| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert 18:57 - Oct 3 with 4974 views | Bluefish |
And I still believe he could possibly be successful but he has utterly failed. Only Ipswich Town supporters would try and excuse just how bad he has performed so far. We will never reach out potential while we continue to excuse levels like this. He should go now |  |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 19:05 - Oct 3 with 2995 views | Swansea_Blue |
I can’t say I’ve ever hated anyone linked to the club. Keane was the closest as he was a nasty piece of work.
I’m still waiting patiently (like a good little Suffolk buh) for Cook to show something. I’ve not seen anything yet to suggest he’s as good as a lot of people claim he is. I’ll be quite happy if he does better and stays. I couldn’t care less if they get rid of him tomorrow either. He’s not given me anything to get attached over. |  |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 19:22 - Oct 3 with 2937 views | itfcsuth |
Lambert crumbled, and it was very strange but also quite sad to see. His back and fourth jousts with the media/fans were not comfortable viewing/reading every week. I think Lambert was purely fighting his corner under intense criticism, which I think we all would do, but it didn’t come across well from him.
Paul Cook is a gentlemen, a good football manager, and hope he is continually treated with respect throughout his time here, even if it doesn’t work out. |  | | |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 23:16 - Oct 3 with 2719 views | Illinoisblue |
Instead of Ashton high fiving fans and acting like a giddy super supporter I’d like to hear him issue a public “results are not good enough, they need to get better” warning shot across Cook’s bow. I would hope that’s already been done in private anyway.
We’re getting beaten and bullied by teams with a bag of beans for a budget. Division 3 should not be as hard as we’re making it |  |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 08:17 - Oct 4 with 2539 views | Swailsey |
PL is the only manager we’ve had who made me physically angry and upset. He was rank and nearly ruined football for me. [Post edited 4 Oct 2021 8:18]
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 08:33 - Oct 4 with 2502 views | Churchman |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 23:16 - Oct 3 by Illinoisblue |
Instead of Ashton high fiving fans and acting like a giddy super supporter I’d like to hear him issue a public “results are not good enough, they need to get better” warning shot across Cook’s bow. I would hope that’s already been done in private anyway.
We’re getting beaten and bullied by teams with a bag of beans for a budget. Division 3 should not be as hard as we’re making it |
I don’t think Ashton publicly needs to do anything. That was Cook’s first big mistake calling out the players in public. They deserved it but that misses the point. The only purpose it served was to sow even more mistrust in that already rotten squad and possibly even with new players coming in. Privately I hope he is called in by Ashton and O’Leary for an explanation this morning and a deadline to get it right.
I agree with you regarding the league. This every game is tough nonsense does my head in. It’s a Mickey Mouse league packed with small clubs with tiny resources. It should be dead easy to get out of. Yet here we sit, relegation fodder as things stand.
A club with the resources of this one should not be in this position. No way. We are quite literally not competitive with Accrington Stanley for goodness sake. Bullied off the pitch. An easy touch for any organised team ready to get in our faces - in League One. It’s not good enough.
I’ve no idea what Cook is doing and two wins in ten games tells me he doesn’t either. |  | | |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 08:49 - Oct 4 with 2442 views | BiGDonnie |
I'd actually get rid now too. We're not going to be promoted with him so take a gamble on another manager who will at least have a bit of direction and won't be too proud to hire a solid assistant. |  |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 08:53 - Oct 4 with 2420 views | Metal_Hacker |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 08:33 - Oct 4 by Churchman |
I don’t think Ashton publicly needs to do anything. That was Cook’s first big mistake calling out the players in public. They deserved it but that misses the point. The only purpose it served was to sow even more mistrust in that already rotten squad and possibly even with new players coming in. Privately I hope he is called in by Ashton and O’Leary for an explanation this morning and a deadline to get it right.
I agree with you regarding the league. This every game is tough nonsense does my head in. It’s a Mickey Mouse league packed with small clubs with tiny resources. It should be dead easy to get out of. Yet here we sit, relegation fodder as things stand.
A club with the resources of this one should not be in this position. No way. We are quite literally not competitive with Accrington Stanley for goodness sake. Bullied off the pitch. An easy touch for any organised team ready to get in our faces - in League One. It’s not good enough.
I’ve no idea what Cook is doing and two wins in ten games tells me he doesn’t either. |
I think like a lot of people -us fans and PC himself are living and hoping on past histrionics
I genuinely believe that MY reason for being slightly more polite than I should be about him is because of this particular reason
That said it is all getting a little thin
For the most I agree with you |  |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 08:54 - Oct 4 with 2417 views | chicoazul |
You can never hate someone unless you love them. |  |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 08:54 - Oct 4 with 2413 views | ElderGrizzly |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 23:16 - Oct 3 by Illinoisblue |
Instead of Ashton high fiving fans and acting like a giddy super supporter I’d like to hear him issue a public “results are not good enough, they need to get better” warning shot across Cook’s bow. I would hope that’s already been done in private anyway.
We’re getting beaten and bullied by teams with a bag of beans for a budget. Division 3 should not be as hard as we’re making it |
Indeed. You don't spend the money our new owners have to sit 19th after 10 games.
I'm sure those conversations have been had already, but the silence from Ashton (Brent antics aside) and our new owners on anything substantial is telling. |  | | |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:00 - Oct 4 with 2378 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 08:33 - Oct 4 by Churchman |
I don’t think Ashton publicly needs to do anything. That was Cook’s first big mistake calling out the players in public. They deserved it but that misses the point. The only purpose it served was to sow even more mistrust in that already rotten squad and possibly even with new players coming in. Privately I hope he is called in by Ashton and O’Leary for an explanation this morning and a deadline to get it right.
I agree with you regarding the league. This every game is tough nonsense does my head in. It’s a Mickey Mouse league packed with small clubs with tiny resources. It should be dead easy to get out of. Yet here we sit, relegation fodder as things stand.
A club with the resources of this one should not be in this position. No way. We are quite literally not competitive with Accrington Stanley for goodness sake. Bullied off the pitch. An easy touch for any organised team ready to get in our faces - in League One. It’s not good enough.
I’ve no idea what Cook is doing and two wins in ten games tells me he doesn’t either. |
You say League 1 should be easy to get out of, but many more clubs of our size or bigger have struggled, and taken several years to do it. That suggest you and a few others ought to pay this league a little more respect. |  |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:20 - Oct 4 with 2321 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:00 - Oct 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You say League 1 should be easy to get out of, but many more clubs of our size or bigger have struggled, and taken several years to do it. That suggest you and a few others ought to pay this league a little more respect. |
We’re certainly making harder work of it than most though
Looking at the big clubs that have come down to here in the last 20 or so years:
Man City, Leicester, Norwich, Wolves and Blackburn were all promoted at the first attempt
Sheffield Weds (1st time around) and Southampton did it second time around
Forest, Leeds and Charlton (twice) did it at the third go, all having made the playoffs beforehand. Leeds would have gone up automatically first time around had they not been deducted 15 points
Sunderland are on their 4th attempt but have made the playoffs twice, and currently sit second
Sheffield United are the outliers taking 6 seasons, but again did playoffs 3 times beforehand including their first 2 seasons
Portsmouth, Bolton and Coventry I think are somewhat different cases, given they were all basically bankrupt when they came down
So looking at like for like cases, if we don’t go up this season we’ll have taken longer than everyone bar Sunderland and Sheffield United, and we’re already behind the curve on those too having not even yet made the playoffs |  |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:21 - Oct 4 with 2314 views | Churchman |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:00 - Oct 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You say League 1 should be easy to get out of, but many more clubs of our size or bigger have struggled, and taken several years to do it. That suggest you and a few others ought to pay this league a little more respect. |
Coventry with no ground and no money strolled this league. So did Wycombe. You can go through the years and see clubs with a fraction of the resources of this one wiping the floor with it.
Clubs of this size or larger have only struggled in this rubbish league because they were in a mess themselves. As soon as they got their act together they walked it. Examples include Leeds, Sheffield Utd, Southampton, Forest.
It has nothing to do with respect. It has everything to do with resources and how you manage them. I neither respect or disrespect other clubs. I couldn’t care a less about them. The reality is that against some sides we and the opposition should be walking out on that pitch knowing the result is only going one way.
If you’ve played sport yourself you’ll know that feeling one way or the other. If you saw Robson’s team or even Burley’s you saw it at times too. You could see in their body language and faces that they had no chance before kick off. Whether you call it arrogance, confidence or anything else it amounts to the same thing. We should not be 19th after being given the runaround by Accrington. | | | |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:33 - Oct 4 with 2277 views | tractorshark |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:00 - Oct 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You say League 1 should be easy to get out of, but many more clubs of our size or bigger have struggled, and taken several years to do it. That suggest you and a few others ought to pay this league a little more respect. |
Totally agree. Sheff Utd took 6 seasons to get out of this league.
Ironically, one of the few clubs to bounce back straight away was Norwich and they had to bring in Lambert to achieve it.
I never subscribed to the view that a season in League One would be good and allow us to reset.
I said at the time relegation from the Championship would be the worst thing to happen to us and I gain no satisfaction from being correct for once.
Unfortunately while we’re floundering down here, the gap between us and the Championship grows wider.
Even if we do get promoted, we don’t want to become a yo-yo team like Wigan. |  | | |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:51 - Oct 4 with 2222 views | braveblue |
No need to ‘hate’ anyone. Every manager tries. Some just fail. Still think Cook will succeed. | | | |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:57 - Oct 4 with 2186 views | Herbivore |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:51 - Oct 4 by braveblue |
No need to ‘hate’ anyone. Every manager tries. Some just fail. Still think Cook will succeed. |
Genuinely curious, what have you seen so far that makes you think he will succeed here? I really want him to but 6 wins in 28 games in the third division is abysmal and to me it looks like he doesn't really know how to get a tune out of us. [Post edited 4 Oct 2021 10:09]
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:01 - Oct 4 with 2167 views | BlueBadger |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:57 - Oct 4 by Herbivore |
Genuinely curious, what have you seen so far that makes you think he will succeed here? I really want him to but 6 wins in 28 games in the third division is abysmal and to me it looks like he doesn't really know how to get a tune out of us. [Post edited 4 Oct 2021 10:09]
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All I'm clinging to right now is his past record.
I'm at the stage where I don't actively think he should go, but I was be deeply untroubled if he did. |  |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:13 - Oct 4 with 2125 views | Herbivore |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:01 - Oct 4 by BlueBadger |
All I'm clinging to right now is his past record.
I'm at the stage where I don't actively think he should go, but I was be deeply untroubled if he did. |
I'm in a similar place on both fronts. You look at his record and he should do well here, but increasingly I worry that the talk of Leam Richardson's influence isn't just a lazy explanation. A quick glance at the league table suggests Richardson has something about him working solo, whereas Cook is clearly struggling without him.
I don't want him out yet because he's been well backed to put together this squad and it really shouldn't take a lot to get this group of players on a good run. Pompey fans have also pointed out his slowish start with them before a ridiculous run in the second half of the season. At the minute though it's hard to see that coming and it's gambling our whole season on him repeating that feat here if we don't see a big uptick soon. He's done nothing thus far to make me want him to stay though so if they did decide to give him the push I'd barely raise a shrug. | |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:19 - Oct 4 with 2092 views | Oldboy |
You have been on his case since he walked through the door. You will get your moment to tell us all how right you were, but until then, just for the next 3 games, maybe a bit of support. Your time will come, no manager lasts forever, but just a little rest from the constant knocking would be welcome. |  | | |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:42 - Oct 4 with 2019 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:21 - Oct 4 by Churchman |
Coventry with no ground and no money strolled this league. So did Wycombe. You can go through the years and see clubs with a fraction of the resources of this one wiping the floor with it.
Clubs of this size or larger have only struggled in this rubbish league because they were in a mess themselves. As soon as they got their act together they walked it. Examples include Leeds, Sheffield Utd, Southampton, Forest.
It has nothing to do with respect. It has everything to do with resources and how you manage them. I neither respect or disrespect other clubs. I couldn’t care a less about them. The reality is that against some sides we and the opposition should be walking out on that pitch knowing the result is only going one way.
If you’ve played sport yourself you’ll know that feeling one way or the other. If you saw Robson’s team or even Burley’s you saw it at times too. You could see in their body language and faces that they had no chance before kick off. Whether you call it arrogance, confidence or anything else it amounts to the same thing. We should not be 19th after being given the runaround by Accrington. |
You've answered it yourself - we've been in a mess. Now Gamechanger have taken over, the backroom and boardroom staff have entirely changed, and indeed the squad, and we're (certainly off the pitch) getting our act together.
We're 10 games in. It'll probably take a bit longer to get our act together on the pitch, but certainly off it it's like a different club. | |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:46 - Oct 4 with 1995 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 09:57 - Oct 4 by Herbivore |
Genuinely curious, what have you seen so far that makes you think he will succeed here? I really want him to but 6 wins in 28 games in the third division is abysmal and to me it looks like he doesn't really know how to get a tune out of us. [Post edited 4 Oct 2021 10:09]
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Whilst you're factually correct, it removes all context to simply say, "6 wins in 28 games...looks like he doesn't really know how to get a tune out of us." With all the changes in backroom, boardroom and playing staff it's like managing two different clubs comparing last season's Ipswich to this.
We can't sweep last season under the carpet, he definitely did poorly, but it's wrong IMO to say 6 wins in 28 without the aforementioned context. | |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:53 - Oct 4 with 1970 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 08:54 - Oct 4 by ElderGrizzly |
Indeed. You don't spend the money our new owners have to sit 19th after 10 games.
I'm sure those conversations have been had already, but the silence from Ashton (Brent antics aside) and our new owners on anything substantial is telling. |
Exactly. Anybody who doesn’t think he’s on very thin ice unless is deluded. He wasn’t their first choice and hasn’t been here anything like long enough such that he’s difficult to extract. | | | |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:54 - Oct 4 with 1960 views | ElderGrizzly |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:53 - Oct 4 by PrideOfTheEast |
Exactly. Anybody who doesn’t think he’s on very thin ice unless is deluded. He wasn’t their first choice and hasn’t been here anything like long enough such that he’s difficult to extract. |
And they have the money to extract and potentially get someone of much better quality.
Our manager was bought in the shop where Evans frequented. They shop somewhere entirely different, as shown in the squad this summer. | | | |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:55 - Oct 4 with 1958 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:46 - Oct 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Whilst you're factually correct, it removes all context to simply say, "6 wins in 28 games...looks like he doesn't really know how to get a tune out of us." With all the changes in backroom, boardroom and playing staff it's like managing two different clubs comparing last season's Ipswich to this.
We can't sweep last season under the carpet, he definitely did poorly, but it's wrong IMO to say 6 wins in 28 without the aforementioned context. |
You do realise that if you remove last season, his record gets worse, right? | |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 12:50 - Oct 4 with 1666 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 10:55 - Oct 4 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
You do realise that if you remove last season, his record gets worse, right? |
No, because we're only 10 games in with an entirely new team. It's not a sample size you can judge very much from yet. | |
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| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 13:24 - Oct 4 with 1582 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I don't hate Cook like I did Lambert on 12:50 - Oct 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, because we're only 10 games in with an entirely new team. It's not a sample size you can judge very much from yet. |
We’ve played 12 games this season, although presumably as last seasons games don’t count nor 10 this season, the other 2 won’t either [Post edited 4 Oct 2021 14:39]
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