| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… 14:05 - Sep 21 with 3659 views | SitfcB |
How is that a legal matter?
Plus so much time has passed since then ffs. |  |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:10 - Sep 21 with 2638 views | ReusersTown |
What a moronic take, have you forgotten that COVID was a potentially deadly virus already? |  | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:16 - Sep 21 with 2577 views | Swailsey |
Because it was a legal issue at the time? And dangerous, especially if it was around the time of no vaccines yet? Not sure if it was. |  |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:17 - Sep 21 with 2561 views | bartyg |
Statute of limitations is up to Switzerland, not you |  |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:20 - Sep 21 with 2522 views | Keno |
Surely Sunderland should get a massive points deduction for this |  |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:25 - Sep 21 with 2473 views | StokieBlue |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:10 - Sep 21 by ReusersTown |
What a moronic take, have you forgotten that COVID was a potentially deadly virus already? |
He's trolling, he's posted a valid story then followed it up with an comment he knows will start arguments given the subject. He's been doing it for years about Covid and has been asked to stop.
As for the actual story, it's an idiotic thing for Xhaka to have done.
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:38 - Sep 21 with 2374 views | SitfcB |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:25 - Sep 21 by StokieBlue |
He's trolling, he's posted a valid story then followed it up with an comment he knows will start arguments given the subject. He's been doing it for years about Covid and has been asked to stop.
As for the actual story, it's an idiotic thing for Xhaka to have done.
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He should have just owned it really, like Djokovic. | |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:44 - Sep 21 with 2326 views | bsw72 |
It is criminal under swiss forgery law which would covers forging, falsifying, or making false statements in official or authenticated documents such as identity papers, certificates, or credentials, with intent to improve one's own or another's position, or to deceive others in legal dealings.
The fact it relates covid or the vaccine itself is irrelevant. |  | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:52 - Sep 21 with 2264 views | mellowblue |
strange to have been caught out after all this time. | | | |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 15:00 - Sep 21 with 2214 views | WD19 |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:38 - Sep 21 by SitfcB |
He should have just owned it really, like Djokovic. |
Maybe he is a coward and didn't want everyone to think he is a massive bell end like Djokovic. |  | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 15:07 - Sep 21 with 2175 views | J2BLUE |
If people looked at the science and everything medical experts were saying and decided to ignore it and not have the vaccine that's fine but the lying put people at risk. We will never know how many extra lives were lost because of stupidity and selfishness like this. |  | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 15:22 - Sep 21 with 2083 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:20 - Sep 21 by Keno |
Surely Sunderland should get a massive points deduction for this |
#100points100 goals |  |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 15:23 - Sep 21 with 2071 views | TIB |
This is the next Ed Sheeran 20 pager…
My take though, he has quite a young family so perhaps didn’t want the vaccine due to their being limited research around its long term effects with pregnancy / births?
Keno right though, points deduction for Sunderland. [Post edited 21 Sep 15:25]
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 15:51 - Sep 21 with 1889 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 15:35 - Sep 21 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, understandable if he was pregnant  |
I reckon his kids kid will just shorten his name to Gran |  | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 16:18 - Sep 21 with 1797 views | SE1blue |
Absolutely baffling how forging documents could be considered a legal matter.
Worlds gone mad… |  |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 16:35 - Sep 21 with 1736 views | CrockerITFC |
Interesting take Sitters...should crimes have a deadline date?
I'm sure Jimmy Saville would've agreed with you there!  |  | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 19:45 - Sep 21 with 1394 views | armchaircritic59 |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 14:10 - Sep 21 by ReusersTown |
What a moronic take, have you forgotten that COVID was a potentially deadly virus already? |
Certainly was, and especially potentially very dangerous for the likes of me and I'm sure others, who have to carry a card with them whenever they go out stating amongst other things that the " carrier is potentially open to overwhelming infection ". Something the " no vaxers " were obviously completely oblivious to. |  | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 20:50 - Sep 21 with 1293 views | balcombeblue |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 15:35 - Sep 21 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, understandable if he was pregnant |
I got my jabs and encouraged everyone I know to do the same.
But I am reluctant to the idea of legally mandated vaccines. Individual liberty, collective harm, bodily autonomy, all are complex moral issues. |  | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 20:58 - Sep 21 with 1266 views | pointofblue |
I think everything's been said about his idiocy, but why has it come out now? | |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 21:26 - Sep 21 with 1184 views | tonybied |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 20:50 - Sep 21 by balcombeblue |
I got my jabs and encouraged everyone I know to do the same.
But I am reluctant to the idea of legally mandated vaccines. Individual liberty, collective harm, bodily autonomy, all are complex moral issues. |
It wasn't legal mandated. He didn't have to have the vaccine, but if he wanted to travel then he did, and had to have proof. He has been accused of forging that proof, which is illegal, not the fact he didn't have a vaccination. |  | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 21:32 - Sep 21 with 1157 views | balcombeblue |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 21:26 - Sep 21 by tonybied |
It wasn't legal mandated. He didn't have to have the vaccine, but if he wanted to travel then he did, and had to have proof. He has been accused of forging that proof, which is illegal, not the fact he didn't have a vaccination. |
I agree, I wasn't saying it was mandated legally, just that I would have been against doing so. It was in the offing for a while in the UK. I think it was mandated in Austria from memory?
Xhaka's error of judgement is rightly costing him. | | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 21:48 - Sep 21 with 1112 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 20:50 - Sep 21 by balcombeblue |
I got my jabs and encouraged everyone I know to do the same.
But I am reluctant to the idea of legally mandated vaccines. Individual liberty, collective harm, bodily autonomy, all are complex moral issues. |
A bit of a hypothetical that one. We didn’t legally mandate them and it doesn’t sound like the Swiss did either. The issue is forging documents to claim he had them when he needed the documents for overseas travel. Very different things. Someone can still choose to be selfish* but that has consequences for them.
(*Not all people who didn’t have vaccines were selfish. Some couldn’t on medical grounds. They faced consequences too even though they weren’t of their own making). | |
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| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 22:04 - Sep 21 with 1073 views | balcombeblue |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 21:48 - Sep 21 by Swansea_Blue |
A bit of a hypothetical that one. We didn’t legally mandate them and it doesn’t sound like the Swiss did either. The issue is forging documents to claim he had them when he needed the documents for overseas travel. Very different things. Someone can still choose to be selfish* but that has consequences for them.
(*Not all people who didn’t have vaccines were selfish. Some couldn’t on medical grounds. They faced consequences too even though they weren’t of their own making). |
We totally agree on Xhaka. Stupid, deceitful, whatever it was.
I appreciate what you are saying about 'selfish', but I just don't see it that way. I think you should have the personal authority to say no without being ostracised for it. I appreciate that was a minortiy view.
Doctor's must have faced a moral dilemma on the 'do no harm' Principle. Giving the vaccine to somebody who faced no harm themselves is pretty close to that threshold. | | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 22:23 - Sep 21 with 1019 views | CrockerITFC |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 22:04 - Sep 21 by balcombeblue |
We totally agree on Xhaka. Stupid, deceitful, whatever it was.
I appreciate what you are saying about 'selfish', but I just don't see it that way. I think you should have the personal authority to say no without being ostracised for it. I appreciate that was a minortiy view.
Doctor's must have faced a moral dilemma on the 'do no harm' Principle. Giving the vaccine to somebody who faced no harm themselves is pretty close to that threshold. |
How do you know for sure they faced "no harm"? Look at Ben Godfrey for example | | | |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 23:12 - Sep 21 with 934 views | positivity |
| Granit Xhaka faked a Covid-19 vaccination certificate… on 22:04 - Sep 21 by balcombeblue |
We totally agree on Xhaka. Stupid, deceitful, whatever it was.
I appreciate what you are saying about 'selfish', but I just don't see it that way. I think you should have the personal authority to say no without being ostracised for it. I appreciate that was a minortiy view.
Doctor's must have faced a moral dilemma on the 'do no harm' Principle. Giving the vaccine to somebody who faced no harm themselves is pretty close to that threshold. |
where do you stand on seatbelts? speeding? running red lights? drug laws? assisted dying? second-hand smoking? noise nuisance?
lots of laws are in place for the common good over individual preference | |
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