| Henderson starting tomorrow.... 17:44 - Nov 28 with 4897 views | Bloots |
....ahead of Bellingham.
Rock n Roll football from Southgate. |  |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 17:49 - Nov 28 with 3762 views | Scuzzer |
Good. Bellingham was pants in the last game. |  |
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| what with Kane playing it reminds me of a TV comedy on 17:50 - Nov 28 with 3744 views | Keno |
Harry and the Henderson |  |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 18:45 - Nov 28 with 3613 views | tonybied |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 17:49 - Nov 28 by Scuzzer |
Good. Bellingham was pants in the last game. |
Yeah, we were a much better team when Bellingham was subbed for Henderson in the USA game  |  | | |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 18:50 - Nov 28 with 3585 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 18:45 - Nov 28 by tonybied |
Yeah, we were a much better team when Bellingham was subbed for Henderson in the USA game |
It matters little how either of them played against USA now. What matters is how effective they will be tomorrow in the role they are given against a quite different opposition. |  |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 19:35 - Nov 28 with 3465 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 17:49 - Nov 28 by Scuzzer |
Good. Bellingham was pants in the last game. |
But there were still 6 who were worse. |  | | |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 19:57 - Nov 28 with 3380 views | clive_baker |
I know this might be a controversial opinion but I think Henderson is a fantastic footballer. I would go as far as saying he’s the most underrated English player of this generation, unbelievably talented. |  |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 19:58 - Nov 28 with 3354 views | Keno |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 19:57 - Nov 28 by clive_baker |
I know this might be a controversial opinion but I think Henderson is a fantastic footballer. I would go as far as saying he’s the most underrated English player of this generation, unbelievably talented. |
Let me just say that I tend to agree with you | |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 20:04 - Nov 28 with 3330 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 19:57 - Nov 28 by clive_baker |
I know this might be a controversial opinion but I think Henderson is a fantastic footballer. I would go as far as saying he’s the most underrated English player of this generation, unbelievably talented. |
I don’t think that’s particularly controversial. What’s controversial is the number of numpties who think they know more about football and players than Jürgen Klopp, Brendan Rogers, Fabio Capello, Kenny Dalgleish, Roy Hodgson, Gareth Southgate and Steve Bruce. Er, ok, I’ll give them Steve Bruce. |  |
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| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 20:08 - Nov 28 with 3312 views | Bloots |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 19:57 - Nov 28 by clive_baker |
I know this might be a controversial opinion but I think Henderson is a fantastic footballer. I would go as far as saying he’s the most underrated English player of this generation, unbelievably talented. |
....but him playing next to RIce, who is basically a younger, fitter and more mobile version of Henderson is negative and dull.
My point wasn't a slight on Henderson, more a concern that Southgate has very quickly slipped back into his old safety first attitude.
Drop RIce for Henderson if you want, but not Bellingham. | |
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| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 20:33 - Nov 28 with 3233 views | CrayonKing |
| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 20:08 - Nov 28 by Bloots |
....but him playing next to RIce, who is basically a younger, fitter and more mobile version of Henderson is negative and dull.
My point wasn't a slight on Henderson, more a concern that Southgate has very quickly slipped back into his old safety first attitude.
Drop RIce for Henderson if you want, but not Bellingham. |
With anything but a heavy defeat sending us through I can sort-of understand the safety-first approach, but its not exactly inspiring! |  | | |
| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 22:10 - Nov 28 with 3092 views | cressi |
| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 20:33 - Nov 28 by CrayonKing |
With anything but a heavy defeat sending us through I can sort-of understand the safety-first approach, but its not exactly inspiring! |
Personally I think Rice only passes sideways yes a defensive midfielder but I'm far from convinced top defenders score more |  | | |
| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 06:38 - Nov 29 with 2897 views | mikeybloo88 |
| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 22:10 - Nov 28 by cressi |
Personally I think Rice only passes sideways yes a defensive midfielder but I'm far from convinced top defenders score more |
You can be a defensive midfielder and still contribute much more offensively than Rice....compared to Busquets or Casemiro he’s poor. I think Philips when fit alongside Bellingham would be better for this team... |  | | |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 07:03 - Nov 29 with 2858 views | tractordownsouth |
Will be interesting to see if we go for a back 4 or a back 5. I don’t think we need 5 back there against Wales but matching them up could make sense.
Walker starting is a good decision though, we need him back fit because of the in-game tactical flexibility he offers the team. And if we progress further, we’re likely to meet France in the quarters and he’s the only defender we have who has the pace to deal with Mbappe so he needs to be up to speed. |  |
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| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 07:14 - Nov 29 with 2822 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 22:10 - Nov 28 by cressi |
Personally I think Rice only passes sideways yes a defensive midfielder but I'm far from convinced top defenders score more |
Harry Maguire has more career goals than N’Golo Kante. Ergo Kante must be rubbish |  |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 08:44 - Nov 29 with 2654 views | rickw |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 19:35 - Nov 28 by OsborneOneNil |
But there were still 6 who were worse. |
Completely agree, I thought the problem against USA is that we were too defensive - the forwards didn't press, the full backs hardly went into the oppositions half, wasn't sure if the players had no sleep or this was Southgate's tactics...
Southgate's solution appears to be to go more defensive....
I think Henderson is a good player, when he was coming on I assumed it would be for Mount (and push Bellingham forward) as Mount had been invisible. Henderson in for Bellingham means we'll be completely reliant on Mount for creativity and although I like him he hasn't been at his best so far this WC... |  |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 08:52 - Nov 29 with 2628 views | BiGDonnie |
But Kane, who's clearly carrying an injury plays. I really have no time for this England and management team. |  |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 08:58 - Nov 29 with 2604 views | Wickets |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 20:04 - Nov 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t think that’s particularly controversial. What’s controversial is the number of numpties who think they know more about football and players than Jürgen Klopp, Brendan Rogers, Fabio Capello, Kenny Dalgleish, Roy Hodgson, Gareth Southgate and Steve Bruce. Er, ok, I’ll give them Steve Bruce. |
And a primal example of numpties was the last 12 months of slagging Harry Maguire off at the slightest chance ! |  | | |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:05 - Nov 29 with 2561 views | itfcjoe |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 18:45 - Nov 28 by tonybied |
Yeah, we were a much better team when Bellingham was subbed for Henderson in the USA game |
But we actually were, we had totally lost control of the game for the 20 minutes prior to his sub and when him and Grealish came on we were the better side from that point.
Admittedly we were still poor, but we were going to lose that game before he came on as just could not get on the ball or have any territory with it.
Whoever plays in this game doesn't matter for me - we are 99.99% qualified already - lets see who Southgate starts and how they play in the knockout rounds first |  |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:11 - Nov 29 with 2546 views | tractordownsouth |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:05 - Nov 29 by itfcjoe |
But we actually were, we had totally lost control of the game for the 20 minutes prior to his sub and when him and Grealish came on we were the better side from that point.
Admittedly we were still poor, but we were going to lose that game before he came on as just could not get on the ball or have any territory with it.
Whoever plays in this game doesn't matter for me - we are 99.99% qualified already - lets see who Southgate starts and how they play in the knockout rounds first |
Tonight has to be a good balance between getting the win to guarantee winning the group (although a point will be enough with a draw between USA and Iran) and giving minutes to players who need them. I wasn't one clamouring for Foden on Friday, but I don't see the harm in playing him today, Walker needs to get up to speed, plus Grealish Henderson will be needed at some point. Otherwise, I'd keep it the same and give Wilson the last half an hour if we're a couple of goals up. | |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:19 - Nov 29 with 2515 views | tonybied |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:05 - Nov 29 by itfcjoe |
But we actually were, we had totally lost control of the game for the 20 minutes prior to his sub and when him and Grealish came on we were the better side from that point.
Admittedly we were still poor, but we were going to lose that game before he came on as just could not get on the ball or have any territory with it.
Whoever plays in this game doesn't matter for me - we are 99.99% qualified already - lets see who Southgate starts and how they play in the knockout rounds first |
I have nothing against Henderson, as a few have mentioned above to play him, Mount and Rice was just too defensive. We have a plethora of top class attacking players but Southgate is reluctant to use them.
Our defensive unit - even if pecked out with our more defensive midfielders - is not international class and will fall down as soon as we meet an international class forward line. Why set ourselves up with a weaker team than we have to, playing to your strengths is surely a better way to go? [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 9:26]
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:20 - Nov 29 with 2514 views | Wickets |
Maguire, Henderson and Rice to start for me rock solid spine along with the obvious choices of Pickford and Kane . | | | |
| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 09:21 - Nov 29 with 2504 views | clive_baker |
| He's a more than adequate footballer.... on 20:08 - Nov 28 by Bloots |
....but him playing next to RIce, who is basically a younger, fitter and more mobile version of Henderson is negative and dull.
My point wasn't a slight on Henderson, more a concern that Southgate has very quickly slipped back into his old safety first attitude.
Drop RIce for Henderson if you want, but not Bellingham. |
Recently Henderson has played more defensively for Liverpool, but I would imagine next to Rice it will give him the license to be more of a classic number 8, box to box, which is what he's spent most of his career doing. Fresh legs and a bit of nous and experience in there is sensible IMO against a side that will no doubt be trying anything to rattle us.
The bigger question for me is which 3 he plays behind Kane. Mount, Sterling, Saka has been the go to so far but I would quite like to see Foden start tonight. | |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:40 - Nov 29 with 2430 views | itfcjoe |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:19 - Nov 29 by tonybied |
I have nothing against Henderson, as a few have mentioned above to play him, Mount and Rice was just too defensive. We have a plethora of top class attacking players but Southgate is reluctant to use them.
Our defensive unit - even if pecked out with our more defensive midfielders - is not international class and will fall down as soon as we meet an international class forward line. Why set ourselves up with a weaker team than we have to, playing to your strengths is surely a better way to go? [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 9:26]
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But being defensive has got us through tournaments in the recent history so can see why we elect to go that way - ultimately in Stones and Maguire we have good centre backs but neither are top class so need that bit of protection so can see why we go that way.
You look around at nearly every team and it is safety first - France maybe aside but then they have superb players all over so can get away with it - but even watching Brazil yesterday it's very much sit deep, be compact and try and hit on the break | |
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:44 - Nov 29 with 2410 views | tractordownsouth |
| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:19 - Nov 29 by tonybied |
I have nothing against Henderson, as a few have mentioned above to play him, Mount and Rice was just too defensive. We have a plethora of top class attacking players but Southgate is reluctant to use them.
Our defensive unit - even if pecked out with our more defensive midfielders - is not international class and will fall down as soon as we meet an international class forward line. Why set ourselves up with a weaker team than we have to, playing to your strengths is surely a better way to go? [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 9:26]
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If our defence is weak then surely that's an argument for giving it more protection? If we play a back 4 (which isn't blessed with pace) with a single pivot against France or Brazil, we'll get ripped apart.
By all means do that in the group stages, but knockout football requires greater stability. France had by far the most talented squad in the previous tournament, and they even played with Blaise Matuidi out wide to protect the defence, which was much better than ours. [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 9:44]
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| Henderson starting tomorrow.... on 09:45 - Nov 29 with 2393 views | Pinewoodblue |
We need to start the game with the intention of winning it, go too defensive, simply look to qualify , we risk losing it.
Just hope, If things aren’t going right, we make our substitutions earlier than against USA. |  |
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