| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. 15:59 - Sep 1 with 10713 views | SitfcB |
Thought Flemming deal was agreed ages ago anyway? |  |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:29 - Sep 1 with 1126 views | Guthrum |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:10 - Sep 1 by ernie |
Context is Sunday and getting ripped apart- 3/4 defenders from 2 years ago is not going to cut it. |
Or the previous weekend when they weren't. |  |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:29 - Sep 1 with 1123 views | Billywitch |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:02 - Sep 1 by DarkBrandon |
You are hard to please.
Three number 9s, a World Cup winner, Encisco, Fatawu, Maeda, Diop … |
worryingly weak at the back |  | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:30 - Sep 1 with 1121 views | nshearman1 |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:22 - Sep 1 by portmanking |
It just doesn't tally with what MA has said about the owners pushing the club to go to the limits. Why aren't they questioning why we're not using the loan spots that would only require salaries covering? Surely we'd want to cover as many bases as possible... |
We can only assume that we've been knocked back by quite a number of targets. I guess we shouldn't forget Kipre, but like Greaves IMHO he's inconsistent at best. I'm personally not (yet) convinced by Outtara either. There appears to have been an overload on midfield, and personally I think Mehmeti's been treated badly - we'll see, he's not yet gone out the door. And not signing a striker means we're paying over the odds for Flemming, leaving us short of cash to spend elsewhere. | | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:31 - Sep 1 with 1117 views | Guthrum |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:29 - Sep 1 by LeoMuff |
Does the loan window not stay open later ? |
That stopped being a thing years ago (except for youths and goalkeepers under specific circumstances). | |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:32 - Sep 1 with 1100 views | Ryorry |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:28 - Sep 1 by ElGuaje4 |
We've had a great window but only one signing at centre-back is gross negligence to me. Both can be true! |
You think recruitment haven’t bothered looking or trying?
They’re playing in reality, not fm. |  |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:33 - Sep 1 with 1058 views | Gary_Knows |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:28 - Sep 1 by Zx1988 |
Does that mean that we're robbing Peter to pay Paul a little when it comes to contracts etc.,?
I appreciate that, to a degree, we need to pay what we need to pay in order to get good players through the door. But does that then jeopardise us a little further down the road, when players end up on decent contracts that they won't get elsewhere, and decide that they'd rather stay at PR and 'fight for their place', despite probably not ending up in the 25-man squad? |
We’re probably finding that some of the players we want to move on have had significant increases in their contracts due to being promoted. |  |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:35 - Sep 1 with 1031 views | Zx1988 |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:33 - Sep 1 by Gary_Knows |
We’re probably finding that some of the players we want to move on have had significant increases in their contracts due to being promoted. |
I can see the challenge there. Mehmeti as a case in point.
Decent player, signed for a very good fee, but only really there in order to secure promotion. You get him in, he helps secure promotion, and then you can't shift him because of the promotion increase.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, and I'm not sure what the alternative is. | |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:37 - Sep 1 with 993 views | jas0999 |
We need a striker amd a CB. | | | |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:39 - Sep 1 with 967 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:11 - Sep 1 by PhilTWTD |
Taylor I think would have gone to Birmingham but is a couple of weeks away from full fitness. Wonder if someone might still come in for Mehmeti late on, but has had the feeling that the only ones out would be Humphreys, Ogbene and Mendel. |
Bloated squad with a lot of them not close to playing anytime soon, going to need a few more windows of PL to fully recycle, I guess. |  |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:40 - Sep 1 with 967 views | ElGuaje4 |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:32 - Sep 1 by Ryorry |
You think recruitment haven’t bothered looking or trying?
They’re playing in reality, not fm. |
Strawman fallacy in full swing |  | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:40 - Sep 1 with 951 views | Ryorry |
Just seen this on news comments, hope NMK doesn’t mind the c & p -
“NeedhamMarketKop added 16:31 - Sep 1
Edit, Burnley have just signed a striker on loan...... Largie Ramazani from Leeds, which could rubber-stamp the Fleming deal.”
Hope he’s right. | |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:41 - Sep 1 with 932 views | IP1Blue |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:29 - Sep 1 by LeoMuff |
Does the loan window not stay open later ? |
Is irrelevant as someone still needs to move on to make spot available in the squad.
Not convincing players to move on or selling players at a cheaper price could end up to be quite costly! | | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:52 - Sep 1 with 799 views | Ipswich_Crazy |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:00 - Sep 1 by Zx1988 |
A little disappointing if this proves to be the only other signing we get done. |
What are you expecting? Signing another 11 players today? We have had an amazing transfer window! |  |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:52 - Sep 1 with 795 views | bsw72 |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:28 - Sep 1 by ElGuaje4 |
We've had a great window but only one signing at centre-back is gross negligence to me. Both can be true! |
Gross negligence  |  | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:53 - Sep 1 with 782 views | homer_123 |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:25 - Sep 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I think it's a bit risky to not sign any other defenders than Diop though, For sure an international market there, as Sunderland proved last year and even Hull this summer to some extent. [Post edited 1 Sep 16:27]
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Wouldn't disagree at all on that.
Assuming said quality can be had, which it 'should' be. |  |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:54 - Sep 1 with 756 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
I understand why some are frustrated about our lack of depth in defence especially, I think it is worth keeping in mind that we have already made 13 signings, to get to a point where we are happy with the depth in every position we would have to go full Demolition Man again. Having said that, there are zero excuses if we don't get another striker. [Post edited 1 Sep 16:59]
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:57 - Sep 1 with 708 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:10 - Sep 1 by ernie |
Context is Sunday and getting ripped apart- 3/4 defenders from 2 years ago is not going to cut it. |
Not sure we'll be as reactive as determining our transfer strategy off the back of 1 game away at Man United. At least I hope not. |  | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:57 - Sep 1 with 710 views | portmanking |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:52 - Sep 1 by bsw72 |
Gross negligence |
I would agree with the original poster.
An injury to O'Shea or Diop and we're having to play Kipre... he's looked even more lumbering in possession in pre-season than last season. He's so not a PL defender.
I mocked Coventry for signing Ethan Pinnock a couple of weeks ago. I didn't realise we'd not even look to improve our cover options. | | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:57 - Sep 1 with 696 views | Ryorry |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:40 - Sep 1 by Ryorry |
Just seen this on news comments, hope NMK doesn’t mind the c & p -
“NeedhamMarketKop added 16:31 - Sep 1
Edit, Burnley have just signed a striker on loan...... Largie Ramazani from Leeds, which could rubber-stamp the Fleming deal.”
Hope he’s right. |
Unfortunately, seems from another thread that Ramazani is a winger, not cf.
Tension back up again then :( | |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:58 - Sep 1 with 677 views | franz_tyson |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:40 - Sep 1 by Ryorry |
Just seen this on news comments, hope NMK doesn’t mind the c & p -
“NeedhamMarketKop added 16:31 - Sep 1
Edit, Burnley have just signed a striker on loan...... Largie Ramazani from Leeds, which could rubber-stamp the Fleming deal.”
Hope he’s right. |
Ramazani is a winger. Not a replacement. | | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:58 - Sep 1 with 679 views | homer_123 |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:41 - Sep 1 by IP1Blue |
Is irrelevant as someone still needs to move on to make spot available in the squad.
Not convincing players to move on or selling players at a cheaper price could end up to be quite costly! |
Don't you simply de-register a player? | |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:59 - Sep 1 with 637 views | Superblue95 |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:52 - Sep 1 by Ipswich_Crazy |
What are you expecting? Signing another 11 players today? We have had an amazing transfer window! |
We’ve had a good window but I’m not sure you can call it amazing if we end up with 6 centre mids and 3 number 10a, while only having 1 left back, 1 left footed centre back and 1 proper right back (plus Outtara who nobody actually knows where his best position is).
It’s incredibly unbalanced |  |
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| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 17:01 - Sep 1 with 622 views | DJR |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:57 - Sep 1 by portmanking |
I would agree with the original poster.
An injury to O'Shea or Diop and we're having to play Kipre... he's looked even more lumbering in possession in pre-season than last season. He's so not a PL defender.
I mocked Coventry for signing Ethan Pinnock a couple of weeks ago. I didn't realise we'd not even look to improve our cover options. |
It's not even a question of overall quality, if O'Neil persists with playing 3 CBs, bringing in Kipre would leave no CB on the bench. |  | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 17:02 - Sep 1 with 591 views | bsw72 |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:40 - Sep 1 by ElGuaje4 |
Strawman fallacy in full swing |
It’s not automatically a strawman just because someone draws an implication from your words or challenges your framing.
When you call it “gross negligence”, it reads like you’re accusing recruitment of a serious failure of duty and potentially that they didn’t do enough work to bring in another centre-back. However the fact we’ve only signed one centre-back doesn’t, by itself, prove they “haven’t bothered” or “haven’t tried”; it only tells us the outcome.
They could have tried and failed, been priced out, had targets choose other clubs, or prioritised other areas.
So the stronger point isn’t “strawman”, it’s that the claim about lack of effort isn’t evidenced by the signings alone. | | | |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 17:03 - Sep 1 with 584 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Flemming close to being agreed. No other signings. on 16:57 - Sep 1 by portmanking |
I would agree with the original poster.
An injury to O'Shea or Diop and we're having to play Kipre... he's looked even more lumbering in possession in pre-season than last season. He's so not a PL defender.
I mocked Coventry for signing Ethan Pinnock a couple of weeks ago. I didn't realise we'd not even look to improve our cover options. |
Were people really expecting us to flip a full 25 man squad in 1 window?
I'm no Kipre lover by any stretch but we've spent £15m on Ouattara, that could free O'Shea up centrally. It's equally true that an injury to Scherpen and Walton is starting. An injury to Fatawu and McAteer starts. An injury to Enciso and we're relying on Egeli. I'm not sure they're any less concerning, more in some instances IMO.
Isn't that just the reality of being a newly promoted side? We've got versatility, we've had a good window, and we've made a decent start to the season. Lets attack the next 17 games and see where we are in Jan. | | | |
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