| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover 10:37 - Sep 5 with 33876 views | Axeldalai_lama |
Will be interesting to see how they're compared to environmental groups who did the same and who mainly showed their faces. Were anti terror laws used against them in the end? Weren't there calls by certain sections on the right to run them over?
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:23 - Sep 6 with 1698 views | positivity |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:18 - Sep 6 by DJR |
Interestingly, the Police and Crime Act 2026 does not apply to Scotland but the general position in England and Wales is that anything is permitted unless the common law or statute prevents it.
On the face covering provisions more generally, this is an interesting article but maybe only to a lawyer. 
https://ukconstitutionallaw.or
"Protesters still have doubts over whether they can trust the police. Even before the advent of live face recognition technology, the police have consistently taken photographs and videos of peaceful protesters, including children. In one instance, the police admitted to sending the Department for Work and Pensions video footage of a disabled anti-fracking protester in an “apparent attempt to have their disability benefits removed.” The nature of this pervasive surveillance was fully exposed in the case of 94-year-old seasoned anti-war campaigner Mr Catt, who had discovered the police had 66 record entries of his attendance of protests. The common law provides the police the power to obtain and store information gathered from surveillance for policing purposes, including the maintenance of public order. In Mr Catt’s case, evidence of his peaceful, anti-war views ended up on the National Special Brand Intelligence System (known as the “Extremism database”)." [Post edited 6 Sep 17:22]
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interesting, but that's the police abusing the law rather than the law itself
also a massive difference between one or two people wearing face coverings and the entire march. can only imagine it would be to stop their outing as violent criminals and domestic abusers as has been the case with recent, similar marches. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:25 - Sep 6 with 1677 views | Benters |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 11:50 - Sep 6 by bartyg |
There is one easy fix then, we'll make every route legal. |
Yeah you’d love that wouldn’t you !
Surely you can see our little Island is full?
Mind you don’t you live in Canada or somewhere like that ? [Post edited 6 Sep 17:28]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:27 - Sep 6 with 1675 views | positivity |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:25 - Sep 6 by Benters |
Yeah you’d love that wouldn’t you !
Surely you can see our little Island is full?
Mind you don’t you live in Canada or somewhere like that ? [Post edited 6 Sep 17:28]
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you've still not answered how the country is less beautiful than in your imagined golden age
edit: you've edited your answer, seems your problem is that there are too many people for your liking, so it appears your problem is with capitalism and the need for more and more growth.
i suggest you might be better off moving away from reform/restore and check out the greens or the communists [Post edited 6 Sep 17:35]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:35 - Sep 6 with 1641 views | bartyg |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:25 - Sep 6 by Benters |
Yeah you’d love that wouldn’t you !
Surely you can see our little Island is full?
Mind you don’t you live in Canada or somewhere like that ? [Post edited 6 Sep 17:28]
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So your problem is with immigration in general then, not the legality of the means.
The UK is ~36th most densely populated country in the world, so there's definitely room for more people.
And no, I'm not sure where you've got that from. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:40 - Sep 6 with 1619 views | tcblue |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:25 - Sep 6 by Benters |
Yeah you’d love that wouldn’t you !
Surely you can see our little Island is full?
Mind you don’t you live in Canada or somewhere like that ? [Post edited 6 Sep 17:28]
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Maybe we could take some on in favour of those here who are net drains on our society, you know, like pensioners who drain the NHS.
It's okay folks! I'm just doing a hilarious extremist views 'bit' which everyone will weirdly put up with. | | | |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:43 - Sep 6 with 1607 views | J2BLUE |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:25 - Sep 6 by Benters |
Yeah you’d love that wouldn’t you !
Surely you can see our little Island is full?
Mind you don’t you live in Canada or somewhere like that ? [Post edited 6 Sep 17:28]
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Does Bentley need a 43 acre village green? Could easily give up half for some new housing for asylum seekers. |  | | |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:06 - Sep 6 with 1548 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:25 - Sep 6 by Benters |
Yeah you’d love that wouldn’t you !
Surely you can see our little Island is full?
Mind you don’t you live in Canada or somewhere like that ? [Post edited 6 Sep 17:28]
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With our increased life expectancy, are you up for banning people having children then? It's just that your mob were talking about heavier taxes for childless people not long ago, so it doesn't feel like they think we're full...? [Post edited 6 Sep 18:06]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:21 - Sep 6 with 1509 views | NthQldITFC |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:27 - Sep 6 by positivity |
you've still not answered how the country is less beautiful than in your imagined golden age
edit: you've edited your answer, seems your problem is that there are too many people for your liking, so it appears your problem is with capitalism and the need for more and more growth.
i suggest you might be better off moving away from reform/restore and check out the greens or the communists [Post edited 6 Sep 17:35]
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Sound advice for Benters, that. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:26 - Sep 6 with 1488 views | Benters |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:43 - Sep 6 by J2BLUE |
Does Bentley need a 43 acre village green? Could easily give up half for some new housing for asylum seekers. |
Don’t worry comrade that day will come.
Silly boy 🤓👍
That’s another thing the LBF/LAS want to do concrete over our once beautiful country 😓 [Post edited 6 Sep 18:27]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:27 - Sep 6 with 1493 views | NthQldITFC |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 16:10 - Sep 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think that's what Stokers is getting at. It's more that certain individuals are quickly on here when someone from the left does something wrong (i.e. we saw a lot of it when Corbyn was Labour leader) and then seem to drag their feet to comment when it's someone on the right. Well that's the perception anyway. It's not quite as much as you and Ryorry are suggesting. Some posters seem, shall we say, a little unbalanced in what they want to talk about.
I think with Farage and Reform, especially, there's a lot of distraction and hoping things blow over, much like Trump's America. |
As it gets more awkward and embarrassing for some of the less extreme right wingers to comment on the latest antics of F*r*ge, Lowegrade, etc, they stay away more than they might otherwise have done. | |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:50 - Sep 6 with 1448 views | positivity |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:26 - Sep 6 by Benters |
Don’t worry comrade that day will come.
Silly boy 🤓👍
That’s another thing the LBF/LAS want to do concrete over our once beautiful country 😓 [Post edited 6 Sep 18:27]
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concreting over the country is very much a pro-growth right wing thing, the lefties are all pro-environment.
maybe you should join greenpeace? or climate action? glue yourself to the maypole on the village green | |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 19:00 - Sep 6 with 1424 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:50 - Sep 6 by positivity |
concreting over the country is very much a pro-growth right wing thing, the lefties are all pro-environment.
maybe you should join greenpeace? or climate action? glue yourself to the maypole on the village green |
He's all over the place isn't he? |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 20:06 - Sep 6 with 1351 views | vapour_trail |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 19:00 - Sep 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He's all over the place isn't he? |
it’s depressing the way he’s patted on the head by people who pretend they’re not aligned with him, joked with about his racism, and treated like some sort of board pet.
Keeps me up off my phone more than generally though, which is a good thing. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 20:06 - Sep 6 with 1360 views | Swailsey |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 19:00 - Sep 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He's all over the place isn't he? |
He’s a terrible poster, the worst on here by far and has been allowed to get away with far more than many others have (on both sides of political lines). |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 20:19 - Sep 6 with 1323 views | StokieBlue |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 20:06 - Sep 6 by Swailsey |
He’s a terrible poster, the worst on here by far and has been allowed to get away with far more than many others have (on both sides of political lines). |
Should never have been allowed to return and was only allowed after a certain element campaigned hard to get their pet racist back.
Even now we have people campaigning for him and saying he didn't/doesn't mean the things he posts.
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 20:35 - Sep 6 with 1270 views | MattinLondon |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:26 - Sep 6 by Benters |
Don’t worry comrade that day will come.
Silly boy 🤓👍
That’s another thing the LBF/LAS want to do concrete over our once beautiful country 😓 [Post edited 6 Sep 18:27]
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If anyone ever tries to concrete over Bentley green please try not protest too much.
Some fella will simply smash a crutch against you as that is apparently ok (to some). |  | | |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 21:05 - Sep 6 with 1204 views | DJR |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:04 - Sep 6 by pointofblue |
I understand you are keeping a level view of all protests, whilst I am being blinded slightly by the approach taken by, usually, far right protests where people so often want to air a grievance but not put their name to it. I wish I could be a little more balanced with the subject, but I am conscious, just with yesterday, how disruptive it was to the people of Dover and, more importantly, how it's partial intention was to intimidate and isolate a segment of our society. |
I understand where you are coming from, and share your intense dislike of the far right.
It's just that measures against far right protests can equally be taken against protests I might support. Antifa protesters, for example, often wear masks. And don't forget the Guy Fawkes masks worn during the Anonymous protests.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wor [Post edited 6 Sep 21:14]
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 21:15 - Sep 6 with 1162 views | Swansea_Blue |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 11:34 - Sep 6 by Benters |
I’d rather we didn’t have thousands of males coming into the country illegally at all tbh.
Yes I know it’s s much of the last Governments fault as it is Labours.
Why does that worry me ? Why shouldn’t it? |
We don’t have thousands of males coming in illegally. It’s not illegal to claim asylum. Only if and when any application has been refused and they overstay their welcome (or came here undetected and haven’t claimed asylum) do they become illegal.
You may even have encountered some refugees when the NHS recently saved your life. It’s very likely non-UK borne people would have been involved even if not former refugees. Does that not make you stop and think that the attacks on migrants in the UK may not be ok? |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 22:43 - Sep 6 with 1010 views | eireblue |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:25 - Sep 6 by Benters |
Yeah you’d love that wouldn’t you !
Surely you can see our little Island is full?
Mind you don’t you live in Canada or somewhere like that ? [Post edited 6 Sep 17:28]
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Reform want the population to increase, and have policies to encourage that. |  | | |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 00:41 - Sep 7 with 934 views | Ryorry |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 20:06 - Sep 6 by Swailsey |
He’s a terrible poster, the worst on here by far and has been allowed to get away with far more than many others have (on both sides of political lines). |
I guess you haven't seen the vile abuse, harrassment, defamation, misrepresentation etc by posters other than Benters then.
He's no angel, and holds some views that I totally disagree with, but he's one of a band on here that unlike those others, have demonstrated care and compassion on an individual basis in practice, including by PM. So whilst I usually agree with you, I'm afraid I don't on this. |  |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 02:21 - Sep 7 with 872 views | Benters |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 00:41 - Sep 7 by Ryorry |
I guess you haven't seen the vile abuse, harrassment, defamation, misrepresentation etc by posters other than Benters then.
He's no angel, and holds some views that I totally disagree with, but he's one of a band on here that unlike those others, have demonstrated care and compassion on an individual basis in practice, including by PM. So whilst I usually agree with you, I'm afraid I don't on this. |
Thanks R.
I won’t be commenting on this thread anymore. | |
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| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 07:01 - Sep 7 with 768 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:27 - Sep 6 by positivity |
you've still not answered how the country is less beautiful than in your imagined golden age
edit: you've edited your answer, seems your problem is that there are too many people for your liking, so it appears your problem is with capitalism and the need for more and more growth.
i suggest you might be better off moving away from reform/restore and check out the greens or the communists [Post edited 6 Sep 17:35]
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Actually socialism is driving the population increase. Capitalism can survive without it - as was the UK model pretty much up to the Blair years - the idea being the growth comes from 1) making us individually better off (until we printed billions of QE) 2) it’s a global economy. Though I accept the Tories most likely aimed to also keep wages down by creating such an unlimited labour pool (and no doubt the same for Reform, look at the donators).
What CAN’T survive without significant population growth is the state pension, which requires ever more tax payers to cover an increasing number of retirees. It’s the ultimate Ponzi scheme.
Other than that I avoided this thread as it’s another that just turned into another one of personal attacks and arguing!*
*Edit - so much so, I forgot what the thread was about!! [Post edited 7 Sep 7:04]
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