| itfcJOE - 15:59 - Sep 3 with 5531 views | Coco |
I've never known you to have such a clear agenda against a Town manager from the outset. I know you're a rational guy and enjoy listening to you on the pod etc but what is the main driver for you wanting Lambert out so much more than any other before? |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:01 - Sep 3 with 4818 views | J2BLUE |
From the outset? There's a difference between an agenda and basing an opinion on decent info to be fair. |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:03 - Sep 3 with 4781 views | Coco |
| itfcJOE - on 16:01 - Sep 3 by J2BLUE |
From the outset? There's a difference between an agenda and basing an opinion on decent info to be fair. |
seemed very against everything very early on. | |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:04 - Sep 3 with 4765 views | Swailsey |
Not sure wanting a manager with an appalling record and seemingly terrible man-management skill is an agenda is it?
I must admit to being surprised by how vocal Joe is being, but if anything it just adds more weight to the argument to get rid of him. |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:06 - Sep 3 with 4754 views | itfcjoe |
I don't think i did from the outset, I was fully behind him even with the free pass in the relegation season - even during the good run at start of last season when performances weren't maybe matching the results I was giving him a lot of credit for putting such a strong foundation - but from just before Xmas, when he started calling out to hide from his own failings I started to get frustrated and when he got the new contract I just couldn't believe it.
I was like this about Hurst around the end too, wnet a bit earlier than most which wasnt popular at the time - when you start hearing the stories coming out of the club from all angles from 1st team to U18s, from academy staff to parents, then you know it's done - there's no coming back from it |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:07 - Sep 3 with 4717 views | Coco |
| itfcJOE - on 16:04 - Sep 3 by Swailsey |
Not sure wanting a manager with an appalling record and seemingly terrible man-management skill is an agenda is it?
I must admit to being surprised by how vocal Joe is being, but if anything it just adds more weight to the argument to get rid of him. |
no, i absolutely agree with all of that. It just seems there is a lot more effort to whip up a storm and condemn any actions of the manager and his backroom team. | |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:07 - Sep 3 with 4716 views | Steve_M |
Odd to pick on Joe for having an anti-PL agenda from the start when:
1). That's untrue
2). Certain posters have very obviously been anti-PL from the start and made furious efforts to play down any positives (and there have been some). |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:08 - Sep 3 with 4695 views | Coco |
| itfcJOE - on 16:06 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I don't think i did from the outset, I was fully behind him even with the free pass in the relegation season - even during the good run at start of last season when performances weren't maybe matching the results I was giving him a lot of credit for putting such a strong foundation - but from just before Xmas, when he started calling out to hide from his own failings I started to get frustrated and when he got the new contract I just couldn't believe it.
I was like this about Hurst around the end too, wnet a bit earlier than most which wasnt popular at the time - when you start hearing the stories coming out of the club from all angles from 1st team to U18s, from academy staff to parents, then you know it's done - there's no coming back from it |
Fair enough and thanks for replying. I suppose i'm just shocked you and other 'in the know' guys are so vocal. Surely it's only a matter of time then? | |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:09 - Sep 3 with 4680 views | hype313 |
Bit of an odd take, think we have all been singing from the same hymn sheet for the same amount of time, Joe maybe a little earlier but that's down to him hearing negative things before the rest of us. |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:10 - Sep 3 with 4669 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| itfcJOE - on 16:06 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I don't think i did from the outset, I was fully behind him even with the free pass in the relegation season - even during the good run at start of last season when performances weren't maybe matching the results I was giving him a lot of credit for putting such a strong foundation - but from just before Xmas, when he started calling out to hide from his own failings I started to get frustrated and when he got the new contract I just couldn't believe it.
I was like this about Hurst around the end too, wnet a bit earlier than most which wasnt popular at the time - when you start hearing the stories coming out of the club from all angles from 1st team to U18s, from academy staff to parents, then you know it's done - there's no coming back from it |
Will those stories ever come out? It probably gets annoying everyone asking you for the ins and outs at the club. And I get you have to respect the people giving it out...But its just so intriguing... |  | | |
| itfcJOE - on 16:12 - Sep 3 with 4632 views | artsbossbeard |
| itfcJOE - on 16:06 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I don't think i did from the outset, I was fully behind him even with the free pass in the relegation season - even during the good run at start of last season when performances weren't maybe matching the results I was giving him a lot of credit for putting such a strong foundation - but from just before Xmas, when he started calling out to hide from his own failings I started to get frustrated and when he got the new contract I just couldn't believe it.
I was like this about Hurst around the end too, wnet a bit earlier than most which wasnt popular at the time - when you start hearing the stories coming out of the club from all angles from 1st team to U18s, from academy staff to parents, then you know it's done - there's no coming back from it |
Pfft! You need to see through the manager at his first friendly to win awards on here. |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:16 - Sep 3 with 4569 views | Guthrum |
There's possibly an element that people are getting rather cheesed off that this has happened at Ipswich Town again. |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:24 - Sep 3 with 4441 views | Metal_Hacker |
| itfcJOE - on 16:16 - Sep 3 by Guthrum |
There's possibly an element that people are getting rather cheesed off that this has happened at Ipswich Town again. |
Can't disagree with that theory Joe or not Joe...I think we've had a belly full these last few seasons
Wonder what it's like to support a normal club |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:28 - Sep 3 with 4394 views | patrickswell |
Just on the concept of people turning against Lambert early, which was mentioned further below, that may be down to the sense that the new manager bounce that he was being lauded for in his early months wasn’t translating to the place where it really needed to: the results column (cue BlueBadger’s “improved performances” post. PR Paul built up very early and I found myself in that camp because it just looked like window dressing without the results to back it up. Not that I held him largely responsible for relegation in 18/19. Sure, he barely made a dent on the issues in terms of keeping us up, but so much damage was caused before he arrived and the players themselves must take huge responsibility for their failure in 18/19.
I thought he’d cracked it with the start to 19/20, but unfortunately it became clear that the hangover from the previous year had merely been delayed rather than dispelled and once it kicked back in, it became clear that he was not capable of arresting it. |  | | |
| itfcJOE - on 16:29 - Sep 3 with 4389 views | ITFC_Forever |
I was very underwhelmed as soon as I read Hurst was going and he was to be appointed (I think Matt Holland spilled beans on Talk Sport?), in the same way I was when Jewell was appointed.
However, I was prepared to give them both a chance. In Lambert's case, we all know the damage Hurst managed to wreak in such a short time, and was happy to give him a free hit for the rest of the relegation season..... even though he had best part of three-quarters of a season, he still had the benefit of the doubt thanks to the two man demolition Hurst and Deputy Doig done on the club.
But while results for the first part of last season were good, performances were never more than ok, and often worse. Then once we lost to Accrington and Rotherham in quick succession, we didn't even have the results to point to any more.
The contstant chopping and changing of players and formations just caused widespread confusion.
We have a very decent squad for this level (albeit probably need another CB), but PL has absolutely no idea on the formation or players to get the best from it.
A preview of the season I read last week said it is often said that PL could inspire players to run through a brick wall for him - but they didn't know how to so. This alludes to his PR / man-management strengths and his tactical weakness. And when that strength is no longer apparent, it leaves him with absolutely nothing.
A squad low on morale, with no identity, shape or strategy of how to improve.
Get rid of him now. This is a crucial season for us and we can't afford to waste any (more) time. He should have gone months ago, at Christmas, after Fleetwood, after the end of the season was confirmed. [Post edited 3 Sep 2020 17:35]
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| itfcJOE - on 16:39 - Sep 3 with 4264 views | itfcjoe |
| itfcJOE - on 16:08 - Sep 3 by Coco |
Fair enough and thanks for replying. I suppose i'm just shocked you and other 'in the know' guys are so vocal. Surely it's only a matter of time then? |
I'll always try and be honest - and maybe I've said a bit too much this week about things but have been biting tongue for a while.
I worry more that there are good people at the club in the playing staff and throughout academy and that Lambert and his team don't fit this for me. People talk about an Ipswich Way, but for me this involves holding yourself and the club to a decent standard and don't think that is what has been done and is being done.
Stories like the photo get out because it is an unhappy camp - when it's like this people can't wait to share the bad news, mostly because it is so unbelievable how bad things can get.
We'll see where we go, but I think anyone with contacts or knowledge of the inner workings of the club will be in the 'when' not 'if' camp, but with Evans it is impossible to know because he doesn't seem to speak to anyone, it really is the whims and opinion of one man that is all that matters | |
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| itfcJOE - on 16:55 - Sep 3 with 4128 views | longtimefan |
| itfcJOE - on 16:39 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I'll always try and be honest - and maybe I've said a bit too much this week about things but have been biting tongue for a while.
I worry more that there are good people at the club in the playing staff and throughout academy and that Lambert and his team don't fit this for me. People talk about an Ipswich Way, but for me this involves holding yourself and the club to a decent standard and don't think that is what has been done and is being done.
Stories like the photo get out because it is an unhappy camp - when it's like this people can't wait to share the bad news, mostly because it is so unbelievable how bad things can get.
We'll see where we go, but I think anyone with contacts or knowledge of the inner workings of the club will be in the 'when' not 'if' camp, but with Evans it is impossible to know because he doesn't seem to speak to anyone, it really is the whims and opinion of one man that is all that matters |
You’ll know ME is taking it seriously as soon as Charlie Woods turns up. He’s his go to man for football issues. |  | | |
| itfcJOE - on 16:57 - Sep 3 with 4111 views | MonkeyAlan |
| itfcJOE - on 16:06 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I don't think i did from the outset, I was fully behind him even with the free pass in the relegation season - even during the good run at start of last season when performances weren't maybe matching the results I was giving him a lot of credit for putting such a strong foundation - but from just before Xmas, when he started calling out to hide from his own failings I started to get frustrated and when he got the new contract I just couldn't believe it.
I was like this about Hurst around the end too, wnet a bit earlier than most which wasnt popular at the time - when you start hearing the stories coming out of the club from all angles from 1st team to U18s, from academy staff to parents, then you know it's done - there's no coming back from it |
We are just going to wait long enough for all the decent managers to be snapped up. ie. Cook and the Cowleys. Knowing our lot they will win the first 3 league games draw a couple, then go on an 8 match losing run, so we will be 14 games in before anything happens. It will be too late as usual by then. |  | | |
| itfcJOE - on 17:13 - Sep 3 with 3985 views | davblue |
as others have said, his Championship season was seen as a free hit for most. There were some encouraging performances in between the 2 penalty areas but our penalty box play wasn't near a decent standard.
Last year, great start without for me there being many good performances and that was a big concern for me but i was told results are all that matter. That's true to a sense but performances give a better indication of where you are at and i didn't see many performances last year where i thought we are going up.
People were raving about the MK Dons game and i thought we kept the ball well in the 1st half and didn't look a threat at all. 2nd half they were all over us and we we lucky to win.
The when we were found out it was nothing short of appalling for 4 months and it was gross incompetence. |  | | |
| itfcJOE - on 17:24 - Sep 3 with 3917 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| itfcJOE - on 16:29 - Sep 3 by ITFC_Forever |
I was very underwhelmed as soon as I read Hurst was going and he was to be appointed (I think Matt Holland spilled beans on Talk Sport?), in the same way I was when Jewell was appointed.
However, I was prepared to give them both a chance. In Lambert's case, we all know the damage Hurst managed to wreak in such a short time, and was happy to give him a free hit for the rest of the relegation season..... even though he had best part of three-quarters of a season, he still had the benefit of the doubt thanks to the two man demolition Hurst and Deputy Doig done on the club.
But while results for the first part of last season were good, performances were never more than ok, and often worse. Then once we lost to Accrington and Rotherham in quick succession, we didn't even have the results to point to any more.
The contstant chopping and changing of players and formations just caused widespread confusion.
We have a very decent squad for this level (albeit probably need another CB), but PL has absolutely no idea on the formation or players to get the best from it.
A preview of the season I read last week said it is often said that PL could inspire players to run through a brick wall for him - but they didn't know how to so. This alludes to his PR / man-management strengths and his tactical weakness. And when that strength is no longer apparent, it leaves him with absolutely nothing.
A squad low on morale, with no identity, shape or strategy of how to improve.
Get rid of him now. This is a crucial season for us and we can't afford to waste any (more) time. He should have gone months ago, at Christmas, after Fleetwood, after the end of the season was confirmed. [Post edited 3 Sep 2020 17:35]
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Totally agree with this. Covid-19 saved his ass. |  | | |
| itfcJOE - on 18:32 - Sep 3 with 3662 views | hadleighboyblue |
| itfcJOE - on 16:24 - Sep 3 by Metal_Hacker |
Can't disagree with that theory Joe or not Joe...I think we've had a belly full these last few seasons
Wonder what it's like to support a normal club |
You need a very good memory to remember any real good times , the club has been slowly slipping for years ,going from a club that others used as an example of how to run a club . Being praised for playing good football , being friendly and giving young players a chance .
Those days are long gone and the fall has just grown over recent years , I feel sorry for some supporters that have never really seen much success to shout about .
The current situation just can't carry on , we need a complete rethink , starting with a new manager .
Unfair to criticise itfcJoe , he knows how bad things are ,so he is right to say things are bad ,but does it without going into detail . He is a poster that speaks the truth . | | | |
| itfcJOE - on 19:06 - Sep 3 with 3514 views | Coco |
| itfcJOE - on 16:39 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I'll always try and be honest - and maybe I've said a bit too much this week about things but have been biting tongue for a while.
I worry more that there are good people at the club in the playing staff and throughout academy and that Lambert and his team don't fit this for me. People talk about an Ipswich Way, but for me this involves holding yourself and the club to a decent standard and don't think that is what has been done and is being done.
Stories like the photo get out because it is an unhappy camp - when it's like this people can't wait to share the bad news, mostly because it is so unbelievable how bad things can get.
We'll see where we go, but I think anyone with contacts or knowledge of the inner workings of the club will be in the 'when' not 'if' camp, but with Evans it is impossible to know because he doesn't seem to speak to anyone, it really is the whims and opinion of one man that is all that matters |
Appreciate the honesty and don’t stop sharing news. Every manager has fallings out with players etc but if not one person is buying into him then he’s done for! The players seem to struggle buying into any vision though which seems a problem | |
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| itfcJOE - on 19:51 - Sep 3 with 3378 views | BlueBadger |
| itfcJOE - on 16:57 - Sep 3 by MonkeyAlan |
We are just going to wait long enough for all the decent managers to be snapped up. ie. Cook and the Cowleys. Knowing our lot they will win the first 3 league games draw a couple, then go on an 8 match losing run, so we will be 14 games in before anything happens. It will be too late as usual by then. |
Frankly, I'll live with Cook being unavailable if it also means the Cowleys are as well. [Post edited 3 Sep 2020 23:31]
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| itfcJOE - on 19:53 - Sep 3 with 3363 views | Herbivore |
| itfcJOE - on 19:06 - Sep 3 by Coco |
Appreciate the honesty and don’t stop sharing news. Every manager has fallings out with players etc but if not one person is buying into him then he’s done for! The players seem to struggle buying into any vision though which seems a problem |
They're not being offered a vision, I think that's the problem. |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 21:05 - Sep 3 with 3222 views | NewcyBlue |
There are only a few posters on here that I will actually listen to when it comes to ITFC.
Joe is top of the list. Closely followed by PJH. Two people whose judgement I can trust and count on.
Being so far removed from all things Ipswich, apart from being on here, I have to rely on other people. To think Joe has any sort of agenda is ridiculous. |  |
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| itfcJOE - on 21:17 - Sep 3 with 3159 views | Coco |
| itfcJOE - on 21:05 - Sep 3 by NewcyBlue |
There are only a few posters on here that I will actually listen to when it comes to ITFC.
Joe is top of the list. Closely followed by PJH. Two people whose judgement I can trust and count on.
Being so far removed from all things Ipswich, apart from being on here, I have to rely on other people. To think Joe has any sort of agenda is ridiculous. |
OK calm down I didn't mean to start some kind of civil war. | |
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