| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship 09:19 - Feb 28 with 4364 views | Radlett_blue |
here's last season's wage bills.
Shows what a miracle Chris Wilder achieved at the Blunts. |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:26 - Feb 28 with 3824 views | Bluefish |
So let's look at this again. This is average for the year but I say that jan to may was our highest ever wage bill. Some claim that is ridiculous because 01/02 would be higher.
The average premier league wage for the whole league in 01/02 was £10,884 and we would clearly be at the lower end. Our squad last season would have also been much bigger. |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:27 - Feb 28 with 3812 views | Swansea_Blue |
Swiss ramble has just released a Championship one too, showing the total wage bill and the wage:turnover ratios.
Can't see Reading's position being particularly sustainable!
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:29 - Feb 28 with 3791 views | GeoffSentence |
Generally speaking there is a correlation between wages and performance. But Brentford, Millwall and Sheffield United all show that it is possible to compete, at least for a while, with lower wages. But then, I suppose that is what we were doing under Mick McCarthy for a few seasons. Shame we couldn't do it in the style of Brentford. |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:34 - Feb 28 with 3751 views | brazil1982 |
I don't accept that as much of a reason - as you said, look at Sheff Utd. A competent Manager and coaching team is the priority - staff who can improve the players at their disposal, which was the way football clubs achieved success years ago.
Think it was Ray Crawford in his book that the spine to a good side is a good Goalkeeper, a commanding centre back and someone who can score.
Regardless, these are still eye watering amounts of money to pay - to some incredibly average players. |  | | |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:44 - Feb 28 with 3676 views | SouperJim |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:26 - Feb 28 by Bluefish |
So let's look at this again. This is average for the year but I say that jan to may was our highest ever wage bill. Some claim that is ridiculous because 01/02 would be higher.
The average premier league wage for the whole league in 01/02 was £10,884 and we would clearly be at the lower end. Our squad last season would have also been much bigger. |
It does follow that if our wage bill was our highest ever from Jan to May, large relegation clauses on players contracts would make us still come out 4th lowest for calendar year 2019. Surely we'd be more in line with Rotherham otherwise, as the figures for the other relegated side (Bolton) are for the 18-19 season, not the calendar year, and are very similar to our calendar year figure.
It does all point to our wage bill being much higher than the given figure, pre-relegation. |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:47 - Feb 28 with 3658 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:34 - Feb 28 by brazil1982 |
I don't accept that as much of a reason - as you said, look at Sheff Utd. A competent Manager and coaching team is the priority - staff who can improve the players at their disposal, which was the way football clubs achieved success years ago.
Think it was Ray Crawford in his book that the spine to a good side is a good Goalkeeper, a commanding centre back and someone who can score.
Regardless, these are still eye watering amounts of money to pay - to some incredibly average players. |
Indeed. It helps of course, but more money isn't a guarantee of success. You still need competent leadership and and competent management. | |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:47 - Feb 28 with 3658 views | Bent_double |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:34 - Feb 28 by brazil1982 |
I don't accept that as much of a reason - as you said, look at Sheff Utd. A competent Manager and coaching team is the priority - staff who can improve the players at their disposal, which was the way football clubs achieved success years ago.
Think it was Ray Crawford in his book that the spine to a good side is a good Goalkeeper, a commanding centre back and someone who can score.
Regardless, these are still eye watering amounts of money to pay - to some incredibly average players. |
"Regardless, these are still eye watering amounts of money to pay - to some incredibly average players."
This is why I'm now convinced that ME is happy to stay in L1 for a few seasons, to offload the last of the high earners as they come to the end of their contracts, and replace them with younger, cheaper, and hopefully better players who could do a good job in the Championship.
I think the idea of paying 5 or 6 bang-average players £15-£20k a week is just not something he is willing to entertain. |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:49 - Feb 28 with 3629 views | HARRY10 |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:34 - Feb 28 by brazil1982 |
I don't accept that as much of a reason - as you said, look at Sheff Utd. A competent Manager and coaching team is the priority - staff who can improve the players at their disposal, which was the way football clubs achieved success years ago.
Think it was Ray Crawford in his book that the spine to a good side is a good Goalkeeper, a commanding centre back and someone who can score.
Regardless, these are still eye watering amounts of money to pay - to some incredibly average players. |
That is why some clubs have high wages and paracchute payments are what keep the lower leagues going.
Without them relegated clubs would fold within weeks of relegation and staged payments to non PL clubs would cease at the same time
Meaning not only a loss of income, but an income that is similarly used to make staged payments to other non PL clubs.
It is those players still on PL contracts that cause clubs like Stoke, Villa and the scum to appear to be spending big rather than to be coughing out for players who got them reegated and no other PL club wants.
Sadly there are the numpties who would have parachute payments end.....along with professional football outside of the PL. |  | | |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:51 - Feb 28 with 3618 views | artsbossbeard |
Evans should just simply hand over the reins to someone who can invest the equivalent of Scrooge McDuck's bank balance per annum.
Form an orderly queue. |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:52 - Feb 28 with 3602 views | ArnieM |
These figs merely underline what I’ve been saying for years now . Sky money has destroyed the game. Having watched the game for 50+ years I can tell the quality of football isn’t better in the game now. Players and their pimps only care about one thing - how much they stand to make for the least effort . The game is dead . |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:59 - Feb 28 with 3553 views | Steve_M |
It's the season before for Sheffield United rather than the promotion season I think, they did increase spending for that one but not to the level of the high spenders. That doesn't change the job Wilder did but the budget was bigger than that.
It put's Norwich's promotion 'without spending big money' into perspective too. |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:03 - Feb 28 with 3516 views | brazil1982 |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:47 - Feb 28 by Bent_double |
"Regardless, these are still eye watering amounts of money to pay - to some incredibly average players."
This is why I'm now convinced that ME is happy to stay in L1 for a few seasons, to offload the last of the high earners as they come to the end of their contracts, and replace them with younger, cheaper, and hopefully better players who could do a good job in the Championship.
I think the idea of paying 5 or 6 bang-average players £15-£20k a week is just not something he is willing to entertain. |
I think Evans probably is content to be in L1 with lower wages, although I am sure he would prefer to be higher of course.
I can't think of a justification for paying >£15k (or lower) for average footballers, whether that be Championship or L1. That's where the coaching staff come into their own - and I include Scouts in this who, in a club in our position should be key. Maybe that's where some of the better wages should go - I don't know how many Scouts "we" have (are they shared?) and how much they're paid. Not a lot I understand. | | | |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:17 - Feb 28 with 3461 views | SamWhiteUK |
Is that what it shows? Or does it show that you don't need money to compete and that we were just crap on a footballing level? |  | | |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:21 - Feb 28 with 3425 views | brazil1982 |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:17 - Feb 28 by SamWhiteUK |
Is that what it shows? Or does it show that you don't need money to compete and that we were just crap on a footballing level? |
We are poor as a footballing "side". Poor coaching, scouting and improvement of the players. Finding the "right" Manager and coaching staff seems incredibly difficult nowadays, I think you have to be very lucky. Sean Dyche has done a brilliant job at Burnley with what he has at his disposal. | | | |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:25 - Feb 28 with 3410 views | Guthrum |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 09:34 - Feb 28 by brazil1982 |
I don't accept that as much of a reason - as you said, look at Sheff Utd. A competent Manager and coaching team is the priority - staff who can improve the players at their disposal, which was the way football clubs achieved success years ago.
Think it was Ray Crawford in his book that the spine to a good side is a good Goalkeeper, a commanding centre back and someone who can score.
Regardless, these are still eye watering amounts of money to pay - to some incredibly average players. |
Altho the fact SheffU (and, previously, Huddersfield) is so worthy of comment shows how rare it is to get everything right all at once without spending lots of money to simply buy the best (which latter does not always work, either, c.f. Derby). |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:42 - Feb 28 with 3341 views | Chrisd |
So in a nutshell, ME doesn't really want to pay out on wages and doesn't want to spend on transfer fees either, unless the manager sells our better players and even then he doesn't get all the fee to reinvest in the squad. I appreciate money doesn't buy you success, but it certainly helps and if you pay peanuts expect to get monkeys. Until our approach and ethos changes and that starts at the very top, we aren't going to progress. | |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:43 - Feb 28 with 3330 views | ITFC_Forever |
The bubble is going to burst at some point - the sooner the better.
Football is a ridiculous industry built on dust. It needs a few high-profile clubs to go to the wall (bigger than Bury, Bolton, Macclesfield, Oldham etc) to be the pin to prick the bubble.
Will be a shame for the fans of those clubs, but it needs to happen for the greater good. West Ham might be the ones who do it - their accounts for a couple of weeks ago spelt out how disasterous relegation will be for them if they go down this season.
Villa were almost the ones a couple of years ago when they didn't go straight back up. |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:46 - Feb 28 with 3307 views | Guthrum |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:43 - Feb 28 by ITFC_Forever |
The bubble is going to burst at some point - the sooner the better.
Football is a ridiculous industry built on dust. It needs a few high-profile clubs to go to the wall (bigger than Bury, Bolton, Macclesfield, Oldham etc) to be the pin to prick the bubble.
Will be a shame for the fans of those clubs, but it needs to happen for the greater good. West Ham might be the ones who do it - their accounts for a couple of weeks ago spelt out how disasterous relegation will be for them if they go down this season.
Villa were almost the ones a couple of years ago when they didn't go straight back up. |
We keep hoping for that, but until the Sky/BT/etc. money dries up, the top level is sustainable (and they don't care about the rest). | |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 11:01 - Feb 28 with 3258 views | WeWereZombies |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:17 - Feb 28 by SamWhiteUK |
Is that what it shows? Or does it show that you don't need money to compete and that we were just crap on a footballing level? |
Oh this is an interesting development, your Tasmanian daredevil avatar is critiqued yesterday and today you turn up with a blue squid. Hmm, strokes chin... |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 11:27 - Feb 28 with 3169 views | ElderGrizzly |
That wasn’t the Sheff Utd promotion year. Only those with 2019 in brackets is from last year |  | | |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 12:13 - Feb 28 with 3067 views | jayessess |
Also shows what an embarrassment it is that Rotherham are so wildly superior to us... |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 12:18 - Feb 28 with 3048 views | ITFC_Forever |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 10:46 - Feb 28 by Guthrum |
We keep hoping for that, but until the Sky/BT/etc. money dries up, the top level is sustainable (and they don't care about the rest). |
The top level may remain sustainable, but the chasm between the Prem and the Champ, and the Champ and L1 can only stretch so far before someone falls in it - most likely West Ham.
And then once the top four / five breakaway to form a Euro league, the rest of the Prem isn't so attractive and the tv money will reduce accordingly. | |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 12:27 - Feb 28 with 3011 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
Sheffield United and Brentford, truly incredbile.
Eradicates the myth that wages = quality. |  |
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| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 12:28 - Feb 28 with 3006 views | allezlesbleus |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 12:18 - Feb 28 by ITFC_Forever |
The top level may remain sustainable, but the chasm between the Prem and the Champ, and the Champ and L1 can only stretch so far before someone falls in it - most likely West Ham.
And then once the top four / five breakaway to form a Euro league, the rest of the Prem isn't so attractive and the tv money will reduce accordingly. |
I would love it to be West Ham.
I have it on good authority, that when Ipswich were in the PL, there were a number of meetings between the PL and the PL teams at that team, regarding the distribution of PL (mainly Sky) money. West Ham voted with the big boys (Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool etc) for keeping as much as possible for the PL teams. All of the mid-range / smaller clubs voted for sharing it out more across the 92 clubs.
West Ham apparently, were the only ones outside the recognised "big teams" who voted for the "big teams" to benefit the most.
That fact, coupled with their stadium fiasco, in my opinion, I think that would be the best poetic justice ever if they went bust. |  | | |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 13:23 - Feb 28 with 2872 views | ChiefXL |
| If you're wondering why we struggled in the Championship on 12:28 - Feb 28 by allezlesbleus |
I would love it to be West Ham.
I have it on good authority, that when Ipswich were in the PL, there were a number of meetings between the PL and the PL teams at that team, regarding the distribution of PL (mainly Sky) money. West Ham voted with the big boys (Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool etc) for keeping as much as possible for the PL teams. All of the mid-range / smaller clubs voted for sharing it out more across the 92 clubs.
West Ham apparently, were the only ones outside the recognised "big teams" who voted for the "big teams" to benefit the most.
That fact, coupled with their stadium fiasco, in my opinion, I think that would be the best poetic justice ever if they went bust. |
If that's true then how did they win the vote? |  | | |
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