| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:04 - Mar 12 with 3199 views | homer_123 |
Whilst I recognise and respect the right of anyone to protest.
I would ask anyone thinking of joining a large gathering to contemplate and reflect on this before doing so, given the current Covid situation. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:19 - Mar 12 with 3157 views | clive_baker |
Anything men can do to help women feel more comfortable and safe on our streets I'm all for. I've seen a lot of things being shared on social media which I've learned a bit from, crossing the road if I'm walking behind a female for example which I probably wouldn't have considered previously. That's all great, and I'm all for it. Raising awareness of the issue is important.
The problem for me really is it's preaching to the converted in some respects isn't it? They won't legislate for the actions of lunatics like whoever committed that crime on Sarah Everard. The world will never be rid of psycho's like that.
The question moving forward and what I really hope comes from this is asking what tangible actions can we take to help prevent such, admittedly rate, events from happening. Prevention is better than cure. Practical solutions, deterrents by way of the stiffest of sentences for lesser crimes. I don't know the stats but I would wager it's rare to go from clean record civilian to committing a murder of a stranger. This chap, if it is indeed he who did this, was reported only 2 days before for indecent exposure, and was still at work the next day.
How can we better work with and reform those who might be likely of committing such crimes, if they're not beyond help. Can we use technology to better protect innocent civilians? As fellow citizens, what signs should we be looking out for each other as we go about our business to help protect others? There's an education piece probably. I really hope Sarah doesn't die in vein, and we can keep learning lessons to help mitigate the risk of this happening again. [Post edited 12 Mar 2021 10:20]
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:37 - Mar 12 with 3093 views | Fixed_It |
Irresponsible at this time. Obviously I agree with the sentiment, but... |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:40 - Mar 12 with 3089 views | Radlett_blue |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:19 - Mar 12 by clive_baker |
Anything men can do to help women feel more comfortable and safe on our streets I'm all for. I've seen a lot of things being shared on social media which I've learned a bit from, crossing the road if I'm walking behind a female for example which I probably wouldn't have considered previously. That's all great, and I'm all for it. Raising awareness of the issue is important.
The problem for me really is it's preaching to the converted in some respects isn't it? They won't legislate for the actions of lunatics like whoever committed that crime on Sarah Everard. The world will never be rid of psycho's like that.
The question moving forward and what I really hope comes from this is asking what tangible actions can we take to help prevent such, admittedly rate, events from happening. Prevention is better than cure. Practical solutions, deterrents by way of the stiffest of sentences for lesser crimes. I don't know the stats but I would wager it's rare to go from clean record civilian to committing a murder of a stranger. This chap, if it is indeed he who did this, was reported only 2 days before for indecent exposure, and was still at work the next day.
How can we better work with and reform those who might be likely of committing such crimes, if they're not beyond help. Can we use technology to better protect innocent civilians? As fellow citizens, what signs should we be looking out for each other as we go about our business to help protect others? There's an education piece probably. I really hope Sarah doesn't die in vein, and we can keep learning lessons to help mitigate the risk of this happening again. [Post edited 12 Mar 2021 10:20]
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A thoughtful post, but like most forms of anti social and criminal behaviour, those who do it will completely ignore the sentiments. As you say, you're preaching to the converted & that often makes decent citizens feel better about themselves.
It's pretty much a proven fact that stiff sentences make next to no difference to the likelihood of someone committing crime, although they please Daily Mail readers. Prison doesn't work & locking people up for relatively minor offences does nothing to reduce the re-offending rate & probably increases it. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:44 - Mar 12 with 3073 views | bluelagos |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:37 - Mar 12 by Fixed_It |
Irresponsible at this time. Obviously I agree with the sentiment, but... |
But what?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-suffolk-52951826
Perfectly possible to demonstrate in CV secure manner, as many people did in June in Ipswich.
Of course that requires people to actually give a fck. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:47 - Mar 12 with 3063 views | Fixed_It |
We'll see. They still have to travel to get there etc. And as others have said, it is merely preaching to the converted and making people feel good about themselves. It is hardly likely to impact the potential perpetrators in any way. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:48 - Mar 12 with 3038 views | clive_baker |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:40 - Mar 12 by Radlett_blue |
A thoughtful post, but like most forms of anti social and criminal behaviour, those who do it will completely ignore the sentiments. As you say, you're preaching to the converted & that often makes decent citizens feel better about themselves.
It's pretty much a proven fact that stiff sentences make next to no difference to the likelihood of someone committing crime, although they please Daily Mail readers. Prison doesn't work & locking people up for relatively minor offences does nothing to reduce the re-offending rate & probably increases it. |
I think there's 2 issues at play. 1 is what small changes can we make that help women feel safer in their day to day? I would wager all women have felt unsafe at some point, mostly unnecessarily (as they don't all fall victim to crime). So if there's changes we can make socially, or technologically to reduce the likelihood of that and make people feel safer walking our streets then we should be all ears. That could improve the quality of life for all women. And men, to be fair.
None of that probably prevents what happened to Sarah Everard though. Legislating for a lunatic deciding to go out at night and abduct and murder a stranger is much more difficult. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:52 - Mar 12 with 3032 views | bluelagos |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:48 - Mar 12 by clive_baker |
I think there's 2 issues at play. 1 is what small changes can we make that help women feel safer in their day to day? I would wager all women have felt unsafe at some point, mostly unnecessarily (as they don't all fall victim to crime). So if there's changes we can make socially, or technologically to reduce the likelihood of that and make people feel safer walking our streets then we should be all ears. That could improve the quality of life for all women. And men, to be fair.
None of that probably prevents what happened to Sarah Everard though. Legislating for a lunatic deciding to go out at night and abduct and murder a stranger is much more difficult. |
People aren't born violent to women, any more than people are born racist.
Sexist attitudes are learned and everyone who turns a blind eye, laughs them off is enabling them. For me, they need to be challenged just as robustly as racist ones are imho.
I know in the past I haven't been as vocal over sexism as I have over racism and that is wrong. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:55 - Mar 12 with 3023 views | Fixed_It |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:47 - Mar 12 by Fixed_It |
We'll see. They still have to travel to get there etc. And as others have said, it is merely preaching to the converted and making people feel good about themselves. It is hardly likely to impact the potential perpetrators in any way. |
Well I clearly 'don't give a fck'. Please enlighten me what it is that is hoped to be achieved, other than the possible spread of covid? Yes, it highlights an issue. But I don't need to be there to be aware. I'm not deliberately being awkward, I just don't see what the objective is, and question the timing when we are still in lockdown. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:59 - Mar 12 with 3005 views | TractorWood |
I think it's fair to ask about precautions on covid as this does, factually speaking appear to be in breach of the law. A law that is in place to keep everyone as safe as possible during a global pandemic. Short, medium and long term.
It's tragic this can't just go ahead but in reality every day people are making fundamental sacrifices of their freedom to ensure this goes away. People need to buy into that. Freedom is laid out with tangible dates and encouraging data, people just need to wait a tiny bit longer. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 11:07 - Mar 12 with 2939 views | Fixed_It |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:55 - Mar 12 by Fixed_It |
Well I clearly 'don't give a fck'. Please enlighten me what it is that is hoped to be achieved, other than the possible spread of covid? Yes, it highlights an issue. But I don't need to be there to be aware. I'm not deliberately being awkward, I just don't see what the objective is, and question the timing when we are still in lockdown. |
Easy to give downarrows. But I have asked you to enlighten me re. the objectives of such a gathering - at a time when it is in breach of the lockdown laws. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 11:10 - Mar 12 with 2921 views | BlueWorldOrder |
Ipswich is a unsafe place in places at night. It won't be solved until there is more policing and dealing with the various criminal gangs that operate throughout the town. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 13:56 - Mar 12 with 2766 views | BlueBadger |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 11:10 - Mar 12 by BlueWorldOrder |
Ipswich is a unsafe place in places at night. It won't be solved until there is more policing and dealing with the various criminal gangs that operate throughout the town. |
Starting with Tom Hunt, who's representing the criminal gang who've spent the last ten years reducing police numbers. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 14:26 - Mar 12 with 2715 views | BlueWorldOrder |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 13:56 - Mar 12 by BlueBadger |
Starting with Tom Hunt, who's representing the criminal gang who've spent the last ten years reducing police numbers. |
What about the culture of the Town though? He's not been an MP over the 20 years of the decline in Ipswich. We need a better community as well. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 14:38 - Mar 12 with 2690 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:52 - Mar 12 by bluelagos |
People aren't born violent to women, any more than people are born racist.
Sexist attitudes are learned and everyone who turns a blind eye, laughs them off is enabling them. For me, they need to be challenged just as robustly as racist ones are imho.
I know in the past I haven't been as vocal over sexism as I have over racism and that is wrong. |
We have a society and economic system with unequal power dynamics at their core, until both of these change to something more egalitarian/cooperative the consequences will play out in all sorts of unsavory ways. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 14:39 - Mar 12 with 2687 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 10:55 - Mar 12 by Fixed_It |
Well I clearly 'don't give a fck'. Please enlighten me what it is that is hoped to be achieved, other than the possible spread of covid? Yes, it highlights an issue. But I don't need to be there to be aware. I'm not deliberately being awkward, I just don't see what the objective is, and question the timing when we are still in lockdown. |
I imagine it is about wanting to be heard! | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:15 - Mar 12 with 2633 views | BlueBadger |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 14:26 - Mar 12 by BlueWorldOrder |
What about the culture of the Town though? He's not been an MP over the 20 years of the decline in Ipswich. We need a better community as well. |
I quite agree. A community that would elect a desperately thick xenophobic sycophant like Hunt could probably do with some immigration to make it more open minded. [Post edited 12 Mar 2021 15:20]
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:17 - Mar 12 with 2598 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 14:39 - Mar 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I imagine it is about wanting to be heard! |
Time and a place though...and it isn't now. Seems to me this has grown from a vigil for Sarah into a nationwide let's all get out of the house opportunity for some....just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. Anyone advocating attending mass gatherings is again sticking two fingers up at those who have done so much over the last few months to get us to a point of near freedom. I suspect most attending these events will have yet to be vaccinated so I don't see why waiting a few more months to then gather for a decent cause is so tough. |  | | |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:19 - Mar 12 with 2602 views | jeera |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 14:26 - Mar 12 by BlueWorldOrder |
What about the culture of the Town though? He's not been an MP over the 20 years of the decline in Ipswich. We need a better community as well. |
So perhaps the local MP would be best placed to oversee this change?
But most certainly not this one. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:20 - Mar 12 with 2596 views | J2BLUE |
Don't see an issue if they are wearing masks and keeping distance. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:27 - Mar 12 with 2566 views | monytowbray |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:20 - Mar 12 by J2BLUE |
Don't see an issue if they are wearing masks and keeping distance. |
I've been to multiple protests during COVID and I've felt safer and less vulnerable at all of them than I do when I have to pop to the supermarket or use public transport.
Those who whinge about them would do good to actually attend one rather than making up b0ll0cks in their own mind. |  |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:27 - Mar 12 with 2567 views | bluelagos |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 11:07 - Mar 12 by Fixed_It |
Easy to give downarrows. But I have asked you to enlighten me re. the objectives of such a gathering - at a time when it is in breach of the lockdown laws. |
Sorry, been out.
I don't speak for anyone other than myself, but to stand in solidarity with anyone else disgusted as the continuing issue of male violence towards women is a good enough reason for me. You of course are welcome not to agree / share my views. | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:28 - Mar 12 with 2553 views | BlueBadger |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:17 - Mar 12 by mikeybloo88 |
Time and a place though...and it isn't now. Seems to me this has grown from a vigil for Sarah into a nationwide let's all get out of the house opportunity for some....just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. Anyone advocating attending mass gatherings is again sticking two fingers up at those who have done so much over the last few months to get us to a point of near freedom. I suspect most attending these events will have yet to be vaccinated so I don't see why waiting a few more months to then gather for a decent cause is so tough. |
If not now, when? | |
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:29 - Mar 12 with 2543 views | monytowbray |
| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:28 - Mar 12 by BlueBadger |
If not now, when? |
It's the classic MCWB syndrome that Glassers self diagnosed last year.
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| Seems there is a Reclaim the streets event in Ipswich tomorrow on 15:37 - Mar 12 with 2519 views | Swansea_Blue |
Super important issue. If it's acceptable to open up schools and have people crammed on commuter trains because they have been told they have to be in work, surely we can find a way to try and raise awareness of violence against women?
I do worry about the idiots who don't seem to understand the concept of social distancing and personal space. Also public transport could be a problem. But an outside, socially distanced gathering should be fine based on what we know. Keeping it socially distanced is the challenge. |  |
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