| Imagine how good we could be … 09:29 - Oct 22 with 4751 views | ringwoodblue |
If we had one or two decent strikers. We’d be unstoppable.
15 games in and I’m sorry Ladapo and JJ are not really doing it for me. Yes they both show some occasional flashes of quality but not consistently enough. Jackson is playing his part but as last night showed, he can’t find the net often enough. We haven’t seen Ahadme due to injury so he might be the missing link but I doubt it.
As someone suggested in the chat last night, Vydra is available (he’s only 30) and I’m sure we could tempt another good striker in the Jan window.
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:33 - Oct 22 with 3656 views | tractorboy1978 |
I am convinced the main focus of the January window will be bringing in a first choice striker that can step up a level. Not easy to find admittedly. |  | | |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:34 - Oct 22 with 3636 views | urbanblue |
Why do you doubt Ahadme is the answer? |  | | |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:46 - Oct 22 with 3578 views | strikalite |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:33 - Oct 22 by tractorboy1978 |
I am convinced the main focus of the January window will be bringing in a first choice striker that can step up a level. Not easy to find admittedly. |
Not easy to find at all, especially in January, Clubs will be queuing up for a player to come in and push them on with a few goals, where would he come from? No club will release someone in form, so it'd be someone with little game time, or injury prone and needing fitness....and they'd have to come straight in and hit the ground running, can't see it, massive ask.. |  | | |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:48 - Oct 22 with 3571 views | StokieBlue |
What evidence do you have that Ahadme won't be the missing link?
The number 9 isn't really the focal point of our play, I think it's unlikely anyone is going to get 20 goals in that position in this team unless they are of a quality that we won't be able to get in League One.
I mean look at your suggestion, Vydra? Seems highly unlikely he could be obtained within the financial constraints of League One.
People need to starting thinking with our real-life context rather than with FM22.
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:51 - Oct 22 with 3537 views | Dyland |
We play a system where the number 9's job is to make space for the 10s and wingers, and in some part the central midfielders. Listen to Westlake, he explains it well.
Ladapo will be expected to get 10 or 12 goals in this system.
We probably need a different option, but that's a tactical thing as much as a different striker. Ladapo has shown he can bang them in at this level. That's not to say we can't improve on our current strikers.
I see some talent in the youth but not up top... was Simpson the only striker pushing for the first team squad? |  |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:56 - Oct 22 with 3491 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:48 - Oct 22 by StokieBlue |
What evidence do you have that Ahadme won't be the missing link?
The number 9 isn't really the focal point of our play, I think it's unlikely anyone is going to get 20 goals in that position in this team unless they are of a quality that we won't be able to get in League One.
I mean look at your suggestion, Vydra? Seems highly unlikely he could be obtained within the financial constraints of League One.
People need to starting thinking with our real-life context rather than with FM22.
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Well we nearly had Will Keane the week before the window shut. | | | |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 10:00 - Oct 22 with 3443 views | Guthrum |
We're currently the division's joint top scorers. Only once in the League have we failed to score. Do we need to spend lots of money on another striker? Would it actually make any difference to our ability to win games?
Considering the biggest problem in League One is breaking through packed defences, the most useful players are attacking midfielders, supporting forwards and wide-men who can unlock that situation, not a lone individual marksman who would get crowded out. |  |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 10:06 - Oct 22 with 3402 views | berkstractorboy |
Who is this amazing striker who will drop down to L1 in January that we haven't identified before?
Maybe you could consider the style we play wouldn't even suit a Johnson C-H who has been prolific for Posh in L1.
If there was a striker with the power of Ladapo to hold the ball up and pressure defenders, the speed of Jackson and could finish say 33% of chances they would be upper end Championship. | | | |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 10:42 - Oct 22 with 3313 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 10:00 - Oct 22 by Guthrum |
We're currently the division's joint top scorers. Only once in the League have we failed to score. Do we need to spend lots of money on another striker? Would it actually make any difference to our ability to win games?
Considering the biggest problem in League One is breaking through packed defences, the most useful players are attacking midfielders, supporting forwards and wide-men who can unlock that situation, not a lone individual marksman who would get crowded out. |
The margins between automatic promotion or not are going to be tiny this season. We've started really well and I have absolutely no complaints - Ladapo, Jackson, JJ have all offered a lot in their roles. But the rhetoric that it isn't incumbent on them to also score goals is wrong.
You will have games where you just need a striker to sniff out a goal and be clinical with the one chance they get. Even last night, Jackson did well to anticipate the backpass, showed pace to get there but fluffed the opportunity. | | | |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 10:54 - Oct 22 with 3235 views | pointofblue |
My bugbear with the signing of Ladapo is he benefits from playing with a striking partner. We basically picked up someone who doesn’t suit the shape of the team and therefore we’re struggling to get the best out of him.
He also doesn’t work as well as a sub as he doesn’t stretch play. We’d have probably been better off bringing Edwards on for John-Jules and switching Jackson to centre forward. Then again, if we had, would Edwards have taken advantage of Davies’ error in the same way Jackson did? | |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 11:15 - Oct 22 with 3168 views | Guthrum |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 10:42 - Oct 22 by tractorboy1978 |
The margins between automatic promotion or not are going to be tiny this season. We've started really well and I have absolutely no complaints - Ladapo, Jackson, JJ have all offered a lot in their roles. But the rhetoric that it isn't incumbent on them to also score goals is wrong.
You will have games where you just need a striker to sniff out a goal and be clinical with the one chance they get. Even last night, Jackson did well to anticipate the backpass, showed pace to get there but fluffed the opportunity. |
But even good strikers will miss a lot of the time (thinking of last night's Derby sub McGoldrick when he was at Town). Are we actually going to be able to get anyone better, who is also capable of playing (and happy to do so) the other parts of the role in a McKenna setup?
There's no point in having a prima donna who just stands there expecting to be fed balls to put in the net. He won't occupy defenders to create gaps, or hold the ball up to bring others into play, or drop deep to help defend. There will inevitably be a trade-off at this level and thankfully we are equipped with the supporting players who can also score. | |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 11:27 - Oct 22 with 3114 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 11:15 - Oct 22 by Guthrum |
But even good strikers will miss a lot of the time (thinking of last night's Derby sub McGoldrick when he was at Town). Are we actually going to be able to get anyone better, who is also capable of playing (and happy to do so) the other parts of the role in a McKenna setup?
There's no point in having a prima donna who just stands there expecting to be fed balls to put in the net. He won't occupy defenders to create gaps, or hold the ball up to bring others into play, or drop deep to help defend. There will inevitably be a trade-off at this level and thankfully we are equipped with the supporting players who can also score. |
We were in for George Hirst and Will Keane right up until towards the end of the window. Both would have been million pound + deals and both would have been coming here as a first choice striker. So McKenna clearly thinks we need more. I'm not sure he really wants to be rotating that main striker like he is but it's needs must at the moment because we don't have a player with the all round suitability.
It won't be easy to get someone but I suspect we will try and that'll be the main focus of the window. [Post edited 22 Oct 2022 11:28]
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:02 - Oct 22 with 3005 views | Guthrum |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 11:27 - Oct 22 by tractorboy1978 |
We were in for George Hirst and Will Keane right up until towards the end of the window. Both would have been million pound + deals and both would have been coming here as a first choice striker. So McKenna clearly thinks we need more. I'm not sure he really wants to be rotating that main striker like he is but it's needs must at the moment because we don't have a player with the all round suitability.
It won't be easy to get someone but I suspect we will try and that'll be the main focus of the window. [Post edited 22 Oct 2022 11:28]
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Indeed. But certainly in terms of Keane, I think that was still to play the Ladapo role. Then we hired Ahadme, similar.
I believe that the striker rotation is more "horses for courses" than down to unsuitability. Whether he wants more pace and trickery (John-Jules) or strength and hold-up play (Ladapo).
It's not like they're missing loads of good chances every game. | |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:13 - Oct 22 with 2962 views | LeoMuff |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 10:00 - Oct 22 by Guthrum |
We're currently the division's joint top scorers. Only once in the League have we failed to score. Do we need to spend lots of money on another striker? Would it actually make any difference to our ability to win games?
Considering the biggest problem in League One is breaking through packed defences, the most useful players are attacking midfielders, supporting forwards and wide-men who can unlock that situation, not a lone individual marksman who would get crowded out. |
Not really sure on Ahadme, but if Lapado got injured we would be in trouble, so I think we will definitely strengthen |  |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:18 - Oct 22 with 2947 views | NthQldITFC |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:46 - Oct 22 by strikalite |
Not easy to find at all, especially in January, Clubs will be queuing up for a player to come in and push them on with a few goals, where would he come from? No club will release someone in form, so it'd be someone with little game time, or injury prone and needing fitness....and they'd have to come straight in and hit the ground running, can't see it, massive ask.. |
I'd be prepared to pay decent money for Ryan Hardie from Plymouth, although he may not want to come of course. Exactly what we need, and would deny his services to our biggest rival. Doesn't seem to be starting for them at the moment. |  |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:19 - Oct 22 with 2942 views | bazza |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:34 - Oct 22 by urbanblue |
Why do you doubt Ahadme is the answer? |
Any news on how he’s progressing ?? What injury does he have? |  | | |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:20 - Oct 22 with 2938 views | StokieBlue |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 09:56 - Oct 22 by tractorboy1978 |
Well we nearly had Will Keane the week before the window shut. |
What's your point?
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:21 - Oct 22 with 2930 views | monty_radio |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 10:00 - Oct 22 by Guthrum |
We're currently the division's joint top scorers. Only once in the League have we failed to score. Do we need to spend lots of money on another striker? Would it actually make any difference to our ability to win games?
Considering the biggest problem in League One is breaking through packed defences, the most useful players are attacking midfielders, supporting forwards and wide-men who can unlock that situation, not a lone individual marksman who would get crowded out. |
I see what you're saying but in the latter stages of a fruitless game e.g. Lincoln we settle for Evans curling it into the box at head height where there should be a threat, but there isn't.
Also, that wide wing-play often results in low-level crosses flashing across the box in search of a poacher we still don't have. Yes we score a lot, and, it being L1, we'll miss a few. But we don't get the full reward for our attacking prowess at the moment. | |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:26 - Oct 22 with 2905 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:18 - Oct 22 by NthQldITFC |
I'd be prepared to pay decent money for Ryan Hardie from Plymouth, although he may not want to come of course. Exactly what we need, and would deny his services to our biggest rival. Doesn't seem to be starting for them at the moment. |
What makes you think that he isn't starting for them?
8 starts, 4 appearances off the bench and 2 times an unused sub. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ryan-hardie/leistungsdaten/spieler/249063 |  |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:29 - Oct 22 with 2891 views | ElderGrizzly |
You know we’re joint highest scorers in the league? |  | | |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:30 - Oct 22 with 2884 views | NthQldITFC |
Ignorance and hope!
Thanks for the correction. | |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:57 - Oct 22 with 2828 views | LeoMuff |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:18 - Oct 22 by NthQldITFC |
I'd be prepared to pay decent money for Ryan Hardie from Plymouth, although he may not want to come of course. Exactly what we need, and would deny his services to our biggest rival. Doesn't seem to be starting for them at the moment. |
They won’t be selling to us. | |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 19:46 - Oct 22 with 2603 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:20 - Oct 22 by StokieBlue |
What's your point?
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That it is far from fanciful to think we could sign a player that we think shouldn't be playing at this level. We've done it numerous times over the last 18 months. Just because you have low standards it doesn't mean the club do. [Post edited 22 Oct 2022 19:48]
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 20:25 - Oct 22 with 2472 views | textbackup |
Personally, i think the more teams work out how we play the more we are going to need a striker that we can trust to put away even a half chance.
at present we dont have that. question is can we get through this season and get promoted with the guys we have..... i think maybe yes, but it would be a whole lot less stressful if we had this striker i mention above.
(and no i dont have any names to suggest, just thinking out loud) |  |
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| Imagine how good we could be … on 20:26 - Oct 22 with 2454 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Imagine how good we could be … on 13:29 - Oct 22 by ElderGrizzly |
You know we’re joint highest scorers in the league? |
Only scored 1 goal in the first 45 minutes in the last 5 games tho, so not surprising people are curious to want another striker. |  |
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