| Hirst not in Germany. 19:44 - Aug 13 with 8618 views | SitfcB |
Nixon was tweeting earlier about how GH doesn’t want a permanent move to Stoke, just a loan, but we want to sell. |  |
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 19:51 - Aug 13 with 6390 views | naa |
Why are we trying to get rid of a player in a position we are already desperately thin in? Bizarre. |  | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 19:52 - Aug 13 with 6354 views | DarkBrandon |
Harsh business football.
Hirst is not a world class footballer, but he’s done everything one could ask of him. He did the business when he was here on loan, he basically refused to sign for anyone else meaning Leicester had to sell him to us when they might have got more elsewhere, he gave his all for the club, and in his interview after the last promotion said how much he liked it here, and how he’d stay “as long as I’m wanted”.
I understand the motivation of the club, but it is still rough us easing him out of the door. |  | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 19:53 - Aug 13 with 6324 views | FelixBlue4 |
Not just with the Hirst position but with all players the club has to accept that a contract is a contract. Most players that sign in their early 20’s will have or be starting families and they get settled, if they have signed a 5 year deal that’s a long time to be in one place. It’s to easy for fans to see players as a commodity and forget they have a life away from the game. [Post edited 13 Aug 19:54]
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 19:55 - Aug 13 with 6253 views | MattinLondon |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 19:51 - Aug 13 by naa |
Why are we trying to get rid of a player in a position we are already desperately thin in? Bizarre. |
Because at the moment the club has outgrown his ability. |  | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:00 - Aug 13 with 6095 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 19:51 - Aug 13 by naa |
Why are we trying to get rid of a player in a position we are already desperately thin in? Bizarre. |
Simply: We are trying to improve every area of the squad and we are doing a great job so far.
From technical commercial point of view £10 mil for Hirst would be around £8 mil pure profit give or take (depending on ad ons). We are offering out 5 year deals so when amortised over 5 seasons that £40 mil we are spending on Enciso and Ouattara for example is covered this season by Hirst at £10 mil (£40mil ÷ 5 = £8 mil). This is why prem clubs sell their quality youngsters because they are pure profit for the financial rules.
Above is oversimplification but broadly right. | |
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:07 - Aug 13 with 5869 views | bazza |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 19:55 - Aug 13 by MattinLondon |
Because at the moment the club has outgrown his ability. |
Very well put, I’d have said because he’s pony. |  | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:13 - Aug 13 with 5709 views | bazza |
I don’t think there’s any player that’s left on a bad note from the McKenna era really, and if I was hirst, I’d take a new deal elsewhere , as he won’t get a sniff next season. And if we did go down, he still wouldn’t . He may as well leave on a high imo. | | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:22 - Aug 13 with 5420 views | cressi |
Don't blame George I wouldn't want to go to Stoke either hopefully he will get more appealing offers in the championship. | | | |
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:22 - Aug 13 with 5425 views | nodge_blue |
Who can blame him, hes helped get us promoted, hes in the PL on PL wages and someone suggests he goes to Stoke! |  |
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:27 - Aug 13 with 5324 views | SitfcB |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:22 - Aug 13 by cressi |
Don't blame George I wouldn't want to go to Stoke either hopefully he will get more appealing offers in the championship. |
Agreed.
I really don’t see any problem in keeping him, 3/4th choice of course, but if there’s bids of £10 mill it’s hard for the club to turn down.
Perhaps he won’t end up going and he will be bang up for proving the doubters wrong. | |
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:28 - Aug 13 with 5269 views | Trequartista |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:22 - Aug 13 by nodge_blue |
Who can blame him, hes helped get us promoted, hes in the PL on PL wages and someone suggests he goes to Stoke! |
that's why we are seeing these loan with an obligation to buy deals - Stoke can pay him £x for 4 years but in the first year it's technically a loan so we pay him the difference between his new wages and his old ones.
if they're paying us £10m we could pay all his wages for one year to be fair. [Post edited 13 Aug 20:30]
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:29 - Aug 13 with 5243 views | cbower |
Personally I prefer Hirst to Akpom and George would be decent as a 3rd striking option. I understand though that Akpom will be much harder to shift and the profit is in Hirst moving on. Just hope it's definite another striker who can challenge Emersonn is on their way though. |  |
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:34 - Aug 13 with 5101 views | Guthrum |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:27 - Aug 13 by SitfcB |
Agreed.
I really don’t see any problem in keeping him, 3/4th choice of course, but if there’s bids of £10 mill it’s hard for the club to turn down.
Perhaps he won’t end up going and he will be bang up for proving the doubters wrong. |
Thing is, with all these midfielders, I'm not sure we have space in the registered squad for a 4th-choice centre-forward. |  |
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:39 - Aug 13 with 4989 views | BloomBlue |
Don't go anywhere George. The club cannot put you into a bomb squad and then you can walk for free and a big signing on fee, or just stay until the end of your contract and take your monthly wage. |  | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:43 - Aug 13 with 4870 views | MattinLondon |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:07 - Aug 13 by bazza |
Very well put, I’d have said because he’s pony. |
He’s an established championship player who has been to a WC. He is not pony.
There’s no shame in not being good enough for the PL - very few players are. The Championship is where he can play in and that is still a high level. | | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:48 - Aug 13 with 4762 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 19:51 - Aug 13 by naa |
Why are we trying to get rid of a player in a position we are already desperately thin in? Bizarre. |
Because we’ve probably got a replacement lined up but we’re waiting for the dominoes to drop |  |
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:54 - Aug 13 with 4628 views | Geordietown68 |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 19:51 - Aug 13 by naa |
Why are we trying to get rid of a player in a position we are already desperately thin in? Bizarre. |
I would guess we have that position lined ip with someone else |  | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:55 - Aug 13 with 4617 views | farkenhell |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:07 - Aug 13 by bazza |
Very well put, I’d have said because he’s pony. |
The only pony I can see is your horseshit comment. | | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:55 - Aug 13 with 4600 views | John_Warks_Willy |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:28 - Aug 13 by Trequartista |
that's why we are seeing these loan with an obligation to buy deals - Stoke can pay him £x for 4 years but in the first year it's technically a loan so we pay him the difference between his new wages and his old ones.
if they're paying us £10m we could pay all his wages for one year to be fair. [Post edited 13 Aug 20:30]
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You’d think sensible minds will prevail, and I don’t believe anyone at the club expects him to take a material hit if he is prepared to leave. |  |
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| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:59 - Aug 13 with 4519 views | MattinLondon |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:39 - Aug 13 by BloomBlue |
Don't go anywhere George. The club cannot put you into a bomb squad and then you can walk for free and a big signing on fee, or just stay until the end of your contract and take your monthly wage. |
The problem in that is that if he simply takes his wages with no first team football, no ckub will offer him a big signing on fee. He’s hardly been prolific.
I think he’ll leave on loan before the end of this window - if he does well then maybe more clubs will come in for him. | | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 21:00 - Aug 13 with 4500 views | jasondozzell |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:07 - Aug 13 by bazza |
Very well put, I’d have said because he’s pony. |
George is one of the reasons we're about to have another PL season.
Great player for us.
I hope he stays. He played well when he had the chance in the PL last time. |  | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 21:01 - Aug 13 with 4490 views | farkenhell |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 20:43 - Aug 13 by MattinLondon |
He’s an established championship player who has been to a WC. He is not pony.
There’s no shame in not being good enough for the PL - very few players are. The Championship is where he can play in and that is still a high level. |
It was a totally disrespectful comment towards a player who has played a part in 3 promotions for the club. | | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 21:09 - Aug 13 with 4332 views | mrshallisfit |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 21:01 - Aug 13 by farkenhell |
It was a totally disrespectful comment towards a player who has played a part in 3 promotions for the club. |
But bazza is a crass poster. No class. | | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 21:13 - Aug 13 with 4231 views | itfcsuth |
Can see both sides.
He’s been a huge part of our success, far from pretty at times but has delivered some big moments and led the line for a large chunk of McKennas tenure.
He won’t want to walk away from a bumper PL deal, hence wanting a loan, but if we are receiving anything around £10m that is also just an astronomical number for him to turn down.
Hopefully all amicable on this one and is resolved. |  | | |
| Hirst not in Germany. on 21:34 - Aug 13 with 3845 views | Freddies_Ears |
My understanding is that Stoke want him on loan, and claim they can't afford to meet our valuation. He'd rather stay, but recognises he needs to move on.
Derby wanted him, but can't find the money as their takeover fell through. | | | |
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