| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th 22:16 - Apr 13 with 3091 views | ElderGrizzly |
Masks will be obligatory for all citizens after May 11th
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 22:34 - Apr 13 with 2344 views | factual_blue |
Will that help keep the odour of garlic at bay?
#thoughtlessstereotyping |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:17 - Apr 13 with 2313 views | Plums |
Why when Macron says he will increase testing do I instinctively believe him but when Hancock says it...? |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:27 - Apr 13 with 2284 views | J2BLUE |
I think we'll be advised the same about masks.
The government want some time to dither and think about it just long enough for the European supply to dry up. |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:32 - Apr 13 with 2266 views | jeera |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:27 - Apr 13 by J2BLUE |
I think we'll be advised the same about masks.
The government want some time to dither and think about it just long enough for the European supply to dry up. |
I'm not getting any of this talk, but maybe it's me.
Once things are opened up again the virus will come sweeping back and we'll be square one.
If the attitude is to give up because people are finding it a bit hard and the economy is suffering, we all knew that before.
We may as well have not bothered.
Just one person with the virus can cause up to a 400 person spread within a month. Each of those can do the same, as can those affected by them. In practically no time at all we're back into the hundreds of thousands. |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:39 - Apr 13 with 2252 views | Lord_Lucan |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:32 - Apr 13 by jeera |
I'm not getting any of this talk, but maybe it's me.
Once things are opened up again the virus will come sweeping back and we'll be square one.
If the attitude is to give up because people are finding it a bit hard and the economy is suffering, we all knew that before.
We may as well have not bothered.
Just one person with the virus can cause up to a 400 person spread within a month. Each of those can do the same, as can those affected by them. In practically no time at all we're back into the hundreds of thousands. |
Correct, we are quite possibly still at the beginning. |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:50 - Apr 13 with 2228 views | J2BLUE |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:32 - Apr 13 by jeera |
I'm not getting any of this talk, but maybe it's me.
Once things are opened up again the virus will come sweeping back and we'll be square one.
If the attitude is to give up because people are finding it a bit hard and the economy is suffering, we all knew that before.
We may as well have not bothered.
Just one person with the virus can cause up to a 400 person spread within a month. Each of those can do the same, as can those affected by them. In practically no time at all we're back into the hundreds of thousands. |
The lockdown is not designed to eliminate the risk of people getting it. It's designed to reduce the amount of people needing serious treatment around the peak.
The strategy, as far as I know, isn't give up and hope but follow the models of contact tracing and mass testing. There is a voluntary app being developed which I assume will become much less voluntary once lockdown is lifted. I would imagine we'll also have to wear masks when lockdown is lifted. | |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:57 - Apr 13 with 2212 views | jeera |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:50 - Apr 13 by J2BLUE |
The lockdown is not designed to eliminate the risk of people getting it. It's designed to reduce the amount of people needing serious treatment around the peak.
The strategy, as far as I know, isn't give up and hope but follow the models of contact tracing and mass testing. There is a voluntary app being developed which I assume will become much less voluntary once lockdown is lifted. I would imagine we'll also have to wear masks when lockdown is lifted. |
Your first sentence though J, is referring back to the original concept of herd immunity and the flattening of the curve kind of talk.
It's been dismissed, then reinvented, denied again, now being dressed as something else surely.
We aren't testing on a national scale and cannot. It's not possible and it is certainly not possible to think about tracing anything now.
That was only feasible early doors while the numbers were realistic enough.
We still don't even know for sure if people can catch it twice. | |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 00:01 - Apr 14 with 2213 views | Lord_Lucan |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:50 - Apr 13 by J2BLUE |
The lockdown is not designed to eliminate the risk of people getting it. It's designed to reduce the amount of people needing serious treatment around the peak.
The strategy, as far as I know, isn't give up and hope but follow the models of contact tracing and mass testing. There is a voluntary app being developed which I assume will become much less voluntary once lockdown is lifted. I would imagine we'll also have to wear masks when lockdown is lifted. |
It's b0llocks
When lockdown ends you're gonna get the lurgi.
Best you can hope is get it, get over it and then get on with things. | |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 06:44 - Apr 14 with 2130 views | ElderGrizzly |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:57 - Apr 13 by jeera |
Your first sentence though J, is referring back to the original concept of herd immunity and the flattening of the curve kind of talk.
It's been dismissed, then reinvented, denied again, now being dressed as something else surely.
We aren't testing on a national scale and cannot. It's not possible and it is certainly not possible to think about tracing anything now.
That was only feasible early doors while the numbers were realistic enough.
We still don't even know for sure if people can catch it twice. |
And even France aren’t talking about national testing, just testing all With symptoms.
One of the main points, is if France are 4 weeks away from a small relaxation of the lockdown we are at least 6 weeks away if not more given the two countries profiles. | | | |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 07:01 - Apr 14 with 2118 views | ITFC_Forever |
Compulsory masks simply will not work in the UK.
There will be nowhere near enough of them to go round, people will panic-buy them thus creating a further shortage and it will be taking them away from the front-line whose need is greater. |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 07:14 - Apr 14 with 2091 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 07:01 - Apr 14 by ITFC_Forever |
Compulsory masks simply will not work in the UK.
There will be nowhere near enough of them to go round, people will panic-buy them thus creating a further shortage and it will be taking them away from the front-line whose need is greater. |
When face masks are being discussed I assume it's only ever as a potential temporary measure when lockdown measures are lifted however much until a vaccine is developed and ready to be rolled out?
Surely the main exit strategy should be to reduce the spread of the disease as much as possible until a vaccine has been provided. |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 07:18 - Apr 14 with 2082 views | Ftnfwest |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:17 - Apr 13 by Plums |
Why when Macron says he will increase testing do I instinctively believe him but when Hancock says it...? |
Yes I’m looking forward to seeing the fully restored Notre Dame in 4 years time |  | | |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 07:29 - Apr 14 with 2063 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 07:01 - Apr 14 by ITFC_Forever |
Compulsory masks simply will not work in the UK.
There will be nowhere near enough of them to go round, people will panic-buy them thus creating a further shortage and it will be taking them away from the front-line whose need is greater. |
I may have interpreted incorrectly but the Twitter thread in the OP seems to suggest people will be supplied with them? Although I’m still not sure how that will work as presumably people will need more than one mask |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 08:26 - Apr 14 with 1993 views | TractorWood |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 06:44 - Apr 14 by ElderGrizzly |
And even France aren’t talking about national testing, just testing all With symptoms.
One of the main points, is if France are 4 weeks away from a small relaxation of the lockdown we are at least 6 weeks away if not more given the two countries profiles. |
The pressure from the public and press to reopen in the coming weeks will gradually increase and crescendo as the Government dither.
It's Government by reaction. No plan. Just dither and look into what the media asked yesterday. |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 08:30 - Apr 14 with 1989 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
On a side note - I find it somewhat surreal that 2 months ago you wouldn’t be welcome in any supermarket in the land wearing a mask, and now we could feasibly be in a position where you’re not welcome in any without one in 2 months time! | |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 08:57 - Apr 14 with 1955 views | BloomBlue |
Masks? That will be dangerous for all those smokers in France are the masks fireproof? |  | | |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 09:00 - Apr 14 with 1953 views | britbiker |
Two weeks ago I couldn't buy one mask at a trade shop to do decorating work. We have already seen how many of the public react when it comes to hording. I get the feeling that the advice we currently receive from the government is also guided by the lack of masks available to the public. |  | | |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 09:04 - Apr 14 with 1943 views | Radlett_blue |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:32 - Apr 13 by jeera |
I'm not getting any of this talk, but maybe it's me.
Once things are opened up again the virus will come sweeping back and we'll be square one.
If the attitude is to give up because people are finding it a bit hard and the economy is suffering, we all knew that before.
We may as well have not bothered.
Just one person with the virus can cause up to a 400 person spread within a month. Each of those can do the same, as can those affected by them. In practically no time at all we're back into the hundreds of thousands. |
So your solution is indefinite lockdown? What do you do when the government, the banks & most businesses run out of money? |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 09:14 - Apr 14 with 1931 views | britbiker |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 23:32 - Apr 13 by jeera |
I'm not getting any of this talk, but maybe it's me.
Once things are opened up again the virus will come sweeping back and we'll be square one.
If the attitude is to give up because people are finding it a bit hard and the economy is suffering, we all knew that before.
We may as well have not bothered.
Just one person with the virus can cause up to a 400 person spread within a month. Each of those can do the same, as can those affected by them. In practically no time at all we're back into the hundreds of thousands. |
I have already come to the conclusion that at some point I will catch the virus. The government response is purely to spread the admissions to hospital over a greater period.
I have been off work for three weeks and have just received my text from NHS to stay at home for 12 weeks as an at risk person. I am fit but do have a hereditary lung condition. I rarely get illnesses but feel a fraud as im working out at home every day. However when I do catch the illness it could be very dangerous to me. I have a boss who is keen to restart work and totally ignorant to spreading the disease as he feels it is just like a cold. Not sure how this is going to resolve itself. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 9:16]
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 09:45 - Apr 14 with 1889 views | r2d2 |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 08:30 - Apr 14 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
On a side note - I find it somewhat surreal that 2 months ago you wouldn’t be welcome in any supermarket in the land wearing a mask, and now we could feasibly be in a position where you’re not welcome in any without one in 2 months time! |
Half the nation will starve then, because there simply are no masks to be had. |  | | |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 18:04 - Apr 14 with 1774 views | jeera |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 09:04 - Apr 14 by Radlett_blue |
So your solution is indefinite lockdown? What do you do when the government, the banks & most businesses run out of money? |
I don't have a solution Radders, my concern would be if we become too impatient the damage may be worse longer term for it, that's all. | |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 18:22 - Apr 14 with 1752 views | pointofblue |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 18:04 - Apr 14 by jeera |
I don't have a solution Radders, my concern would be if we become too impatient the damage may be worse longer term for it, that's all. |
I agree but I know from talking to others that their mental health is taking a battering at the moment because of the seclusion - they’re either going to make themselves ill through worry or break curfew because they cannot cope any longer. It is one reason the government was trying to hold off lockdown for as long as possible and maybe one of the few ideas which is now being proven correct. |  |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 19:21 - Apr 14 with 1722 views | Lord_Lucan |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 18:22 - Apr 14 by pointofblue |
I agree but I know from talking to others that their mental health is taking a battering at the moment because of the seclusion - they’re either going to make themselves ill through worry or break curfew because they cannot cope any longer. It is one reason the government was trying to hold off lockdown for as long as possible and maybe one of the few ideas which is now being proven correct. |
The only exit I can see is reduce lockdown - allow infection - lock down. Reduce lockdown - allow infection - lock down.
If anyone thinks there is another way I'd really like to hear it. | |
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 19:35 - Apr 14 with 1699 views | pointofblue |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 19:21 - Apr 14 by Lord_Lucan |
The only exit I can see is reduce lockdown - allow infection - lock down. Reduce lockdown - allow infection - lock down.
If anyone thinks there is another way I'd really like to hear it. |
I think they’re looking to go down the test - isolate - trace route to try and prevent excessive spread but we’ll end far more tests than we have available at the moment. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 19:35]
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| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 19:46 - Apr 14 with 1660 views | Lord_Lucan |
| France to begin partial lifting of lockdown from May 11th on 19:35 - Apr 14 by pointofblue |
I think they’re looking to go down the test - isolate - trace route to try and prevent excessive spread but we’ll end far more tests than we have available at the moment. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 19:35]
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How is that going to end this though?
Surely there are only two ultimate solutions - and we haven't got a vaccine. | |
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