| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers 09:13 - May 21 with 2914 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
we've had in recent memory. Certainly top two in any case.
But some of the stuff that Paul Cook has said since he came in, in particular around fitness struck a cord with me and then I remembered this interview -
 Hurst "Surprised By One or Two Things" That Are "Nowhere Near Good Enough" 17th Jul 2018 06:00New Blues boss Paul Hurst admits he’s been “surprised by one or two things” since taking over at Portman Road, which he believes are “nowhere near good enough” for him and his staff. The Town manager says the sale of central defender Adam Webster - who he doesn’t expect to be the last departure during this window - has allowed him to put his mark on a squad which he believes needs freshening up.  84
It's odd isn't it? This was a squad that had just lost Mick and you would expect a Mick side to have very very high levels of fitness.So much so that at the time, I completely dismissed what Hurst was saying and it just became one of many many alarm bells that started ringing for me very early in Hurst's time. Seems he had a point. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:15 - May 21 with 2552 views | chrismakin |
Didnt mick once say that the likes of Chambers were allowed to look after their own fitness regimes as they know their bodies and what they are capable of.. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:17 - May 21 with 2520 views | footers |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:15 - May 21 by chrismakin |
Didnt mick once say that the likes of Chambers were allowed to look after their own fitness regimes as they know their bodies and what they are capable of.. |
Not Mick but one of the club's physio bods, worryingly. Don't think he's still here though. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:19 - May 21 with 2492 views | chrismakin |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:17 - May 21 by footers |
Not Mick but one of the club's physio bods, worryingly. Don't think he's still here though. |
Suppose it goes with LON's "bodies arent made for football" lol. | |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:26 - May 21 with 2432 views | SWGF |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:15 - May 21 by chrismakin |
Didnt mick once say that the likes of Chambers were allowed to look after their own fitness regimes as they know their bodies and what they are capable of.. |
How many matches did Chambers subsequently miss due to lack of fitness? |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:28 - May 21 with 2418 views | Darth_Koont |
To be fair, that’s a really odd interview especially in retrospect. Seems to be quite a lot of mind games and him trying to set his stamp on the group because the fact remains he was talking about a side that finished mid-table in the Championship with one of the lower budgets.
If that was down to good recruitment and good man management, and despite fitness or playing ability, then that was a disastrous summer even by Hurst’s own standards. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:29 - May 21 with 2402 views | chrismakin |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:26 - May 21 by SWGF |
How many matches did Chambers subsequently miss due to lack of fitness? |
Sorry it wasnt about how it effected chambers himself more of a point about players being left to their own fitness work where as usually it's something done for you and closely watched. | |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:29 - May 21 with 2417 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:15 - May 21 by chrismakin |
Didnt mick once say that the likes of Chambers were allowed to look after their own fitness regimes as they know their bodies and what they are capable of.. |
It got that bad under Lambert and Jim Henry, that when lockdown first happened last March/April, the first team players were told to just 'keep active'. No plans, no nothing, just keep active.
Whereas the academy lads were all given plans etc to keep ticking over till when they could get back in. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:29 - May 21 with 2404 views | OwainG1992 |
Jeez when you think just how excited we were at this point in time.
How wrong we were. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:40 - May 21 with 2304 views | Steve_M |
And yet, for all Hurst's talk about fitness right from the first match we looked to be lacking in fitness and sharpness. They weren't very organised either.
It's clear that the team weren't fit enough last season for the way Hurst wanted to play, but then Lambert checked out during the long break last Summer and we had no fitness coach for three months. That isn't really down to the players, as well as some like Skuse and Chambers still looked after themselves. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:51 - May 21 with 2210 views | PositivelyPortman |
Reading the comments below the Hurst article are interesting.
Everybody seems highly pleased that he’s stirring up the lazy players and those that have had it too easy.
Sounds very familiar to Cookie’s comments.
Problems with player power even then methinks, and I’m so pleased that Cook has cleared out lot of them now. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 10:01 - May 21 with 2118 views | JDB23 |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:40 - May 21 by Steve_M |
And yet, for all Hurst's talk about fitness right from the first match we looked to be lacking in fitness and sharpness. They weren't very organised either.
It's clear that the team weren't fit enough last season for the way Hurst wanted to play, but then Lambert checked out during the long break last Summer and we had no fitness coach for three months. That isn't really down to the players, as well as some like Skuse and Chambers still looked after themselves. |
Yeah, we looked miles off newly promoted Blackburn in terms of fitness and physicality. That alone put doubts in my head around the squad he had put together, never mind them all being lower league signings.
Part of the reason why Cook needs to get off to a good start, yes his team will need some time to bed in but we should expect to see some traits that will define how we play over the season. |  | | |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 10:18 - May 21 with 2026 views | WeWereZombies |
 The Keane Berets 30th Jul 2009 15:39Boss Roy Keane says the squad's two-day visit to the Colchester Garrison will stand them in good stead for the season ahead. The Blues were put through their paces by the 7th Parachute Regiment Royal Horse Artillery. 0
Other one of the top two? |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 10:30 - May 21 with 1946 views | BlueBadger |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:29 - May 21 by chrismakin |
Sorry it wasnt about how it effected chambers himself more of a point about players being left to their own fitness work where as usually it's something done for you and closely watched. |
The state of Norwood most of the past two seasons is a testament to that. That he was unfit for most of them is one thing, allowing him to get overweight is completely unforgivable, from both coaching staff and player. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 10:33 - May 21 with 1923 views | chrismakin |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 10:30 - May 21 by BlueBadger |
The state of Norwood most of the past two seasons is a testament to that. That he was unfit for most of them is one thing, allowing him to get overweight is completely unforgivable, from both coaching staff and player. |
Norwood. Edwards. Both players bigger and unfitter than when they first arrived. | |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 10:46 - May 21 with 1850 views | pointofblue |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 10:33 - May 21 by chrismakin |
Norwood. Edwards. Both players bigger and unfitter than when they first arrived. |
And they both came from lower league teams (at the time) - how did lower league teams have better fitness regimes in place than us? | |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 10:51 - May 21 with 1814 views | textbackup |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:29 - May 21 by Kieran_Knows |
It got that bad under Lambert and Jim Henry, that when lockdown first happened last March/April, the first team players were told to just 'keep active'. No plans, no nothing, just keep active.
Whereas the academy lads were all given plans etc to keep ticking over till when they could get back in. |
Bloke I work with lives next door to a current first teamer... when lockdown 1 happened player X raided the clubs gym for weights, he then set them up in my work mates small home gym, and went in twice, he called to him 2/3 times and asked if he fancied a work out with him.... he didn’t |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 11:10 - May 21 with 1690 views | BlueBadger |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:40 - May 21 by Steve_M |
And yet, for all Hurst's talk about fitness right from the first match we looked to be lacking in fitness and sharpness. They weren't very organised either.
It's clear that the team weren't fit enough last season for the way Hurst wanted to play, but then Lambert checked out during the long break last Summer and we had no fitness coach for three months. That isn't really down to the players, as well as some like Skuse and Chambers still looked after themselves. |
The more we learn about how amateurishly the club's been run over the past decade or so, the more I think what Mick managed with us was astonishing. To have us consistently safe and/or competing top half whilst working against all that is quite something. | |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 11:57 - May 21 with 1513 views | Epiphone |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 11:10 - May 21 by BlueBadger |
The more we learn about how amateurishly the club's been run over the past decade or so, the more I think what Mick managed with us was astonishing. To have us consistently safe and/or competing top half whilst working against all that is quite something. |
Just think what we could’ve achieved if Mick had been a “proper” manager and sorted out all the bleeding’ obvious shortcomings,oh yeah but Hurst! |  | | |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 11:59 - May 21 with 1493 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:19 - May 21 by chrismakin |
Suppose it goes with LON's "bodies arent made for football" lol. |
That comment was such a maddening thing to say. |  |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 12:03 - May 21 with 1460 views | chrismakin |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 11:10 - May 21 by BlueBadger |
The more we learn about how amateurishly the club's been run over the past decade or so, the more I think what Mick managed with us was astonishing. To have us consistently safe and/or competing top half whilst working against all that is quite something. |
I have to disagree slightly there.
The fitness levels of the squad mick had matched his style though that was the problem. The players he brought in.. Tabby. Douglas etc were not going to have the high press front foot fitness required that the likes of Hirst and cook would want. Lamberts suited it as both mick and Lambert squads sat back. This is the problem. Weve had 2 front foot managers come in and taken over squads managed by two back foot style managers.
I actually wonder of this is the main reason why mick squads always end up relegated after he leaves as if he leaves it's to try to get a better more entertaining and hopefully winning style going.. but his squads just dont have it in them. That's not being over negative about mick himself as what he does works for him. And being honest as a manager you only look at your squad not the next managers. [Post edited 21 May 2021 12:04]
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 12:26 - May 21 with 1349 views | Steve_M |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 12:03 - May 21 by chrismakin |
I have to disagree slightly there.
The fitness levels of the squad mick had matched his style though that was the problem. The players he brought in.. Tabby. Douglas etc were not going to have the high press front foot fitness required that the likes of Hirst and cook would want. Lamberts suited it as both mick and Lambert squads sat back. This is the problem. Weve had 2 front foot managers come in and taken over squads managed by two back foot style managers.
I actually wonder of this is the main reason why mick squads always end up relegated after he leaves as if he leaves it's to try to get a better more entertaining and hopefully winning style going.. but his squads just dont have it in them. That's not being over negative about mick himself as what he does works for him. And being honest as a manager you only look at your squad not the next managers. [Post edited 21 May 2021 12:04]
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Tabb didn't know how to press? Did you actually watch the team during 2014-15 at all? The loss of Tabbb, Stephen Hunt and Paul Anderson in favour of a fleetingly more attractive but ultimately less effectual side was MM's biggest mistake here.
Douglas couldn't do that as his fitness had gone granted.
Hurst's side didn't play on the front foot either, one striker isolated with a midfield that didn't create many chances certainly isn't progressive football. | |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 12:52 - May 21 with 1235 views | PhilTWTD |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 09:17 - May 21 by footers |
Not Mick but one of the club's physio bods, worryingly. Don't think he's still here though. |
That comment was very much overanalysed. It was Andy Liddell, basically saying players get the final say on whether they're able to play if they've got/had a knock as they "know their bodies" which is very standard; only they know the extent of the pain, how the injury might feel etc. |  | | |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 13:01 - May 21 with 1167 views | chrismakin |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 12:26 - May 21 by Steve_M |
Tabb didn't know how to press? Did you actually watch the team during 2014-15 at all? The loss of Tabbb, Stephen Hunt and Paul Anderson in favour of a fleetingly more attractive but ultimately less effectual side was MM's biggest mistake here.
Douglas couldn't do that as his fitness had gone granted.
Hurst's side didn't play on the front foot either, one striker isolated with a midfield that didn't create many chances certainly isn't progressive football. |
Didnt day Tabby didnt know how.. his fitness didnt allow him to for prolonged periods. No different to others I mentioned alongside him.
Regarding Hurst. I agree... but that's a mixture of his transfers failing and those already here not fit enough despite a pre season. | |
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| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 13:16 - May 21 with 1103 views | BlueBadger |
| Don't get me wrong, Hurst was one of the worst managers on 11:57 - May 21 by Epiphone |
Just think what we could’ve achieved if Mick had been a “proper” manager and sorted out all the bleeding’ obvious shortcomings,oh yeah but Hurst! |
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