several other religions all making the same claim for *their* god.
I respect everyone’s right to believe what they want of course, and would never have a go at them for those beliefs, but it puzzles me when the individuals holding them are logical and rational in every other way.
I remember a girl a couple of years above me at school winning the senior essay prize for one titled ‘Our (humans) need for a God’. Maybe that’s where the answer lies, psychology and emotion. |
The theocratic states tend to be some of the most brutal ones as well. It often conflicts/undermines with the power of the state which is why the communists clamped down on it. I’m all for freedom of religion but it has no place in governance, it should be a personal thing. I would add though that plenty of people who aren’t religious hold just as intolerant views.
Celebrating the death of someone (unless the most heinous of people) is a bit weird tbh, I do worry how illiberal we (the UK) seem to be becoming - both left and right. | | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 08:17 - Jul 23 with 1262 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Ann Widdecombe on 01:55 - Jul 23 by Ryorry |
I just don’t get religion at all. Maybe it’s a failing in me, but I just don’t understand how otherwise intelligent, rational people can swallow the entire doctrine 100% of any religion when it advocates reprehensible actions such as stoning people to death, whilst simultaneously advocating love, peace and “thou shalt not kill “.
And that’s before even starting to consider the contradiction inherent in believing theirs is the only true god when there are several other religions all making the same claim for *their* god.
I respect everyone’s right to believe what they want of course, and would never have a go at them for those beliefs, but it puzzles me when the individuals holding them are logical and rational in every other way.
I remember a girl a couple of years above me at school winning the senior essay prize for one titled ‘Our (humans) need for a God’. Maybe that’s where the answer lies, psychology and emotion. |
I'm not keen on derailing this thread into a theological debate, so I won't elaborate too much. This is a good debate for another time, however, I will just say that the scientific field of Biomimetics is a massive reason why I have faith in the existence of God.
We praise the fantastic innovation of scientists for copying such things as the Kingfisher's beak (Japanese Bullet Train) and inventions such as adhesives, Velcro, water repellent materials, etc which all borrow designs from things found in nature, but at the same time dismiss the idea of intelligent design being involved in making the original.
Anyway, enjoy your Thursday, peeps! 😊 | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 09:11 - Jul 23 with 1160 views | positivity |
| Ann Widdecombe on 01:55 - Jul 23 by Ryorry |
I just don’t get religion at all. Maybe it’s a failing in me, but I just don’t understand how otherwise intelligent, rational people can swallow the entire doctrine 100% of any religion when it advocates reprehensible actions such as stoning people to death, whilst simultaneously advocating love, peace and “thou shalt not kill “.
And that’s before even starting to consider the contradiction inherent in believing theirs is the only true god when there are several other religions all making the same claim for *their* god.
I respect everyone’s right to believe what they want of course, and would never have a go at them for those beliefs, but it puzzles me when the individuals holding them are logical and rational in every other way.
I remember a girl a couple of years above me at school winning the senior essay prize for one titled ‘Our (humans) need for a God’. Maybe that’s where the answer lies, psychology and emotion. |
most (all?) mainstream religions don't advocate stoning to death, though some people will wilfully use things completely out of context to back their reprehensible political views.
atheistic states are just as capable of intolerable cruelty on massive levels (see hitler's germany, stalin's russia).
the common link between all this hatred and cruelty? human nature | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 10:02 - Jul 23 with 1098 views | The_Major |
Farage as ever, has decided to exploit the horrific events for all that they're worth. Now demanding that the police make public the political leanings of the accused, and even saying he's been told things in confidence.
And if he reveals things, that will prejudice the trial, and it'll collapse. And this isn't done out of any respect to the memory of someone who was an ally of his, or even out of a sense of justice to her, but so he can turn round triumphantly and say he was right. Of course, it could also be argued he's deflecting attention from the £5m and the farce that will be happening in Clacton in three weeks
I don't recall either Labour or the Tories doing this when Jo Cox or David Amess died. They let justice take it's course. But it doesn't matter if you're friend or foe, Farage, like that scrote in the White House, will only do something if it helps improve his standing financially or politically. But still the deluded will think he's on their side.
https://inews.co.uk/news/farag |  | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 10:13 - Jul 23 with 1055 views | Blueschev |
| Ann Widdecombe on 09:11 - Jul 23 by positivity |
most (all?) mainstream religions don't advocate stoning to death, though some people will wilfully use things completely out of context to back their reprehensible political views.
atheistic states are just as capable of intolerable cruelty on massive levels (see hitler's germany, stalin's russia).
the common link between all this hatred and cruelty? human nature |
Point of order, Nazi Germany was not an Atheistic state in the slightest. |  | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 10:20 - Jul 23 with 1037 views | Ryorry |
| Ann Widdecombe on 08:17 - Jul 23 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I'm not keen on derailing this thread into a theological debate, so I won't elaborate too much. This is a good debate for another time, however, I will just say that the scientific field of Biomimetics is a massive reason why I have faith in the existence of God.
We praise the fantastic innovation of scientists for copying such things as the Kingfisher's beak (Japanese Bullet Train) and inventions such as adhesives, Velcro, water repellent materials, etc which all borrow designs from things found in nature, but at the same time dismiss the idea of intelligent design being involved in making the original.
Anyway, enjoy your Thursday, peeps! 😊 |
Also don’t want to derail thread, but if I do have a god, it’s Mother Nature, and I believe that ‘miracle’ is down to evolution :) | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 10:28 - Jul 23 with 1008 views | positivity |
| Ann Widdecombe on 10:13 - Jul 23 by Blueschev |
Point of order, Nazi Germany was not an Atheistic state in the slightest. |
fair enough.
much repression and state control of religion though to fit his apalling political views , could argue that nazism was the religion? | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 10:34 - Jul 23 with 969 views | Ryorry |
| Ann Widdecombe on 09:11 - Jul 23 by positivity |
most (all?) mainstream religions don't advocate stoning to death, though some people will wilfully use things completely out of context to back their reprehensible political views.
atheistic states are just as capable of intolerable cruelty on massive levels (see hitler's germany, stalin's russia).
the common link between all this hatred and cruelty? human nature |
Appreciate your points, but I wasn’t talking about atheistic states or those completely dominated by religion in their rule (eg Iran).
I was referring specifically to how intelligent humans, individually or collectively, are able to resolve in their heads the sometimes totally contradictory texts they’re based on. Eg ‘Man is made in God’s image’ - so God made all people, but not those who happened to be born gay? It’s just illogical, irrational nonsense. | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 10:43 - Jul 23 with 946 views | positivity |
| Ann Widdecombe on 10:34 - Jul 23 by Ryorry |
Appreciate your points, but I wasn’t talking about atheistic states or those completely dominated by religion in their rule (eg Iran).
I was referring specifically to how intelligent humans, individually or collectively, are able to resolve in their heads the sometimes totally contradictory texts they’re based on. Eg ‘Man is made in God’s image’ - so God made all people, but not those who happened to be born gay? It’s just illogical, irrational nonsense. |
christians would say all humans were made in god's image.
christ is quoted in the bible as saying that loving god and loving other people sums up what humans should be doing.
hatred towards any group of people is a wilful misunderstanding of the beliefs of christ by humans (usually men with political views they want to strengthen) [Post edited 23 Jul 10:45]
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| Ann Widdecombe on 10:48 - Jul 23 with 932 views | Ryorry |
| Ann Widdecombe on 10:43 - Jul 23 by positivity |
christians would say all humans were made in god's image.
christ is quoted in the bible as saying that loving god and loving other people sums up what humans should be doing.
hatred towards any group of people is a wilful misunderstanding of the beliefs of christ by humans (usually men with political views they want to strengthen) [Post edited 23 Jul 10:45]
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Don’t get me started on the hypocrisy of individuals who religiously and regularly go to church, but behave in thoroughly unchristian ways from minor to major the rest of the time … | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 11:03 - Jul 23 with 894 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ann Widdecombe on 08:17 - Jul 23 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I'm not keen on derailing this thread into a theological debate, so I won't elaborate too much. This is a good debate for another time, however, I will just say that the scientific field of Biomimetics is a massive reason why I have faith in the existence of God.
We praise the fantastic innovation of scientists for copying such things as the Kingfisher's beak (Japanese Bullet Train) and inventions such as adhesives, Velcro, water repellent materials, etc which all borrow designs from things found in nature, but at the same time dismiss the idea of intelligent design being involved in making the original.
Anyway, enjoy your Thursday, peeps! 😊 |
Thing is, scientists copied that stuff over a relatively short period of time. The kingfisher's beak, etc, had millions of years to evolve. It's not proof of a god (or proof there's not a god). |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 11:45 - Jul 23 with 824 views | StowTractor |
| Ann Widdecombe on 00:07 - Jul 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Any more interesting thoughts stating the obvious? |
Sadly it isn't obvious to everybody. A brief search on Twitter will find those celebrating Ann's death, those saying she had it coming to her, some saying its good news & others (before the details became public) saying they hoped she suffered and died in agony (clearly she did and hopefully those folks now regret their post but some might not).
Similar awful opinions were posted after the murders of Jo Cox (although from those with different viewpoints) and David Amess.
I've even seen some about the death of the late Queen.
No matter what your views are on politics, religion or Royalty all those above are human beings, who gave a lifetime of public service and tried to do what they thought was right to try to make the world a better place. Most of us will disagree with some of them, some maybe with all of them. Many will have entirely different world views and may feel they made matters worse rather than better. But it wasn't their intention and none of them deserved to die for it, particularly not be murdered for it, especially in such a horrific way.
That ought to be stating the obvious but to a vocal and vociferous minority it doesn't seem to be. | | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 12:51 - Jul 23 with 720 views | RamRob |
| Ann Widdecombe on 17:43 - Jul 22 by StokieBlue |
She is on the record as hoping for a "medical cure" for homosexuality or treatment for "gays who don't want to be gay" are mainstream views?
There is too much revisionism going on here.
Are views about LGBT+ rights a spectrum? If you support peoples right to do as they please then there can't be a spectrum. A spectrum implies that some people don't agree with their right to self-determination.
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My comments were not specific to AW they were general, no revisionism intended.
Just a broad comment about labelling people "evil" just because they have a different opinion.
As for the spectrum thing...
Some "rights" are incompatible with other "rights" - logically
Compromise is needed... Hence it's a spectrum.
What those compromises should or shouldn't be is where the debate should be, but I'm not in a position to suggest what is or isn't acceptable for anyone. |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 13:06 - Jul 23 with 678 views | StokieBlue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 12:51 - Jul 23 by RamRob |
My comments were not specific to AW they were general, no revisionism intended.
Just a broad comment about labelling people "evil" just because they have a different opinion.
As for the spectrum thing...
Some "rights" are incompatible with other "rights" - logically
Compromise is needed... Hence it's a spectrum.
What those compromises should or shouldn't be is where the debate should be, but I'm not in a position to suggest what is or isn't acceptable for anyone. |
I'm still not convinced. Opinions can absolutely be evil, wanting to medically change someone because you don't like how they live their life is an example of this in my view.
"Having a different view" isn't a get out clause for being able to say or do whatever you want but the fact that narrative has been pushed over recent years is one of the reasons the world is in such a mess. It's an extension of the "but both sides" narrative.
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| Ann Widdecombe on 13:12 - Jul 23 with 655 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Ann Widdecombe on 09:11 - Jul 23 by positivity |
most (all?) mainstream religions don't advocate stoning to death, though some people will wilfully use things completely out of context to back their reprehensible political views.
atheistic states are just as capable of intolerable cruelty on massive levels (see hitler's germany, stalin's russia).
the common link between all this hatred and cruelty? human nature |
Yes they do. They just outgrew actually doing what their books say. | |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 13:46 - Jul 23 with 589 views | J2BLUE |
| Ann Widdecombe on 08:17 - Jul 23 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I'm not keen on derailing this thread into a theological debate, so I won't elaborate too much. This is a good debate for another time, however, I will just say that the scientific field of Biomimetics is a massive reason why I have faith in the existence of God.
We praise the fantastic innovation of scientists for copying such things as the Kingfisher's beak (Japanese Bullet Train) and inventions such as adhesives, Velcro, water repellent materials, etc which all borrow designs from things found in nature, but at the same time dismiss the idea of intelligent design being involved in making the original.
Anyway, enjoy your Thursday, peeps! 😊 |
If we are giving credit for those things, shouldn't we also credit god with all of the bad things?
Sorry, I know you said you don't want to get into it but the cherry picking drives me nuts.
If I was god and loved humanity I would spend my time making it rain in drought areas, striking down the evil and spreading peace. |  | | |
| Ann Widdecombe on 13:49 - Jul 23 with 575 views | itfcjoe |
| Ann Widdecombe on 09:03 - Jul 23 by DJR |
Admittedly it was after AW was an an MP, but more Conservative MPs voted against the same-sex marriage legislation favoured by Cameron than voted for it, but I doubt any of them will face the same level of censure as she has when they die.
For what it it worth, my philosophy is best summed up by the following quotes, the first wrongly attributed to Voltaire and the second from John Stuart Mill.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
"Liberty lies in the rights of that person whose views you find most odious."
And I can't help but include a further quote from Mill which may or may not be true. 
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." [Post edited 23 Jul 9:10]
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Iain Dale was very interesting on this, and was a good friend of Anne Widdecombe's. He said she also had a lot of other gay friends like Andrew Pierce and was close and caring with them - and at one point had gone down to a local constituency and dragged them over the coals for basically stopping someone standing because they were gay.
He said he had a really difficult decision when he was having his civil partnership, because needed to invite her but knew she wouldn't come, awkwardly she accidentally sent him some correspondence she'd had with the PA to let him down gently after having said she was busy...!
But his main point is that how can someone who had constantly and consistently shown great care and love to gay people be considered homophobic, just because she didn't think they should be married and were sinful. Which is the same argument people were claiming about Sam Morsy on here - judge him on what he does, not whether he'll wear a rainbow armband |  |
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| Ann Widdecombe on 13:56 - Jul 23 with 552 views | mellowblue |
| Ann Widdecombe on 10:13 - Jul 23 by Blueschev |
Point of order, Nazi Germany was not an Atheistic state in the slightest. |
Nazism was anti-religious in nature. It tolerated the established churches to keep the people onside. If there are doubts, substitute Nazism for China of the last 80 years. ! | | | |
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