| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout 22:32 - Sep 6 with 3747 views | monty_radio |
At the forum this week Ashton spoke of Town T.V. replacing i-Follow when the contract expires. I also read that E.F.L. clubs were to have discussed the 3 p.m. football blackout that has stood since the 1960s. So might this mean that Town T.V. will feature all 3 p.m. fixtures? [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 22:48]
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 22:43 - Sep 6 with 3457 views | Swansea_Blue |
iFollow covers all 3pm fixtures, home and away, already. It’s about time the league realised that and put in place some more sensible rights deal. There should be no reason why clubs can’t stream every game to UK audiences as well as those connecting via an overseas server. I can’t imagine many people chose a stream over actually going. Watching on iFollow is normally a last resort (is for me anyway). |  |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 22:48 - Sep 6 with 3396 views | monty_radio |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 22:43 - Sep 6 by Swansea_Blue |
iFollow covers all 3pm fixtures, home and away, already. It’s about time the league realised that and put in place some more sensible rights deal. There should be no reason why clubs can’t stream every game to UK audiences as well as those connecting via an overseas server. I can’t imagine many people chose a stream over actually going. Watching on iFollow is normally a last resort (is for me anyway). |
Thanks, I've edited my question | |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 23:25 - Sep 6 with 3296 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 22:43 - Sep 6 by Swansea_Blue |
iFollow covers all 3pm fixtures, home and away, already. It’s about time the league realised that and put in place some more sensible rights deal. There should be no reason why clubs can’t stream every game to UK audiences as well as those connecting via an overseas server. I can’t imagine many people chose a stream over actually going. Watching on iFollow is normally a last resort (is for me anyway). |
If somebody in the States normally watches on iFollow and one of the Sports Networks there shows our game then that match is blocked on iFollow for them, as happened with the "Paul Mariner game" between Ipswich and Plymouth, when it was shown live in the USA on ESPN last season, as a tribute to the great man.
League One games don't usually get picked up for live broadcast internationally, though, although we may gain some interest in our matches from Guinea Bissau this season. | | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 01:08 - Sep 7 with 3133 views | Illinoisblue |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 23:25 - Sep 6 by ArnoldMoorhen |
If somebody in the States normally watches on iFollow and one of the Sports Networks there shows our game then that match is blocked on iFollow for them, as happened with the "Paul Mariner game" between Ipswich and Plymouth, when it was shown live in the USA on ESPN last season, as a tribute to the great man.
League One games don't usually get picked up for live broadcast internationally, though, although we may gain some interest in our matches from Guinea Bissau this season. |
That’s no longer an issue. |  |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:13 - Sep 7 with 2867 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 22:43 - Sep 6 by Swansea_Blue |
iFollow covers all 3pm fixtures, home and away, already. It’s about time the league realised that and put in place some more sensible rights deal. There should be no reason why clubs can’t stream every game to UK audiences as well as those connecting via an overseas server. I can’t imagine many people chose a stream over actually going. Watching on iFollow is normally a last resort (is for me anyway). |
Yes there is, it potentially detracts from people actually going to the game. |  |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:19 - Sep 7 with 2861 views | Jon_456 |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 22:43 - Sep 6 by Swansea_Blue |
iFollow covers all 3pm fixtures, home and away, already. It’s about time the league realised that and put in place some more sensible rights deal. There should be no reason why clubs can’t stream every game to UK audiences as well as those connecting via an overseas server. I can’t imagine many people chose a stream over actually going. Watching on iFollow is normally a last resort (is for me anyway). |
I’d imagine it would take quite a hit on away followings. There’s no way I’m travelling to Accrington, Fleetwood or Morecambe if it’s available to stream. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lost around 500 tickets from home games either.
Hopefully it stays how it is. | | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:40 - Sep 7 with 2731 views | StokieBlue |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:19 - Sep 7 by Jon_456 |
I’d imagine it would take quite a hit on away followings. There’s no way I’m travelling to Accrington, Fleetwood or Morecambe if it’s available to stream. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lost around 500 tickets from home games either.
Hopefully it stays how it is. |
I think the evidence suggests that is not the case.
It's very easy to stream the town matches now and we still fill most of our away quotas so nothing would change.
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:41 - Sep 7 with 2735 views | PioneerBlue |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 22:43 - Sep 6 by Swansea_Blue |
iFollow covers all 3pm fixtures, home and away, already. It’s about time the league realised that and put in place some more sensible rights deal. There should be no reason why clubs can’t stream every game to UK audiences as well as those connecting via an overseas server. I can’t imagine many people chose a stream over actually going. Watching on iFollow is normally a last resort (is for me anyway). |
I agree, last resort but could tip balance in fav of tv for some games.
For me, it’s not those based in around Suffolk, it’s those that live 1.5hrs + in the Uk where there would ultimately be a choice to make certainly when weather, time of game and other life events come into the equation.
For me, it’s evening games that are a balance with work and travel to games at PR, for others a 3hrs + round trip is significant every other Saturday. I have a friend that lives in North East, it would legitimise his viewing!
For home games it might bring 1-4 games into question, for away games it presents a real opportunity.
I don’t know how many fans that are committed to Saturday home games this would affect, it might be those non season ticket holders that have other commitments to balance for example. A tv deal might make it easier for them to watch more game, therefore beneficial but might suppress some crowds.
Lots of ifs and buts but it is time for a pilot at least. | |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:17 - Sep 7 with 2588 views | mrfixit426 |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:19 - Sep 7 by Jon_456 |
I’d imagine it would take quite a hit on away followings. There’s no way I’m travelling to Accrington, Fleetwood or Morecambe if it’s available to stream. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lost around 500 tickets from home games either.
Hopefully it stays how it is. |
I wouldn't travel to those places whether it was being streamed or not, due to domestic responsibilities. However, I would happily pay to watch the games on stream, which means revenue for the club they would otherwise have missed out on. |  | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:24 - Sep 7 with 2543 views | Guthrum |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:13 - Sep 7 by ITFC_Forever |
Yes there is, it potentially detracts from people actually going to the game. |
On the other hand, many - probably most - clubs of League level and above have dispersed fanbases. ITFC veru much so. These are people who cannot get to home games for logistical reasons. Also, the vast majority of regular home fans do not travel to away games.
However, if they are able to watch online, that is significant additional engagement with the team. Plus extra revenue, to help clubs survive.
The main damage will be to those buying and selling TV rights. Why pay to see a handful of games on Sky, when you can put money directly into your club's coffers ans see every match? Of course, if the sports broadcasters fail that will impact the money flowing into the top of football. The Prem and EFL organisations themselves will suffer. As will funded grass-roots football, unless there is some kind of levy. |  |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:29 - Sep 7 with 2522 views | Bury_St_Edmundson |
I'm still unsure - will ifollow for the away team at PR still be showing? |  | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:31 - Sep 7 with 2510 views | Guthrum |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:19 - Sep 7 by Jon_456 |
I’d imagine it would take quite a hit on away followings. There’s no way I’m travelling to Accrington, Fleetwood or Morecambe if it’s available to stream. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lost around 500 tickets from home games either.
Hopefully it stays how it is. |
For most people, going to football matches is a communal experience, to meet up with mates, to be in amongst the crowd. Even with televised matches, fans often gather in the pub or round someone's house. That urge will still be there.
Edit: You also have to remember that the away following are a pretty dedicated hard-core, plus those (like myself) who live far from Ipswich taking a rare chance to see the team live somewhere within striking range. Those types are less likely to watch it on the computer instead. [Post edited 7 Sep 2022 8:39]
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:36 - Sep 7 with 2492 views | Jon_456 |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:40 - Sep 7 by StokieBlue |
I think the evidence suggests that is not the case.
It's very easy to stream the town matches now and we still fill most of our away quotas so nothing would change.
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Not legally and only easy if you know how.
Plymouth will be a good example as we took 1,500 there last season. Lets see how those numbers compare in a couple of weeks on Sky (albeit with an earlier KO time). | | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:40 - Sep 7 with 2464 views | BseaBlue |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 22:43 - Sep 6 by Swansea_Blue |
iFollow covers all 3pm fixtures, home and away, already. It’s about time the league realised that and put in place some more sensible rights deal. There should be no reason why clubs can’t stream every game to UK audiences as well as those connecting via an overseas server. I can’t imagine many people chose a stream over actually going. Watching on iFollow is normally a last resort (is for me anyway). |
I don't think the issue is the league. I believe this is a Uefa ruling and the English clubs/leagues and associations can do nothing about it. |  | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:45 - Sep 7 with 2441 views | davblue |
I'm not a local fan and would struggle to get to PR most weeks because of time (5 hour round trip) and my children's weekend schedules, so if i couldn't watch on IFollow the club wouldn't get my income, small fry i know, but i wonder if there's a viewpoint that getting in some money from people like me is a preference to the club getting nothing. Of course there's a trade off with people preferring not to go due to cost of going to the game to watching at home.
When i can make it to PR i will go. |  | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:49 - Sep 7 with 2377 views | Guthrum |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:36 - Sep 7 by Jon_456 |
Not legally and only easy if you know how.
Plymouth will be a good example as we took 1,500 there last season. Lets see how those numbers compare in a couple of weeks on Sky (albeit with an earlier KO time). |
Tho that game had particular significance, being the first between the two sides after the death of Paul Mariner. Plus this year people are more worried about spending money.
It now being on a Sunday lunchtime, means those travelling from Ipswich have to leave ridiculously early. | |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 09:17 - Sep 7 with 2296 views | StokieBlue |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:36 - Sep 7 by Jon_456 |
Not legally and only easy if you know how.
Plymouth will be a good example as we took 1,500 there last season. Lets see how those numbers compare in a couple of weeks on Sky (albeit with an earlier KO time). |
Once again, it's very easy to do and not difficult to research or ask someone.
It's not illegal to use a VPN.
I suspect we will take roughly the same as we did last season. There is very little downside for a club with the support levels of town having all their matches streamed, it's not going to massively reduce the crowds as we see each week (town are getting 5000 purchases on iFollow for matches and the grounds aren't empty).
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 09:23 - Sep 7 with 2281 views | urbanblue |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 09:17 - Sep 7 by StokieBlue |
Once again, it's very easy to do and not difficult to research or ask someone.
It's not illegal to use a VPN.
I suspect we will take roughly the same as we did last season. There is very little downside for a club with the support levels of town having all their matches streamed, it's not going to massively reduce the crowds as we see each week (town are getting 5000 purchases on iFollow for matches and the grounds aren't empty).
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On a slightly different note I've been wondering why ifollow shows a load of adverts for UK based things when it's officially only available overseas??? |  | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 09:53 - Sep 7 with 2219 views | Skip_Intro |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:19 - Sep 7 by Jon_456 |
I’d imagine it would take quite a hit on away followings. There’s no way I’m travelling to Accrington, Fleetwood or Morecambe if it’s available to stream. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lost around 500 tickets from home games either.
Hopefully it stays how it is. |
although ironically if our away following dropped but more fans watched it via Town TV our revenue would increase as the home club keeps all gate receipts currently... |  | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 09:54 - Sep 7 with 2216 views | CityBlue |
IMHO home games should only be available once a minimum number of home tickets have been sold. In the states they have TV blackouts for non sell out fixtures. |  |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 10:11 - Sep 7 with 2162 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:13 - Sep 7 by ITFC_Forever |
Yes there is, it potentially detracts from people actually going to the game. |
Upvoted by big bad Dave U.
I feel dirty. | |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 21:26 - Sep 7 with 1653 views | Danny_G |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:40 - Sep 7 by StokieBlue |
I think the evidence suggests that is not the case.
It's very easy to stream the town matches now and we still fill most of our away quotas so nothing would change.
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It’s also about protecting lower- and non-league attendances from the competition of televised higher-level matches. There’s not much direct evidence to go on, but the closest is probably a controlled study of attendance at Norwegian matches once they started showing foreign games from the big European leagues. Doing so led to a drop in attendances of Norwegian league matches shown at the same time as the foreign games. The conclusion was to suggest a rescheduling of matches in the Norwegian league, so they weren’t in direct competition.
There was also a very detailed study a few years ago of English football proving a correlation between lower attendances at the stadium and matches being shown on TV (this controlled for everything, from importance of the match to local derbies). The question is, do clubs think it’s worth the drop in attendances to get the extra TV money? | | | |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 21:48 - Sep 7 with 1584 views | ArnieM |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:19 - Sep 7 by Jon_456 |
I’d imagine it would take quite a hit on away followings. There’s no way I’m travelling to Accrington, Fleetwood or Morecambe if it’s available to stream. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lost around 500 tickets from home games either.
Hopefully it stays how it is. |
Surely thousands are already watching Town on ifollow on a Saturday via well known means, but it goes to appear to hindered tickets sales for away days travellers.
Why should tv dictate who can watch what and when? I get ( to a point) the argument from smaller clubs that they are missing out financially when Clubs like Toen can boast 5k ifollowers for a game. But if their ground capacity means they would only ever allocate 500/1500 away fans, then that’s their financial income ceiling surely? The fact that Town can generate further income from an additional 4K fans tuning in via ifollow is surely Towns (rightful) gain for having a big fan base.
Do clubs playing at Old Trafford “ expect” to get a larger % of the 75k gate receipts, (99% of whom are Utd fans) ? The only games where I think the gate receipts are split 50/50 is if the game is an FACup match. |  |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 21:55 - Sep 7 with 1563 views | monty_radio |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 08:40 - Sep 7 by BseaBlue |
I don't think the issue is the league. I believe this is a Uefa ruling and the English clubs/leagues and associations can do nothing about it. |
I think that this article, and others I've seen, suggest otherwise - that it was an EFL ruling brought in in the 1960s as televised games became a possibility, including back then, the top tier.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-stance-scrap-blackout-rule-2679 | |
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| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 22:20 - Sep 7 with 1517 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Town T.V. , i-Follow and the 3 p.m. blackout on 07:19 - Sep 7 by Jon_456 |
I’d imagine it would take quite a hit on away followings. There’s no way I’m travelling to Accrington, Fleetwood or Morecambe if it’s available to stream. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lost around 500 tickets from home games either.
Hopefully it stays how it is. |
Do you think Accrington will allow us to stream at their place?
Only on their terms. They don’t have a choice at the moment. They will if we go solo with our own streaming service | |
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