| The next target in the culture war... on 08:59 - Sep 7 with 2422 views | DanTheMan |
Imagine paying people for the hours they do, gross!
For what it's worth I just joined a company and the job they sold me is not the job I am doing. So I'm looking elsewhere immediately. They've said they might be able to move me into another team in a few months but it's ridiculous how employers think they can get away with nonsense like this. [Post edited 7 Sep 2022 9:00]
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:01 - Sep 7 with 2381 views | Darth_Koont |
Unpaid overtime underpins the UK economy. |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:09 - Sep 7 with 2374 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
As most on here know I'm a University lecturer and head of course now, and after having my hours systematically abused during the pandemic, where I was regularly working 70-75 hour weeks I decided last year to stick to my contracted hours and only work the extra hours when it would directly impact me if I didn't.
I assume therefore that I am 'quiet quitting'.
As an indicator, I'm on annual leave this week having just returned from the states, and in this week alone, I've had 4 meetings put into my diary for me to 'attend', one of which an interview day for new staff on Friday, lasting all day, and yesterday they held a planning meeting for the upcoming year, which they had to have without me, a course leader, at a planning meeting that will effect my course.
I look forward to being 're-engaged'.
All of this happening on the very week that I have received ballot papers on strike action from my union, the UCU. |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:24 - Sep 7 with 2300 views | Steve_M |
Employment regulations aka 'red tape' are holding the UK back don't you know.
Some companies have taken the piss for years in terms of expectations on employees, it's hard to step back from that but as people get older and know what level they can realistically reach within an organisation it becomes easier to put one's own boundaries in place.
I'm not sure why it's suddenly been given a flashy new name though, easy sh1t for journalists to churn out and if there is ever a profession who should fully understand the concept it's them. |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:27 - Sep 7 with 2276 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The next target in the culture war... on 09:09 - Sep 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As most on here know I'm a University lecturer and head of course now, and after having my hours systematically abused during the pandemic, where I was regularly working 70-75 hour weeks I decided last year to stick to my contracted hours and only work the extra hours when it would directly impact me if I didn't.
I assume therefore that I am 'quiet quitting'.
As an indicator, I'm on annual leave this week having just returned from the states, and in this week alone, I've had 4 meetings put into my diary for me to 'attend', one of which an interview day for new staff on Friday, lasting all day, and yesterday they held a planning meeting for the upcoming year, which they had to have without me, a course leader, at a planning meeting that will effect my course.
I look forward to being 're-engaged'.
All of this happening on the very week that I have received ballot papers on strike action from my union, the UCU. |
You're doing well to hold out - it's an abusive system for academics as you're effectively representing yourself (on the research side at least). It normally requires action short of a strike to get people to work to hours. |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:31 - Sep 7 with 2272 views | J2BLUE |
Workers of all ages, however, have been following the trend by shying away from unpaid overtime and refusing to take on work outside their job descriptions.
Oh my god, those monsters! We really need a workers' rights revolution in this country. It's time the older generations realised the old methods of working hard, keeping your head down and being loyal do not work. I thought I was signing up to my near perfect (realistic) job 15 months ago. Now despite being told I deserve a promotion and a pay rise the owner is refusing to authorise it despite putting prices up 5x since i've been here. |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:46 - Sep 7 with 2226 views | hoppy |
What a nonsense of an article. So if someone doesn’t start early and doesn’t stay late, that automatically means they’re ‘disengaging’ from their job, does it? Can it not be a case that they get in when they’re supposed to, work hard and get things done, then leave on time so they can enjoy family time/social engagement, keeping their mental health balanced, which in turn probably benefits their company by being focussed on their job during the time they’re there? |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:50 - Sep 7 with 2188 views | DanTheMan |
| The next target in the culture war... on 09:31 - Sep 7 by J2BLUE |
Workers of all ages, however, have been following the trend by shying away from unpaid overtime and refusing to take on work outside their job descriptions.
Oh my god, those monsters! We really need a workers' rights revolution in this country. It's time the older generations realised the old methods of working hard, keeping your head down and being loyal do not work. I thought I was signing up to my near perfect (realistic) job 15 months ago. Now despite being told I deserve a promotion and a pay rise the owner is refusing to authorise it despite putting prices up 5x since i've been here. |
A friend of mine was denied a pay rise last year as the company did not make the profits they wanted (but still made profits).
Pay rise time comes around again but this year they did make whopping profits.
Company doesn't give pay rises because the coming year is going to be difficult.
Arseholes. | |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:51 - Sep 7 with 2179 views | J2BLUE |
| The next target in the culture war... on 09:46 - Sep 7 by hoppy |
What a nonsense of an article. So if someone doesn’t start early and doesn’t stay late, that automatically means they’re ‘disengaging’ from their job, does it? Can it not be a case that they get in when they’re supposed to, work hard and get things done, then leave on time so they can enjoy family time/social engagement, keeping their mental health balanced, which in turn probably benefits their company by being focussed on their job during the time they’re there? |
One of the (many) criticisms of me when I worked at a previous job was that I was "a clock watcher" as I left at 5:30...
Other criticisms included, but were not limited to:
Not eating biscuits
Not drinking hot drinks
Not asking if anyone else needed help at the end of the day - the sad act I worked with spent most of the day asking women he has never seen from other companies if they wanted a copy of his band's CD and some chocolate...
Leaving the office at lunch time
Actually, thinking back to that place makes me a hell of a lot more grateful to work where I do... | |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:55 - Sep 7 with 2155 views | unbelievablue |
| The next target in the culture war... on 09:09 - Sep 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As most on here know I'm a University lecturer and head of course now, and after having my hours systematically abused during the pandemic, where I was regularly working 70-75 hour weeks I decided last year to stick to my contracted hours and only work the extra hours when it would directly impact me if I didn't.
I assume therefore that I am 'quiet quitting'.
As an indicator, I'm on annual leave this week having just returned from the states, and in this week alone, I've had 4 meetings put into my diary for me to 'attend', one of which an interview day for new staff on Friday, lasting all day, and yesterday they held a planning meeting for the upcoming year, which they had to have without me, a course leader, at a planning meeting that will effect my course.
I look forward to being 're-engaged'.
All of this happening on the very week that I have received ballot papers on strike action from my union, the UCU. |
Are the UCU going to strike, do you think? |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 09:57 - Sep 7 with 2143 views | MattinLondon |
| The next target in the culture war... on 09:01 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont |
Unpaid overtime underpins the UK economy. |
The NHS would collapse overnight if it wasn’t for the goodwill of its staff from cleaners to doctors etc. And then they get shafted by politicians.
In the past I have said ‘yes’ to doing tasks outside of my job role but only because such experiences, at the time, would have made my CV look better. |  | | |
| The next target in the culture war... on 10:02 - Sep 7 with 2121 views | Cotty |
| The next target in the culture war... on 09:55 - Sep 7 by unbelievablue |
Are the UCU going to strike, do you think? |
The vast majority voting will vote yes. The question is whether or not we will reach the 50% turnout threshold. In recent ballots, it's been balotted institution by institution, but this time they've gone balls out and are only doing one ballot.
UCU striking isn't a new thing, we've done it every year for quite some considerable time. |  | | |
| The next target in the culture war... on 10:04 - Sep 7 with 2099 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The next target in the culture war... on 08:59 - Sep 7 by DanTheMan |
Imagine paying people for the hours they do, gross!
For what it's worth I just joined a company and the job they sold me is not the job I am doing. So I'm looking elsewhere immediately. They've said they might be able to move me into another team in a few months but it's ridiculous how employers think they can get away with nonsense like this. [Post edited 7 Sep 2022 9:00]
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It must be a generation thing. When I first went into the workplace forty years ago, it was those of us who put in the extra office hours who got the promotions. Not the people who were known as "clock watchers".
I think it's part of an ethic that prepares you for having your own business.
I'm not saying it's right but it's the culture I was brought up in. [Post edited 7 Sep 2022 10:05]
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| The next target in the culture war... on 10:09 - Sep 7 with 2089 views | DanTheMan |
| The next target in the culture war... on 10:04 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
It must be a generation thing. When I first went into the workplace forty years ago, it was those of us who put in the extra office hours who got the promotions. Not the people who were known as "clock watchers".
I think it's part of an ethic that prepares you for having your own business.
I'm not saying it's right but it's the culture I was brought up in. [Post edited 7 Sep 2022 10:05]
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Unfortunately not been mine, or many others, experience.
Pay rises I've usually had to secure via leaving wherever I'm working for example. | |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 10:20 - Sep 7 with 2063 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The next target in the culture war... on 09:55 - Sep 7 by unbelievablue |
Are the UCU going to strike, do you think? |
I think it’s inevitable. Normally strike action is balloted by ‘branch’ but this year it’s a collective vote. I can’t see anyway that they won’t get the numbers.
The level of strike action remains to be seen, but could be action short of a walkout, for example, refusal to mark or moderate work.
Either way, I think there will definitely be industrial action.
Mrs CB is a nurse, and I honestly think they are going to go out too. | |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 10:23 - Sep 7 with 2036 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The next target in the culture war... on 10:04 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
It must be a generation thing. When I first went into the workplace forty years ago, it was those of us who put in the extra office hours who got the promotions. Not the people who were known as "clock watchers".
I think it's part of an ethic that prepares you for having your own business.
I'm not saying it's right but it's the culture I was brought up in. [Post edited 7 Sep 2022 10:05]
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Things were very different before the war. | |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 10:26 - Sep 7 with 2011 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The next target in the culture war... on 10:23 - Sep 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Things were very different before the war. |
The Falklands war? | |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 10:37 - Sep 7 with 1961 views | unbelievablue |
| The next target in the culture war... on 10:02 - Sep 7 by Cotty |
The vast majority voting will vote yes. The question is whether or not we will reach the 50% turnout threshold. In recent ballots, it's been balotted institution by institution, but this time they've gone balls out and are only doing one ballot.
UCU striking isn't a new thing, we've done it every year for quite some considerable time. |
I'm new to the industry, so was wondering what the history was. | |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 10:38 - Sep 7 with 1958 views | itfcjoe |
| The next target in the culture war... on 10:26 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
The Falklands war? |
I think the problem is putting in more hours just became presenteeism rather than actually achieveing more.
Plus much more women in work place now with family commitments, and also men taking on bigger share of family commitments and just sitting at desk until 5 minutes after MD leaves every day isn't possible for those people.
SO the smarter people, who work hard without just doing lots of unproductive hours are now in roles where they can see and set the culture of it and ensure that people don't miss out on progression because they don't work long hours.
I'm absolutely sure that those who can both work smart, and put long hours in, will be the ones who progress the fastest as it's a double whammy |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 10:40 - Sep 7 with 1926 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The next target in the culture war... on 10:26 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
The Falklands war? |
I was thinking Crimea. | |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 10:56 - Sep 7 with 1874 views | monytowbray |
| The next target in the culture war... on 09:24 - Sep 7 by Steve_M |
Employment regulations aka 'red tape' are holding the UK back don't you know.
Some companies have taken the piss for years in terms of expectations on employees, it's hard to step back from that but as people get older and know what level they can realistically reach within an organisation it becomes easier to put one's own boundaries in place.
I'm not sure why it's suddenly been given a flashy new name though, easy sh1t for journalists to churn out and if there is ever a profession who should fully understand the concept it's them. |
What I don’t get is despite all this overtime we’re still often cited the least productive workers in Europe.
I can only assume it’s down to efficient time use? I’ve sat there watching people manually copy and paste data they’ve looked up in excel and enter the answer to sums manually into cells via a calculator. My instant thought when doing anything is what’s the quickest way from A to B without sacrificing due diligence - what I’ll then often realise is the quickest way also means I can use saved time ensuring even more due diligence.
I’ve worked in a few cultures where being in 2 hours early and leaving 3 hours late for no overtime was seen as the norm (and often required if you wanted to curry favour with the boss). I could never be arsed with it, and my reasoning always looped around to the above paragraph. I work efficiently and manage my work load well. I flag to management when my workload doesn’t fit within my contracted hours and utilise the capacity of others with hours spare to deliver it instead. It’s like being punished for being good at your job. |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 12:09 - Sep 7 with 1745 views | MattinLondon |
| The next target in the culture war... on 10:04 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
It must be a generation thing. When I first went into the workplace forty years ago, it was those of us who put in the extra office hours who got the promotions. Not the people who were known as "clock watchers".
I think it's part of an ethic that prepares you for having your own business.
I'm not saying it's right but it's the culture I was brought up in. [Post edited 7 Sep 2022 10:05]
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When I first entered the work place - around twenty or so years ago - we were told never to say no to work. Now the new starters, in our place at least, routinely say ‘no’ if they are already too busy.
I also routinely stayed in the office much later than standard hours but back then it was ‘normal’. Now, the juniors only stay past seven if they absolutely have to meet a deadline. A lot of people my age and over do not like this new approach.
I will say that after working very long hours we were rewarded with some great nights out at places which we could never afford or even get into back then. These ‘rewards’ do not exist now apart from the occasional office bonding session in a pub.
Overall the work/ home balance seems to have won over which is not a bad thing. | | | |
| The next target in the culture war... on 12:27 - Sep 7 with 1710 views | chicoazul |
R/antiwork at it again |  |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 12:28 - Sep 7 with 1707 views | chicoazul |
| The next target in the culture war... on 09:51 - Sep 7 by J2BLUE |
One of the (many) criticisms of me when I worked at a previous job was that I was "a clock watcher" as I left at 5:30...
Other criticisms included, but were not limited to:
Not eating biscuits
Not drinking hot drinks
Not asking if anyone else needed help at the end of the day - the sad act I worked with spent most of the day asking women he has never seen from other companies if they wanted a copy of his band's CD and some chocolate...
Leaving the office at lunch time
Actually, thinking back to that place makes me a hell of a lot more grateful to work where I do... |
People who don’t drink hot drinks are deviants to be fair. | |
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| The next target in the culture war... on 12:59 - Sep 7 with 1654 views | Sikamikanico |
Took me 20 + years of working stupid hours for various companies, going to social events I didn't want to attend and buying into the nonsense of hours there being worth more than work achieved to realise I didn't want anything to do with working for those sorts of firms ever again.
I now have 4 part-time roles that while they don't provide me with as much money do allow me time with my partner and baby daughter. |  | | |
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