| QT....teachers in training. 23:17 - Jul 14 with 2472 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
So few teachers in training ..... shocking figures if true. |  |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 23:30 - Jul 14 with 1831 views | MattinLondon |
You think? Not well paid considering both the responsibility and hours needed to do it effectively. No real government support and criticism from all sides.
I’m surprised anyone wants to be one - though immensely grateful that it’s a vocation to many who do their job superbly well. |  | | |
| QT....teachers in training. on 23:56 - Jul 14 with 1788 views | ZXBlue |
Not surprising.
Public sector workers know they are going to be taken advantage of and whatever deal they do on recruitment, will be dimished consistently over time. In tandem with thatm they will be asked to do ever more. Why would they bother? |  | | |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:14 - Jul 15 with 1631 views | Dubtractor |
| QT....teachers in training. on 23:30 - Jul 14 by MattinLondon |
You think? Not well paid considering both the responsibility and hours needed to do it effectively. No real government support and criticism from all sides.
I’m surprised anyone wants to be one - though immensely grateful that it’s a vocation to many who do their job superbly well. |
Yep. They get demonised by parts of our media and political class on such a regular basis it is little surprise thar fewer and fewer people want to do it. Lots of people are leaving teaching jobs too.
Well done tory Britain. |  |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 08:17 - Jul 15 with 1616 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Not surprising maybe but shocking nonetheless. | |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 08:22 - Jul 15 with 1600 views | wkj |
There needs to be more undergraduate pathways into teaching, oh, and worthy pay packages |  |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 08:24 - Jul 15 with 1592 views | chicoazul |
Well we’re not having babies so who needs teachers? |  |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 08:27 - Jul 15 with 1581 views | Mookamoo |
Read somewhere we are currently facing a real issue. It's not only because because young people don't want to go into that profession. There was a dip in population for the current 18-21 year cohort which means are are less of them to consider teaching in the first place. That is combined with a rise in population in those currently at school age. It means classes have to be bigger and the workload is increasing so even more qualified teachers are leaving.
One of mine is doing something about it - he is studying to be a maths teacher at Sheffield - and so far loving the in-classroom stuff. We'll see how he feels once they start piling on all other other nonsense teacher have to put up with.
5-10 years time a significant percentage of teaching is going to be virtual with a single teacher for numerous classrooms with lower qualified TAs offering the in person help. |  | | |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:29 - Jul 15 with 1576 views | Dubtractor |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:24 - Jul 15 by chicoazul |
Well we’re not having babies so who needs teachers? |
I'm not a parent, but Mrs Dub is a teacher. I don't know where that leaves me. | |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 08:37 - Jul 15 with 1550 views | geg1992 |
My wife is desperate to be a teacher. She has a degree and even a post-graduate teaching qualification. However, despite being sold that this qualification was great, schools aren't accepting it. She's tried to get onto teacher training twice only to be told it was full too. I know it sounds biased as she's my wife, but she would genuinely make such an amazing teacher. It's so frustrating as she's stuck working in a nursery for now, with long hours and bad pay. |  |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 08:40 - Jul 15 with 1541 views | wkj |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:37 - Jul 15 by geg1992 |
My wife is desperate to be a teacher. She has a degree and even a post-graduate teaching qualification. However, despite being sold that this qualification was great, schools aren't accepting it. She's tried to get onto teacher training twice only to be told it was full too. I know it sounds biased as she's my wife, but she would genuinely make such an amazing teacher. It's so frustrating as she's stuck working in a nursery for now, with long hours and bad pay. |
That sounds really odd as usually a PGCE creates and instant pathway. It might be worth having her get in touch with the centre where she did her PGCE through. | |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 08:42 - Jul 15 with 1535 views | Mookamoo |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:37 - Jul 15 by geg1992 |
My wife is desperate to be a teacher. She has a degree and even a post-graduate teaching qualification. However, despite being sold that this qualification was great, schools aren't accepting it. She's tried to get onto teacher training twice only to be told it was full too. I know it sounds biased as she's my wife, but she would genuinely make such an amazing teacher. It's so frustrating as she's stuck working in a nursery for now, with long hours and bad pay. |
Has she applied for any jobs in academy schools? I think they have different requirements if they're no longer tied to their local authorities. | | | |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:50 - Jul 15 with 1520 views | geg1992 |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:40 - Jul 15 by wkj |
That sounds really odd as usually a PGCE creates and instant pathway. It might be worth having her get in touch with the centre where she did her PGCE through. |
I need to find out what the additional training she done was, but I don't think it was that. I think it was a very similarly named course which was an alternative. It was pretty much exactly the same content from what we understand though, so frustrating that it's not being accepted. She's applying again this year and is in touch with an advisor so hopefully it's 3rd time lucky! | |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 08:51 - Jul 15 with 1519 views | geg1992 |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:42 - Jul 15 by Mookamoo |
Has she applied for any jobs in academy schools? I think they have different requirements if they're no longer tied to their local authorities. |
That's a great point. I'll speak to her later, thanks! | |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 08:57 - Jul 15 with 1504 views | wkj |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:50 - Jul 15 by geg1992 |
I need to find out what the additional training she done was, but I don't think it was that. I think it was a very similarly named course which was an alternative. It was pretty much exactly the same content from what we understand though, so frustrating that it's not being accepted. She's applying again this year and is in touch with an advisor so hopefully it's 3rd time lucky! |
The PGCE usually has placement teaching assignments for a chunk of the academic year, so it leads to a shot of experience as well as learning. A fair few people tend to end up getting a job offer from those placements from what I understand. There is a lot of decent info on get into teaching that may help. | |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 09:02 - Jul 15 with 1487 views | geg1992 |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:57 - Jul 15 by wkj |
The PGCE usually has placement teaching assignments for a chunk of the academic year, so it leads to a shot of experience as well as learning. A fair few people tend to end up getting a job offer from those placements from what I understand. There is a lot of decent info on get into teaching that may help. |
She actually had placements on her qualification she done too! I'll find out what it's called. I think that's where the advisor is from that she's speaking to. Thanks for your help! | |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 09:07 - Jul 15 with 1473 views | STYG |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:14 - Jul 15 by Dubtractor |
Yep. They get demonised by parts of our media and political class on such a regular basis it is little surprise thar fewer and fewer people want to do it. Lots of people are leaving teaching jobs too.
Well done tory Britain. |
Every teacher I know works 60-70 hours a week for 35-40 hours pay once you take into account the evenings and weekends and planning and extra curricular stuff.
They get barely any resources to their jobs properly, limited support but they get a few weeks extra holiday a year so the media make them out to be workshy moaners.
They are incredible but you can see why so many of them are leaving. | | | |
| QT....teachers in training. on 09:55 - Jul 15 with 1382 views | DecageBruce |
| QT....teachers in training. on 23:30 - Jul 14 by MattinLondon |
You think? Not well paid considering both the responsibility and hours needed to do it effectively. No real government support and criticism from all sides.
I’m surprised anyone wants to be one - though immensely grateful that it’s a vocation to many who do their job superbly well. |
There was a really good point raised on QT (can't remember by who) but in essence that pay reviews for public sector should be based on the need. Where there are large gaps then incentives should be given compared to say the Train drivers where there are 10+ applicants for every job.
I would also throw into this that there are many many in the private sector (including myself) that have not had a pay rise in recent years, even just COL so it does need to be handled sensitively and sensibly |  | | |
| QT....teachers in training. on 10:08 - Jul 15 with 1359 views | noggin |
| QT....teachers in training. on 09:55 - Jul 15 by DecageBruce |
There was a really good point raised on QT (can't remember by who) but in essence that pay reviews for public sector should be based on the need. Where there are large gaps then incentives should be given compared to say the Train drivers where there are 10+ applicants for every job.
I would also throw into this that there are many many in the private sector (including myself) that have not had a pay rise in recent years, even just COL so it does need to be handled sensitively and sensibly |
Or we should be asking the serious question, 'Why haven't people had a pay rise in recent years'? Has no company made a profit for years? |  |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 10:25 - Jul 15 with 1329 views | STYG |
| QT....teachers in training. on 10:08 - Jul 15 by noggin |
Or we should be asking the serious question, 'Why haven't people had a pay rise in recent years'? Has no company made a profit for years? |
The company I used to work for would post their profits and then share them out.
If the company made, let's say, a £20m profit then the CEO on £200k a year would get a 2.5% bonus as a lump sum (as did the higher paid earners) and the employees on £30k a year would get £1,500 being a 5% lump sum once a year after all the profits had been worked out. Where the company made a loss there would be no bonus.
Everyone was happy with that. It was fair. The little people got a nice lump of money. Those at the top got a smaller percentage but still a bigger amount as they'd played a bigger role in the profits. Pay rises were matched with inflation and were always reasonable.
What we have now, is that company making a £50m profit, the little guys getting no lump sum, a 1% pay rise whilst inflation goes up and the bosses taking a 20% pay rise and a 20% lump sum bonus.
Most people understand that if they work for a company struggling with covid or likely to go out of business or whatever then times might be tough for them too.
But I fully support any people who have no wage rise or one below inflation at the same time the companies are making mega profits and those are the top are creaming it in.
Is it BT where they have no pay rise, they actually have a food bank for staff and the boss has just given himself a rise to £3.5m amidst the company making hundreds of millions of pounds of profits. That is scandalous! | | | |
| QT....teachers in training. on 11:15 - Jul 15 with 1268 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| QT....teachers in training. on 08:29 - Jul 15 by Dubtractor |
I'm not a parent, but Mrs Dub is a teacher. I don't know where that leaves me. |
Literally taking Mrs Dubs career away from her.
You really should be more supportive. |  |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 11:38 - Jul 15 with 1238 views | usm |
| QT....teachers in training. on 09:07 - Jul 15 by STYG |
Every teacher I know works 60-70 hours a week for 35-40 hours pay once you take into account the evenings and weekends and planning and extra curricular stuff.
They get barely any resources to their jobs properly, limited support but they get a few weeks extra holiday a year so the media make them out to be workshy moaners.
They are incredible but you can see why so many of them are leaving. |
My daughter's a teacher and she definitely does not work 60-70 hours per week, 40 odd maybe but then that averages out to somewhat less than that when holiday time etc is taken into account.
Got several friends that are teachers and yes they work hard and long hours for not enough pay, but then who doesnt?
They do an incredible job and I wouldnt want to do it but I wonder what all these ex teachers are doing/going to do. There seems to be a dearth of people wanting/able to fill roles across all industries. What on earth are they all doing? |  |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 12:05 - Jul 15 with 1193 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| QT....teachers in training. on 11:38 - Jul 15 by usm |
My daughter's a teacher and she definitely does not work 60-70 hours per week, 40 odd maybe but then that averages out to somewhat less than that when holiday time etc is taken into account.
Got several friends that are teachers and yes they work hard and long hours for not enough pay, but then who doesnt?
They do an incredible job and I wouldnt want to do it but I wonder what all these ex teachers are doing/going to do. There seems to be a dearth of people wanting/able to fill roles across all industries. What on earth are they all doing? |
Ah, the old "teachers are great, but..." approach.... |  |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 12:41 - Jul 15 with 959 views | MattinLondon |
| QT....teachers in training. on 11:38 - Jul 15 by usm |
My daughter's a teacher and she definitely does not work 60-70 hours per week, 40 odd maybe but then that averages out to somewhat less than that when holiday time etc is taken into account.
Got several friends that are teachers and yes they work hard and long hours for not enough pay, but then who doesnt?
They do an incredible job and I wouldnt want to do it but I wonder what all these ex teachers are doing/going to do. There seems to be a dearth of people wanting/able to fill roles across all industries. What on earth are they all doing? |
Enjoying a well deserved retirement from the abuse of teenagers, their parents and various governments. | | | |
| QT....teachers in training. on 12:46 - Jul 15 with 944 views | Dubtractor |
| QT....teachers in training. on 11:15 - Jul 15 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Literally taking Mrs Dubs career away from her.
You really should be more supportive. |
Really poor planning in hindsight. | |
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| QT....teachers in training. on 13:10 - Jul 15 with 926 views | tractordownsouth |
| QT....teachers in training. on 11:38 - Jul 15 by usm |
My daughter's a teacher and she definitely does not work 60-70 hours per week, 40 odd maybe but then that averages out to somewhat less than that when holiday time etc is taken into account.
Got several friends that are teachers and yes they work hard and long hours for not enough pay, but then who doesnt?
They do an incredible job and I wouldnt want to do it but I wonder what all these ex teachers are doing/going to do. There seems to be a dearth of people wanting/able to fill roles across all industries. What on earth are they all doing? |
My parents both teach and the 13 week holiday thing pedalled in the media is such a myth. My mum spends at least half of her holidays planning and marking. |  |
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