| Nick Pope’s red card. 23:10 - Feb 18 with 4658 views | MattinLondon |
Probably a stupid question but here goes.
The ball was going away from goal and there was a covering defender - if an outfield player has deliberately hand balled it in that position it would have been a yellow card. So why is it red for a keeper? |  | | |  |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 23:42 - Feb 18 with 4280 views | Kentish_Tractor |
Denying a goalscoring opportunity. If he doesn't block it Salah essentially has an open goal if he hits it early enough. |  |
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| Nick Pope’s red card. on 23:51 - Feb 18 with 4235 views | leftback |
Deliberate handball outside box by keeper is a red card
Different rules for goalies/outfielders, don’t know if you’ve noticed goalies can use their hands inside the box, outfielders can’t | | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 23:52 - Feb 18 with 4232 views | Vaughan8 |
I'm the opposite. I'm finding hard how some people can't see it is a definitely red card. Have you been listening to Jamie Redknapp too much?
Salah would have practically an open goal with maybe one defender there...........who can't use his hands arms etc. | | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 23:53 - Feb 18 with 4231 views | BloomBlue |
Also strange that his red card means he misses the Carabo Cup final but apparently another Newcastle player was one yellow card away from a ban, but that ban would only include Prem games and he would be able to play in the final |  | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 01:25 - Feb 19 with 3997 views | Perublue |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 23:53 - Feb 18 by BloomBlue |
Also strange that his red card means he misses the Carabo Cup final but apparently another Newcastle player was one yellow card away from a ban, but that ban would only include Prem games and he would be able to play in the final |
I'm sure Sky News just told me that the Liverpool keeper who had that awful champions league final is in the frame to play. |  |
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| Nick Pope’s red card. on 03:58 - Feb 19 with 3891 views | pointofblue |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 01:25 - Feb 19 by Perublue |
I'm sure Sky News just told me that the Liverpool keeper who had that awful champions league final is in the frame to play. |
Yes, because Dubravka is cup tied - ironically by Manchester United. | |
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| Nick Pope’s red card. on 06:15 - Feb 19 with 3761 views | Chrisd |
If Salah skipped past Pope, he’s got an open goal to tuck the ball into. It was a red card all day long based on the rules. Looks like Newcastle will have to play their 3rd choice keeper in next weekend’s final - Karius, remember him?! Darlow is out on a season long loan, so Gillespie is their other option. [Post edited 19 Feb 2023 6:23]
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| Nick Pope’s red card. on 06:46 - Feb 19 with 3684 views | Churchman |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 06:15 - Feb 19 by Chrisd |
If Salah skipped past Pope, he’s got an open goal to tuck the ball into. It was a red card all day long based on the rules. Looks like Newcastle will have to play their 3rd choice keeper in next weekend’s final - Karius, remember him?! Darlow is out on a season long loan, so Gillespie is their other option. [Post edited 19 Feb 2023 6:23]
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Yes, red card end of. He went to head the ball and missed. After that, reflex took over and he hauled the ball back. It was ‘one of those’. Feel sorry for the bloke, but there it is, that’s the rules. |  | | |
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| Nick Pope’s red card. on 08:22 - Feb 19 with 3457 views | TrumptonBlue |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 23:51 - Feb 18 by leftback |
Deliberate handball outside box by keeper is a red card
Different rules for goalies/outfielders, don’t know if you’ve noticed goalies can use their hands inside the box, outfielders can’t |
That’s not correct. Law 12 states that goalkeepers are subject to the same restrictions and punishments as any other player with regards to handling outside of the area. A handball should only be punished with a red card if it’s a DOGSO. |  | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 09:17 - Feb 19 with 3280 views | HighgateBlue |
The only question is whether he denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity. If yes, it's a red. If no, it's not.
That's a question on which there is very frequently disagreement. I find it to be a pretty woolly phrase to be honest. There was obviously an opportunity to score (you can generally see that from a keeper's desperate actions in handling outside of the box), but how good an opportunity does it have to be? A chance, a half-chance?
The rule doesn't state that it's only a red card if the attacker would definitely have scored, or would have been likely to score. It's just an obvious opportunity. Personally I think it was a relatively clear red, but I don't love the wording of the rule. |  | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:20 - Feb 19 with 3092 views | MattinLondon |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 09:17 - Feb 19 by HighgateBlue |
The only question is whether he denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity. If yes, it's a red. If no, it's not.
That's a question on which there is very frequently disagreement. I find it to be a pretty woolly phrase to be honest. There was obviously an opportunity to score (you can generally see that from a keeper's desperate actions in handling outside of the box), but how good an opportunity does it have to be? A chance, a half-chance?
The rule doesn't state that it's only a red card if the attacker would definitely have scored, or would have been likely to score. It's just an obvious opportunity. Personally I think it was a relatively clear red, but I don't love the wording of the rule. |
Admittedly I’ve only seen the incident once but I thought that there was a covering defender and the ball was going away from goal. | | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:35 - Feb 19 with 3051 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 01:25 - Feb 19 by Perublue |
I'm sure Sky News just told me that the Liverpool keeper who had that awful champions league final is in the frame to play. |
He had an awful CL Final because he was deliberately elbowed in the head by Sergio Ramos early on. | | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:49 - Feb 19 with 3006 views | strikalite |
Just hope they see sense and overturn it, everyone can see it was accidental, so bloody cruel having to miss the biggest game of his life for that... |  | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 11:11 - Feb 19 with 2958 views | Kentish_Tractor |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:49 - Feb 19 by strikalite |
Just hope they see sense and overturn it, everyone can see it was accidental, so bloody cruel having to miss the biggest game of his life for that... |
Ok. Firstly the initial contact with his arm was accidental as he slid in to try and head it but missed. But the 2nd contact was a deliberate save with his arms to stop Salah playing the ball. Blatantly obvious and nothing accidental about it.
Secondly. Rules are rules. Denied a goalscoring opportunity. Unfortunate that he misses the cup final. But actions have consequences. You can't go changing the rules just because you 'feel sorry' for them. | |
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| Nick Pope’s red card. on 11:48 - Feb 19 with 2904 views | strikalite |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 11:11 - Feb 19 by Kentish_Tractor |
Ok. Firstly the initial contact with his arm was accidental as he slid in to try and head it but missed. But the 2nd contact was a deliberate save with his arms to stop Salah playing the ball. Blatantly obvious and nothing accidental about it.
Secondly. Rules are rules. Denied a goalscoring opportunity. Unfortunate that he misses the cup final. But actions have consequences. You can't go changing the rules just because you 'feel sorry' for them. |
Well I knew somebody was going to say that :)
Yep hands up you're right, but ffs it's just so harsh on Pope and I feel for him. | | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 12:40 - Feb 19 with 2763 views | iamatractorboy |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:20 - Feb 19 by MattinLondon |
Admittedly I’ve only seen the incident once but I thought that there was a covering defender and the ball was going away from goal. |
Yes but the covering defender cannot use his hands and so it is a much easier opportunity to score. If you switched it around and a defender handballed it as 'last man' (as the phrase goes) then I don't think anyone would question the red, even though the attacker would still have the goalie, who can use his hands in the box of course, to beat. | | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 13:56 - Feb 19 with 2609 views | bournemouthblue |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:35 - Feb 19 by ArnoldMoorhen |
He had an awful CL Final because he was deliberately elbowed in the head by Sergio Ramos early on. |
wasn't he actually concussed and they weren't aware at the time? |  |
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| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:11 - Feb 20 with 2221 views | Wickets |
Every Goalkeeper knows or should know if he handles outside of the Penalty area he gets sent off . |  | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:26 - Feb 20 with 2193 views | TrumptonBlue |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:11 - Feb 20 by Wickets |
Every Goalkeeper knows or should know if he handles outside of the Penalty area he gets sent off . |
Well, he shouldn't, because those aren't the rules. | | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 13:45 - Feb 20 with 1967 views | SamWhiteUK |
Anyone care to explain to me why the cup game is the game he's going to miss? Why is it so complicated in terms of which competition bans carry across? Would he have missed an FA cup final? |  | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 15:54 - Feb 20 with 1832 views | Wickets |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 10:26 - Feb 20 by TrumptonBlue |
Well, he shouldn't, because those aren't the rules. |
I think that is the rule for deliberate handball maybe i should have said that but as someone else has said the second handball was deliberate . Being a Ref it a tough enough job without criticism when they are clearly right . | | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 16:10 - Feb 20 with 1775 views | PhilTWTD |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 15:54 - Feb 20 by Wickets |
I think that is the rule for deliberate handball maybe i should have said that but as someone else has said the second handball was deliberate . Being a Ref it a tough enough job without criticism when they are clearly right . |
A keeper handling the ball outside the area is the same as for any other player on the field. The red card only comes into it when they're denying a goalscoring opportunity. |  | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 16:12 - Feb 20 with 1760 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 16:10 - Feb 20 by PhilTWTD |
A keeper handling the ball outside the area is the same as for any other player on the field. The red card only comes into it when they're denying a goalscoring opportunity. |
Which it was. |  |
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| Nick Pope’s red card. on 17:48 - Feb 21 with 1408 views | Wickets |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 16:10 - Feb 20 by PhilTWTD |
A keeper handling the ball outside the area is the same as for any other player on the field. The red card only comes into it when they're denying a goalscoring opportunity. |
Indeed so why would it be an exception for a keeper ? as some seem to be arguing . Poor old Nick Pope ! | | | |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 18:13 - Feb 21 with 1347 views | Trequartista |
| Nick Pope’s red card. on 17:48 - Feb 21 by Wickets |
Indeed so why would it be an exception for a keeper ? as some seem to be arguing . Poor old Nick Pope ! |
The definition of a "goalscoring opportunity" somewhat changes when the keeper is not in the goal.
For example, a covering defender is enough to prevent the scenario being a goalscoring opportunity, but that's with a keeper still to beat. If the keeper is not there, then a covering defender is not enough to prevent the scenario being a goalscoring opportunity, as the striker has an open goal.
So i'd say if the keeper handles deliberately, and the ball would otherwise been in the possession of the attacker, its a red card. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 18:13]
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