| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI 11:49 - Sep 17 with 8711 views | jayessess |
Portsmouth RNLI forced to shut their Portsmouth lifeboat station because they're getting abuse and threats off fascist gangs.
https://www.independent.co.uk/
Beyond time something was done about these people? [Post edited 17 Sep 12:00]
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:08 - Sep 17 with 1078 views | jayessess |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:56 - Sep 17 by leitrimblue |
Some of those that work forces are quite keen on arresting old ladies with anti genocide signs but strangely don't quite fancy arresting grown men who look like they may be up for it, never fitted into the chord sequence apparently  |
I would say it doesn't rhyme, but forces and crosses also only rhyme if you're Tom Morello. | |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:19 - Sep 17 with 1051 views | Guthrum |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:02 - Sep 17 by Libero |
It's a really tricky situation- pushing against these idiots is only going make them push back even harder, the only way forwards is to invite them in and have them feel seen/listened/heard and of course, more importantly, if the quality of life goes up in the country, suddenly, miraculously, less of this sort of thing will happen. [Post edited 17 Sep 13:18]
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Problem is, with the first thing you have a lot of people trying to drive wedges as hard as possible, for media clicks and political power. Artificially increases the alienation, pushes people to the extreme and negates compromise or even rational debate.
With the second, that is tremendously difficult, especially with the current global environment. It's over-promising and under-delivering on prosperity which has got us into this mess in the first place. |  |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:22 - Sep 17 with 1034 views | SomethingBlue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:43 - Sep 17 by leitrimblue |
It is sooo depressing. No idea how we get out of it though |
I can't see that we do. People are being made stupider and enormous amounts of money are being piled into creating a noticeable population % of slavering bigots. |  |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:28 - Sep 17 with 1006 views | positivity |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:05 - Sep 17 by Guthrum |
I'd also like to know which church these supposedly "Christian Patriots" go to. And I'd like to have a word with their pastors (except they are probably some heavily armed blokes covered in Aryan power tattoos in a compound in the USA). |
far be it from me to be doubting thomas' words, but i think i read that his group went en masse.
i'm guessing that it's a church in name only where the pastor is one d thomas, and the god they worship has the same name | |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:30 - Sep 17 with 998 views | positivity |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:22 - Sep 17 by SomethingBlue |
I can't see that we do. People are being made stupider and enormous amounts of money are being piled into creating a noticeable population % of slavering bigots. |
more than 72m in the last week alone, scary | |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:32 - Sep 17 with 989 views | SomethingBlue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:02 - Sep 17 by Libero |
It's a really tricky situation- pushing against these idiots is only going make them push back even harder, the only way forwards is to invite them in and have them feel seen/listened/heard and of course, more importantly, if the quality of life goes up in the country, suddenly, miraculously, less of this sort of thing will happen. [Post edited 17 Sep 13:18]
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Nothing will ever be enough for them because they will always be egged on to the next thing. We've gone past inviting them in. | |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:34 - Sep 17 with 988 views | leitrimblue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:22 - Sep 17 by SomethingBlue |
I can't see that we do. People are being made stupider and enormous amounts of money are being piled into creating a noticeable population % of slavering bigots. |
Think we are slowly moving into unprecedented times.
Historically I don't think there as ever been a period in which a few wealthy individuals could manipulate/influence large parts of the population across the world to this effect.
Think this may be part of the reason why it seems so difficult to fathom or change/improve the situation |  | | |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:40 - Sep 17 with 962 views | Whos_blue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:27 - Sep 17 by lowhouseblue |
people demonstrating against the rnli are disgraceful morons. the rnli helps people in need, saves lives at sea, and has nothing to do with politics or immigration policy. anyone who demonstrates against the rnli is an unpleasant half wit.
BUT the article doesn't actually say what you claim. it says the station closed after demonstrations, it doesn't say it closed because of demonstrations. it is stating two things knowing that an implied causation will be assumed. the only statement from the rnli about why the station is temporarily closed is:
“At times, it is not unusual for lifeboat stations around the UK and Ireland to be temporarily unavailable due to maintenance or other operational requirements."
in terms of what is written in the article there is nothing more to establish the reason for the temporary closure. |
Jeez Lowers. How can you read that article and then chose to partly discredit it with semantics?
It's clear from the entire article that RNLI crews have been getting abuse.
To then use a probable stock statement as a means to question the veracity of the article is just strange.
We all want the truth and accuracy, but come on. |  |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:49 - Sep 17 with 917 views | vapour_trail |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:40 - Sep 17 by Whos_blue |
Jeez Lowers. How can you read that article and then chose to partly discredit it with semantics?
It's clear from the entire article that RNLI crews have been getting abuse.
To then use a probable stock statement as a means to question the veracity of the article is just strange.
We all want the truth and accuracy, but come on. |
It’s just what he does. |  |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:54 - Sep 17 with 901 views | leitrimblue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:05 - Sep 17 by Guthrum |
I'd also like to know which church these supposedly "Christian Patriots" go to. And I'd like to have a word with their pastors (except they are probably some heavily armed blokes covered in Aryan power tattoos in a compound in the USA). |
I find the entire term Christian Patriots weird and amusing enough.
People protesting about the risk of losing our cultural identity, while identifying with a religion and culture from the Middle East that was in many ways fundamental in the destruction of our previous ancient British beliefs and ritual culture.. | | | |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:00 - Sep 17 with 859 views | lowhouseblue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:40 - Sep 17 by Whos_blue |
Jeez Lowers. How can you read that article and then chose to partly discredit it with semantics?
It's clear from the entire article that RNLI crews have been getting abuse.
To then use a probable stock statement as a means to question the veracity of the article is just strange.
We all want the truth and accuracy, but come on. |
buts that's not what the rnli has said. if they had been forced to close due to intimidation surely, for all sorts of very good reasons, that's what they would have said. but they didn't. the article is careful to abut two facts without stating how they are linked. i suspect that is intentional and they are happy for people to infer what you have inferred.
critical reading is an import an skill in an online world. this is a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc. |  |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:00 - Sep 17 with 853 views | lowhouseblue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:49 - Sep 17 by vapour_trail |
It’s just what he does. |
yes, reads critically. thank you. | |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:01 - Sep 17 with 859 views | Guthrum |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 13:34 - Sep 17 by leitrimblue |
Think we are slowly moving into unprecedented times.
Historically I don't think there as ever been a period in which a few wealthy individuals could manipulate/influence large parts of the population across the world to this effect.
Think this may be part of the reason why it seems so difficult to fathom or change/improve the situation |
Not sure it's so different from the early 20th century, when you had the Rothermere/Northcliffe press, hugely influential. Plus demagogues like Horatio Bottomley (well worth looking up as a comparison with Farage).
That was countered by left-wing and working class political movements, which contributed to a growth and broadening of education. | |
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| "The Church of the Poison Mind" (n/t) on 14:01 - Sep 17 with 859 views | Bloots |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:05 - Sep 17 by Guthrum |
I'd also like to know which church these supposedly "Christian Patriots" go to. And I'd like to have a word with their pastors (except they are probably some heavily armed blokes covered in Aryan power tattoos in a compound in the USA). |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:10 - Sep 17 with 814 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:10 - Sep 17 by J2BLUE |
Protesters blocking ambulances was disgusting. At the time I said people should be allowed to physically remove them.
It's exactly the same here. They are scum preventing life saving services. If they get a good kicking while being moved then fair enough. |
The "delaying ambulances" criticism has been levelled at Extinction Rebellion protests, which have caused delays to transport infrastructure. The big differences here are:
1) people are publishing the home addresses of RNLI crew members and other volunteers online
2) the Extinction Rebellion actions were avowedly peaceful, and they did not resist arrest (beyond time wasting tactics) or act with aggression towards the Police or bystanders
3) ER protestors don't cover their faces, and wait for arrest and prosecution because they want their day in court.
4) the Patriots probably want a physical confrontation, ultimately, when they have sufficient numbers present. Some of their members have already used violence against Police. | | | |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:13 - Sep 17 with 800 views | mellowblue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:56 - Sep 17 by leitrimblue |
Some of those that work forces are quite keen on arresting old ladies with anti genocide signs but strangely don't quite fancy arresting grown men who look like they may be up for it, never fitted into the chord sequence apparently |
Need a few of that generation of coppers who scrapped with the miners? They used to have some tear-ups together. The rabble in Portsmouth would soon be running. | | | |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:15 - Sep 17 with 791 views | Hogger |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:05 - Sep 17 by Guthrum |
I'd also like to know which church these supposedly "Christian Patriots" go to. And I'd like to have a word with their pastors (except they are probably some heavily armed blokes covered in Aryan power tattoos in a compound in the USA). |
They almost certainly do not go to any church. They would get nothing but condemnation (gently of course:)) at mine.... | | | |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:25 - Sep 17 with 752 views | Whos_blue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:00 - Sep 17 by lowhouseblue |
buts that's not what the rnli has said. if they had been forced to close due to intimidation surely, for all sorts of very good reasons, that's what they would have said. but they didn't. the article is careful to abut two facts without stating how they are linked. i suspect that is intentional and they are happy for people to infer what you have inferred.
critical reading is an import an skill in an online world. this is a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc. |
Prima facie most people would be forgiven for seeing a causal link, fallacy or not.
I return to my main point, it's an odd article to take the time to critically read.
The link between the two can quite easily be made. | |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:27 - Sep 17 with 737 views | noggin |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:00 - Sep 17 by lowhouseblue |
buts that's not what the rnli has said. if they had been forced to close due to intimidation surely, for all sorts of very good reasons, that's what they would have said. but they didn't. the article is careful to abut two facts without stating how they are linked. i suspect that is intentional and they are happy for people to infer what you have inferred.
critical reading is an import an skill in an online world. this is a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc. |
"critical reading is an import an skill"
As is writing  |  |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:32 - Sep 17 with 718 views | leitrimblue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:01 - Sep 17 by Guthrum |
Not sure it's so different from the early 20th century, when you had the Rothermere/Northcliffe press, hugely influential. Plus demagogues like Horatio Bottomley (well worth looking up as a comparison with Farage).
That was countered by left-wing and working class political movements, which contributed to a growth and broadening of education. |
Just had a quick read about him, interesting enough, thanks.
Few hundred years after my historical knowledge ends..
Unfortunately don't see much chance of a left wing working class political movement arising this time | | | |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:36 - Sep 17 with 701 views | rkc123 |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:27 - Sep 17 by lowhouseblue |
people demonstrating against the rnli are disgraceful morons. the rnli helps people in need, saves lives at sea, and has nothing to do with politics or immigration policy. anyone who demonstrates against the rnli is an unpleasant half wit.
BUT the article doesn't actually say what you claim. it says the station closed after demonstrations, it doesn't say it closed because of demonstrations. it is stating two things knowing that an implied causation will be assumed. the only statement from the rnli about why the station is temporarily closed is:
“At times, it is not unusual for lifeboat stations around the UK and Ireland to be temporarily unavailable due to maintenance or other operational requirements."
in terms of what is written in the article there is nothing more to establish the reason for the temporary closure. |
What is the purpose of you posting this? The reason they have closed seems quite clear, if you look up the RNLI statement in full you would see that the section of the statement you have picked up on to suggest some reasonable doubt about the cause for the closure would seem to have been included to reassure people that lifeboat stations do go off-service from time to time, and that contingency plans are in place to ensure search and rescue cover is still provided in the area:
“Portsmouth lifeboat station has been temporarily off-service since 10 September. We hope to have the lifeboat station back on service as soon as possible.”
"Search and rescue cover continues to be provided through established contingency arrangements, including flank RNLI stations and other declared assets.
“At times, it is not unusual for lifeboat stations around the UK and Ireland to be temporarily unavailable due to maintenance or other operational requirements.
“In such circumstances, established contingency arrangements are put in place to ensure continued search and rescue cover.”
Given the doxxing and threats to life boat crews at this station were very real, and a lifeboat station being fully out of service is an unusual step, particularly for this length of time, the inference that these are connected is reasonable. So while I can see the statement does leave some ambiguity, I would go back to my first question, what is the purpose of your post? Are you this much of a stickler for accurate reporting at all times or just when it paints the far right in a negative light? | | | |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:41 - Sep 17 with 661 views | Dubtractor |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:36 - Sep 17 by rkc123 |
What is the purpose of you posting this? The reason they have closed seems quite clear, if you look up the RNLI statement in full you would see that the section of the statement you have picked up on to suggest some reasonable doubt about the cause for the closure would seem to have been included to reassure people that lifeboat stations do go off-service from time to time, and that contingency plans are in place to ensure search and rescue cover is still provided in the area:
“Portsmouth lifeboat station has been temporarily off-service since 10 September. We hope to have the lifeboat station back on service as soon as possible.”
"Search and rescue cover continues to be provided through established contingency arrangements, including flank RNLI stations and other declared assets.
“At times, it is not unusual for lifeboat stations around the UK and Ireland to be temporarily unavailable due to maintenance or other operational requirements.
“In such circumstances, established contingency arrangements are put in place to ensure continued search and rescue cover.”
Given the doxxing and threats to life boat crews at this station were very real, and a lifeboat station being fully out of service is an unusual step, particularly for this length of time, the inference that these are connected is reasonable. So while I can see the statement does leave some ambiguity, I would go back to my first question, what is the purpose of your post? Are you this much of a stickler for accurate reporting at all times or just when it paints the far right in a negative light? |
As Vappers said, its what he does.
Without fail on duty to 'correct the record' if there is any hint that left leaning posters might be wrong, yet oddly absent to correct right leaning posters. |  |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:44 - Sep 17 with 647 views | Guthrum |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:32 - Sep 17 by leitrimblue |
Just had a quick read about him, interesting enough, thanks.
Few hundred years after my historical knowledge ends..
Unfortunately don't see much chance of a left wing working class political movement arising this time |
There isn't really a cohesive working class any more. | |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:48 - Sep 17 with 628 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 12:10 - Sep 17 by J2BLUE |
Protesters blocking ambulances was disgusting. At the time I said people should be allowed to physically remove them.
It's exactly the same here. They are scum preventing life saving services. If they get a good kicking while being moved then fair enough. |
If you’re talking about the environment protests then you’re comparing apples with pears. These people are targeting and threatening the RNLI. Environmental protestors haven’t targeted emergency services, or threatened them, as far as I’m aware. IIRC there were examples of them letting emergency service vehicles through when they were caught up in congestion. Very different motivations and ideologies. |  |
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| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:54 - Sep 17 with 594 views | leitrimblue |
| Roving gangs intimidating RNLI on 14:44 - Sep 17 by Guthrum |
There isn't really a cohesive working class any more. |
Unfortunately true | | | |
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