| So, the underwater specialist search team 09:46 - Feb 9 with 5505 views | noggin |
are now saying, if Nichola Bulley was in the river, they would have found her by now. The police are still convinced she is in the water. A very strange case. |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 10:04 - Feb 9 with 3990 views | itfcjoe |
Why is this underwater search guy speaking so much to the press, he was talking a load before he'd even got in the water. |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:17 - Feb 9 with 3817 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 10:04 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
Why is this underwater search guy speaking so much to the press, he was talking a load before he'd even got in the water. |
Basking in his 15 minutes? |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:26 - Feb 9 with 3794 views | Zx1988 |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 10:04 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
Why is this underwater search guy speaking so much to the press, he was talking a load before he'd even got in the water. |
Perhaps he's concerned by the police's absolute obsession with the fact that she must be in the water, and their seeming belief that there can be no other explanation.
As a specialist search and rescue diver, I'd imagine he has a greater understanding than the police of such matters.
If I was in his shoes, and thought the police were being utterly blinkered (perhaps to the detriment of the investigation?) I'd be speaking out as well. |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:28 - Feb 9 with 3767 views | J2BLUE |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 10:04 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
Why is this underwater search guy speaking so much to the press, he was talking a load before he'd even got in the water. |
Agree. He was giving it large before going in and his quotes read very strangely. Like he's using this as promotion. He should be sticking to the facts and looking for his 15 minutes of fame afterwards if he solves the case. |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:32 - Feb 9 with 3747 views | DJR |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 10:04 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
Why is this underwater search guy speaking so much to the press, he was talking a load before he'd even got in the water. |
All very odd, as is the fact that the police have told amateur detectives not to abuse witnesses or attempt to break into empty or derelict buildings along the River Wyre near where she disappeared.
I suppose it's all down to the social media age, but this type of vigilantism is very distasteful to me.
Of course, no one would be interested if she came from the wrong side of the tracks. |  | | |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:32 - Feb 9 with 3735 views | Skip_Intro |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 10:04 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
Why is this underwater search guy speaking so much to the press, he was talking a load before he'd even got in the water. |
clearly self-promotion for his company - terrible behaviour which is unhelpful to all concerned and would imagine the police will be reviewing his contract with them following this... |  | | |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:35 - Feb 9 with 3709 views | noggin |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:28 - Feb 9 by J2BLUE |
Agree. He was giving it large before going in and his quotes read very strangely. Like he's using this as promotion. He should be sticking to the facts and looking for his 15 minutes of fame afterwards if he solves the case. |
But as he has said, if she had fallen in, she would almost certainly have been found in the immediate area. I suppose his experience told him very early on that she wasn't in the water. He has also stated that her body would have floated to the surface by now.
Seems strange that the police don't agree. | |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:36 - Feb 9 with 3683 views | N2_Blue |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:26 - Feb 9 by Zx1988 |
Perhaps he's concerned by the police's absolute obsession with the fact that she must be in the water, and their seeming belief that there can be no other explanation.
As a specialist search and rescue diver, I'd imagine he has a greater understanding than the police of such matters.
If I was in his shoes, and thought the police were being utterly blinkered (perhaps to the detriment of the investigation?) I'd be speaking out as well. |
But it's effectively impossible for her to have got out of the area she was in and not be caught on surveillance.
The only plausible reason is she fell in the water and drowned. I think the diving team knew that so got involved as they thought they'd find her. Now that they haven't found her he's coming out with all sorts. But it's tidal water and searching water of any kind isn't easy. I hope they find her but it looking unlikely now, her body could even be out at sea. |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:38 - Feb 9 with 3663 views | Skip_Intro |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:35 - Feb 9 by noggin |
But as he has said, if she had fallen in, she would almost certainly have been found in the immediate area. I suppose his experience told him very early on that she wasn't in the water. He has also stated that her body would have floated to the surface by now.
Seems strange that the police don't agree. |
we don't know what the police believe - only what they have released in official statements - it's not entirely implausible that they carefully control what they release/purport to believe to further other possible angles of investigation... | | | |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:40 - Feb 9 with 3634 views | Keno |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:36 - Feb 9 by N2_Blue |
But it's effectively impossible for her to have got out of the area she was in and not be caught on surveillance.
The only plausible reason is she fell in the water and drowned. I think the diving team knew that so got involved as they thought they'd find her. Now that they haven't found her he's coming out with all sorts. But it's tidal water and searching water of any kind isn't easy. I hope they find her but it looking unlikely now, her body could even be out at sea. |
"But it's effectively impossible for her to have got out of the area she was in and not be caught on surveillance"
from reports yesterday I dont think this is the case |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:41 - Feb 9 with 3625 views | Ryorry |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:36 - Feb 9 by N2_Blue |
But it's effectively impossible for her to have got out of the area she was in and not be caught on surveillance.
The only plausible reason is she fell in the water and drowned. I think the diving team knew that so got involved as they thought they'd find her. Now that they haven't found her he's coming out with all sorts. But it's tidal water and searching water of any kind isn't easy. I hope they find her but it looking unlikely now, her body could even be out at sea. |
Let's hope the local police weren't so stupid as to have not considered the possibility that she may have exited the location by boat. |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:44 - Feb 9 with 3609 views | noggin |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:41 - Feb 9 by Ryorry |
Let's hope the local police weren't so stupid as to have not considered the possibility that she may have exited the location by boat. |
Good point, although surely witnesses would have seen any boats in the area and police would be asking for them to come forward. | |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:46 - Feb 9 with 3572 views | DJR |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:32 - Feb 9 by DJR |
All very odd, as is the fact that the police have told amateur detectives not to abuse witnesses or attempt to break into empty or derelict buildings along the River Wyre near where she disappeared.
I suppose it's all down to the social media age, but this type of vigilantism is very distasteful to me.
Of course, no one would be interested if she came from the wrong side of the tracks. |
The preferential treatment for those that the media decide are worthy brings to mind the case of the missing daughter of an aristocrat, who was able to get the editor of the Independent, Geordie Greig, to make an appeal for his daughter's return on a prime time spot on the Today Programme two or three weeks ago.
Oh, to have friends in high places. | | | |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:49 - Feb 9 with 3491 views | Zx1988 |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:38 - Feb 9 by Skip_Intro |
we don't know what the police believe - only what they have released in official statements - it's not entirely implausible that they carefully control what they release/purport to believe to further other possible angles of investigation... |
That's what I was wondering as well.
It's perfectly plausible that the police know now that the drowning theory is unlikely and have another working theory, but that they are not publicising it in order to not tip off any potential suspects etc., | |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:50 - Feb 9 with 3462 views | Keno |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:46 - Feb 9 by DJR |
The preferential treatment for those that the media decide are worthy brings to mind the case of the missing daughter of an aristocrat, who was able to get the editor of the Independent, Geordie Greig, to make an appeal for his daughter's return on a prime time spot on the Today Programme two or three weeks ago.
Oh, to have friends in high places. |
I'm sure the Sherpa's in the Himalayas like you | |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:20 - Feb 9 with 3247 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 11:17 - Feb 9 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Basking in his 15 minutes? |
Low blow. The bloke has helped people find the bodies of their lost relatives.
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:28 - Feb 9 with 3128 views | DJR |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:20 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Low blow. The bloke has helped people find the bodies of their lost relatives.
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He has been authorised to join the search, but the general point the police have made is that the public shouldn't be joining in the search in a vigilante type of way.
The abuse he has got is appalling but, as I said above, the whole case appears to show the very distasteful nature of missing persons' searches in the social media age.
EDIT: you appear to have edited out your last comments, to which I was responding. [Post edited 9 Feb 2023 12:31]
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:36 - Feb 9 with 3067 views | itfcjoe |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:20 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Low blow. The bloke has helped people find the bodies of their lost relatives.
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I'm sure he's a good guy, but not sure his interventions outside the water have been particularly helpful to the police | |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:48 - Feb 9 with 2981 views | Illinoisblue |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 10:04 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
Why is this underwater search guy speaking so much to the press, he was talking a load before he'd even got in the water. |
The clip I saw of him yesterday he was having a pop at keyboard warriors saying if they wanted to get in a cold dirty river at 3am and fish out dead bodies they were welcome to join him. |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:52 - Feb 9 with 2945 views | stonojnr |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:36 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
I'm sure he's a good guy, but not sure his interventions outside the water have been particularly helpful to the police |
For me its that what he says goes on to fuel the media speculation and amateur/arm chair detective theories even more
which I'd have thought someone regularly involved in helping the police search for missing people would know there's time for making no comments to fuel that kind of unhelpful speculation, because it hampers and delays investigations and time to publish pet theories later.
I actually don't think he should be talking to the media at all at this stage, all the official communicating of updates should be coming from the police. | | | |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:57 - Feb 9 with 2895 views | Ryorry |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:52 - Feb 9 by stonojnr |
For me its that what he says goes on to fuel the media speculation and amateur/arm chair detective theories even more
which I'd have thought someone regularly involved in helping the police search for missing people would know there's time for making no comments to fuel that kind of unhelpful speculation, because it hampers and delays investigations and time to publish pet theories later.
I actually don't think he should be talking to the media at all at this stage, all the official communicating of updates should be coming from the police. |
I've not looked at the social media flare-up around him/this in detail, but got the impression he was simply defending himself, as he was entitled to do, against some pretty vile accusations. | |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 13:12 - Feb 9 with 2831 views | itfcjoe |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 12:48 - Feb 9 by Illinoisblue |
The clip I saw of him yesterday he was having a pop at keyboard warriors saying if they wanted to get in a cold dirty river at 3am and fish out dead bodies they were welcome to join him. |
There's also a clip of him saying that he has asked her partner whether she had any stalkers etc and without being blunt that isn't really his job to investigate and by saying things like that it gets people speculating outside of it.
He'd also spoke about the river before he'd been engaged to provide services etc that if she is in the river they'll find her within minutes.
I don't in anyway agree with the trolling and abuse of him, but he shouldn't be giving updates like this, there is a reason there is a lead on these cases who communicates because they are the person with all the known information | |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 13:36 - Feb 9 with 2677 views | clive_baker |
Genuine question, how likely is it that a body would be swept away such a distance that she's now in the sea? I have no idea. |  |
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| Not quite on 13:57 - Feb 9 with 2563 views | Guthrum |
He said if she was in the part of the river they've searched, he was sure they'd have found her. Doesn't rule out the possibility she might be further down. |  |
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| So, the underwater specialist search team on 14:08 - Feb 9 with 2496 views | Keno |
| So, the underwater specialist search team on 13:36 - Feb 9 by clive_baker |
Genuine question, how likely is it that a body would be swept away such a distance that she's now in the sea? I have no idea. |
It will depend on a range of factors including
how fast the river flows
what the river bed is like (eh lots of weeds and debris will slow the movement of a body)
are there weirs or dams
is it very tidal
I am sure others factors play a part | |
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