| Just leaving this here .... 13:19 - Jan 29 with 2932 views | Keno |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:21 - Jan 29 with 2906 views | DanTheMan |
I brought this up before, Japan is strikingly similar to us in terms of geography (being an island), population density, aging population etc.
Except they've managed to do far, far better than we have. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 13:21]
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:22 - Jan 29 with 2888 views | J2BLUE |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:21 - Jan 29 by DanTheMan |
I brought this up before, Japan is strikingly similar to us in terms of geography (being an island), population density, aging population etc.
Except they've managed to do far, far better than we have. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 13:21]
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The only thing they haven't done so well is getting vaccines. Unless they've rectified that. They aren't due the Oxford one until about November. |  |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:22 - Jan 29 with 2884 views | chicoazul |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:21 - Jan 29 by DanTheMan |
I brought this up before, Japan is strikingly similar to us in terms of geography (being an island), population density, aging population etc.
Except they've managed to do far, far better than we have. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 13:21]
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Do Japan record covid deaths the same way we do? |  |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:22 - Jan 29 with 2884 views | Keno |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:21 - Jan 29 by DanTheMan |
I brought this up before, Japan is strikingly similar to us in terms of geography (being an island), population density, aging population etc.
Except they've managed to do far, far better than we have. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 13:21]
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Its quite startling when you it like that isnt it? | |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:27 - Jan 29 with 2865 views | Metal_Hacker |
I think it'd tend to be a upbringing thing as well
Where as a lot of people in this Country have been dragged up and not brought up ,I'd tend to think that the Japanese philosophy on a lot of things is very different to (no offence to anyone) but the type of people I see roaming around on particular estate over in Rotherham
Those brought up having empathy and respect for others and then there's the others |  |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:28 - Jan 29 with 2858 views | StokieBlue |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:21 - Jan 29 by DanTheMan |
I brought this up before, Japan is strikingly similar to us in terms of geography (being an island), population density, aging population etc.
Except they've managed to do far, far better than we have. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 13:21]
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One factor is that mask wearing on places like the tube is just common and standard there after their experiences with flu in 1919 and more recently SARS. That simple fact alone probably cut off loads of vectors in early transmission back before everyone got their mask act together.
There are also cultural differences in that the Japanese tend to follow the rules when asked and their government simply told them to avoid transmission hotspots such as badly ventilated places.
There is clearly more to it than the above though so I am sure over the coming years there will be research papers on why they have done far better than not just the UK but virtually anywhere.
Back in July there was some thought that they had resistance to a different form of covid and that might have helped but that seems to have gone quiet and probably has been debunked. I've not checked though and can't right now.
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:28 - Jan 29 with 2860 views | BrightonBlue |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:21 - Jan 29 by DanTheMan |
I brought this up before, Japan is strikingly similar to us in terms of geography (being an island), population density, aging population etc.
Except they've managed to do far, far better than we have. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 13:21]
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Putting politics aside for one moment, there are fundamental differences between Japanese and UK culture. Many Japanese already wore face masks when having a cold or virus. In addition the level of cleanliness in Japan is on a different level culturally. You may recall at the Russia World Cup the Japanese fans clearing rubbish from their part of the stadium. Compare that with the self entitlement that is endemic in the UK. |  | | |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:28 - Jan 29 with 2852 views | factual_blue |
If your deaths from Covid are roughly one per 25,000, you're probably a little less concerned than if your deaths are roughly one per 664 people. |  |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:30 - Jan 29 with 2850 views | Guthrum |
Little bit of an oversimplification.
When you take into account the different strains of Covid and how they spread, we (along with the Iranians, Italians, French and Spanish) got a dose of something much nastier than the prevalent version of the virus in much of the East/South-East Asia region.
Also, the first wave in Japan was quite geographically concentrated, which made it easier to isolate and deal with. Unlike the UK, where it was seeded in numerous locations pretty much simultaneously - even before it was perceived to be a real problem (i.e. late January to early March).
And our second wave included a particularly dangerous mutation.
That's not to say the Government did anything like a perfect job, but there are other factors to take into account. |  |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:42 - Jan 29 with 2783 views | ghostofescobar |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:28 - Jan 29 by BrightonBlue |
Putting politics aside for one moment, there are fundamental differences between Japanese and UK culture. Many Japanese already wore face masks when having a cold or virus. In addition the level of cleanliness in Japan is on a different level culturally. You may recall at the Russia World Cup the Japanese fans clearing rubbish from their part of the stadium. Compare that with the self entitlement that is endemic in the UK. |
Agree with this. We have too many selfish people in this country, whereas many Asian countries do generally feel a sense of duty to their family, neighbours and nation that many in the UK simply do not. Some of this is dressed up as valuing our liberties/freedom, but that's bvllsh1t in my opinion: we have developed into a land of consumerist, self centred, values poor, money driven, ignorant, intolerant, self interested tw@ts............in some instances! |  |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 13:45 - Jan 29 with 2749 views | Illinoisblue |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:42 - Jan 29 by ghostofescobar |
Agree with this. We have too many selfish people in this country, whereas many Asian countries do generally feel a sense of duty to their family, neighbours and nation that many in the UK simply do not. Some of this is dressed up as valuing our liberties/freedom, but that's bvllsh1t in my opinion: we have developed into a land of consumerist, self centred, values poor, money driven, ignorant, intolerant, self interested tw@ts............in some instances! |
Indeed. The rise of the entitled simpleton is largely why the UK is such a mess. |  |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 14:22 - Jan 29 with 2686 views | BlueBadger |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:45 - Jan 29 by Illinoisblue |
Indeed. The rise of the entitled simpleton is largely why the UK is such a mess. |
Yes, but the Labour Party. |  |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 14:28 - Jan 29 with 2666 views | lowhouseblue |
how many japanese people were skiing in the italy / austria last feb /mar? one of the things abut the uk is that back in march we had something like (can't remember the precise figure) 3,000 separate original outbreaks many of which seem to be connected with people returning from winter holidays. |  |
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| Just leaving this here .... on 14:34 - Jan 29 with 2644 views | bluelagos |
| Just leaving this here .... on 14:28 - Jan 29 by lowhouseblue |
how many japanese people were skiing in the italy / austria last feb /mar? one of the things abut the uk is that back in march we had something like (can't remember the precise figure) 3,000 separate original outbreaks many of which seem to be connected with people returning from winter holidays. |
Given that they ordered their schools to close in February, I'd guess not very many were off skiing.
Yes, that is not a typo. I just checked the message that a teacher who works in Japan sent me, and it was February 27th that the order was made.
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| Just leaving this here .... on 14:38 - Jan 29 with 2624 views | BloomBlue |
And Japan was one of the few countries not to have a nationally mandated lockdown, the government ordered a state of emergency but staying at home was voluntary. |  | | |
| Just leaving this here .... on 14:47 - Jan 29 with 2608 views | bluewark |
Maybe they are not obese and old. That was a reason Mother Thérèse Coffey gave the other day for our high numbers |  | | |
| Just leaving this here .... on 16:23 - Jan 29 with 2558 views | eireblue |
| Just leaving this here .... on 13:30 - Jan 29 by Guthrum |
Little bit of an oversimplification.
When you take into account the different strains of Covid and how they spread, we (along with the Iranians, Italians, French and Spanish) got a dose of something much nastier than the prevalent version of the virus in much of the East/South-East Asia region.
Also, the first wave in Japan was quite geographically concentrated, which made it easier to isolate and deal with. Unlike the UK, where it was seeded in numerous locations pretty much simultaneously - even before it was perceived to be a real problem (i.e. late January to early March).
And our second wave included a particularly dangerous mutation.
That's not to say the Government did anything like a perfect job, but there are other factors to take into account. |
“... even before it was perceived to be a real problem...”
Correct, Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock didn’t perceive it to be a big danger, the former of course was having a bit of rest and getting his divorce sorted. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 17:38]
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| Just leaving this here .... on 16:40 - Jan 29 with 2529 views | eastangliaisblue |
I still scratch my head how Cheltenham festival was still allowed to go ahead, while the rest of Europe was locking down. |  | | |
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