| 21k ST Sales 14:44 - Apr 13 with 4692 views | hype313 |
I'm staggered, Marcus Evans must be thinking where did it all go wrong, especially for someone who made his money from selling tickets.
The irony. |  |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:08 - Apr 13 with 3715 views | homer_123 |
Is there is a difference between selling and touting? |  |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:14 - Apr 13 with 3703 views | portmanking |
There's one crucial difference. Gamechanger has engaged with the fan base, Evans tried his best to not even show his face to the fan base. The whole thing was utterly ridiculous when you look back now. |  | | |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:16 - Apr 13 with 3679 views | hype313 |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:14 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
There's one crucial difference. Gamechanger has engaged with the fan base, Evans tried his best to not even show his face to the fan base. The whole thing was utterly ridiculous when you look back now. |
Thing is at the time we had people like Vincent Tan being vocal and wanting to change club colours etc, so someone who remained quiet in the background seemed perfectly fine!
But Evans took it to another level! | |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:22 - Apr 13 with 3623 views | homer_123 |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:14 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
There's one crucial difference. Gamechanger has engaged with the fan base, Evans tried his best to not even show his face to the fan base. The whole thing was utterly ridiculous when you look back now. |
The issue wasn't that he wanted to be unseen in the background but more that those he left running the Club weren't really that good and seemed somewhat 'hand tied' by Evans. | |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:25 - Apr 13 with 3586 views | Jon_456 |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:22 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
The issue wasn't that he wanted to be unseen in the background but more that those he left running the Club weren't really that good and seemed somewhat 'hand tied' by Evans. |
Looking back it does seem baffling that in his 10-15years he didn’t employ someone like MA who knew how to run a football club. | | | |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:26 - Apr 13 with 3573 views | LeoMuff |
The product on offer was so inferior in every way. |  |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:30 - Apr 13 with 3551 views | tractorboy1978 |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:22 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
The issue wasn't that he wanted to be unseen in the background but more that those he left running the Club weren't really that good and seemed somewhat 'hand tied' by Evans. |
The appointments GC have made to cover what was the remit of Lee O'Neill are probably in the double figures. The bloke really had no chance. | | | |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:35 - Apr 13 with 3481 views | Stewart27 |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:14 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
There's one crucial difference. Gamechanger has engaged with the fan base, Evans tried his best to not even show his face to the fan base. The whole thing was utterly ridiculous when you look back now. |
Yes it was completely weird.
An absolute control freak of the highest order. | | | |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:38 - Apr 13 with 3461 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:25 - Apr 13 by Jon_456 |
Looking back it does seem baffling that in his 10-15years he didn’t employ someone like MA who knew how to run a football club. |
Employing someone like Ashton would have meant that his 'final decision' would have been questioned every time by someone who actually knew what they were on about.
That wouldn't have ever sat well with Evans. |  |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:39 - Apr 13 with 3449 views | homer_123 |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:38 - Apr 13 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Employing someone like Ashton would have meant that his 'final decision' would have been questioned every time by someone who actually knew what they were on about.
That wouldn't have ever sat well with Evans. |
Hence hand tied. | |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:40 - Apr 13 with 3444 views | hype313 |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:38 - Apr 13 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Employing someone like Ashton would have meant that his 'final decision' would have been questioned every time by someone who actually knew what they were on about.
That wouldn't have ever sat well with Evans. |
Yep, Ashton would've lasted 5 minutes working for Evans.
Probably why LON had so many jobs, no one else could work with the guy. | |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:45 - Apr 13 with 3404 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:39 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
Hence hand tied. |
Yep. Every CEO and Manager we ever had under Evans was. | |
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| 21k ST Sales on 15:46 - Apr 13 with 3397 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:30 - Apr 13 by tractorboy1978 |
The appointments GC have made to cover what was the remit of Lee O'Neill are probably in the double figures. The bloke really had no chance. |
Indeed. I actually felt sorry of LO'N.
But he always seemed so happy to do it. Which I found really odd. | |
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| 21k ST Sales on 16:01 - Apr 13 with 3291 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:14 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
There's one crucial difference. Gamechanger has engaged with the fan base, Evans tried his best to not even show his face to the fan base. The whole thing was utterly ridiculous when you look back now. |
That's one difference. The other one that was just as crucial is that he didn't put a football person in as CEO to make the decisions. We either had people who knew nothing about football (Clegg) or who had some football experience but little and also who weren't used to leading. Ashton is a different level. Plus Evans wouldn't let them make decisions anyway (or at least wanted to be heavily involved when it was clear he didn't really know what he was doing either).
At least Evans was genuine and honest (so we could have had worse), but the compliments stop there from me. |  |
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| 21k ST Sales on 16:18 - Apr 13 with 3205 views | portmanking |
| 21k ST Sales on 16:01 - Apr 13 by Swansea_Blue |
That's one difference. The other one that was just as crucial is that he didn't put a football person in as CEO to make the decisions. We either had people who knew nothing about football (Clegg) or who had some football experience but little and also who weren't used to leading. Ashton is a different level. Plus Evans wouldn't let them make decisions anyway (or at least wanted to be heavily involved when it was clear he didn't really know what he was doing either).
At least Evans was genuine and honest (so we could have had worse), but the compliments stop there from me. |
Yes, good point. An MA figure rather than a Clegg mouthpiece would have been far more beneficial. Although I don't know if MA would have worked under Evans given that he was such a control freak... | | | |
| 21k ST Sales on 16:21 - Apr 13 with 3175 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 21k ST Sales on 16:18 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
Yes, good point. An MA figure rather than a Clegg mouthpiece would have been far more beneficial. Although I don't know if MA would have worked under Evans given that he was such a control freak... |
Yeah, I can't imagine that pairing working at all. I doubt either would have wanted the other. | |
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| 21k ST Sales on 16:30 - Apr 13 with 3125 views | clive_baker |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:25 - Apr 13 by Jon_456 |
Looking back it does seem baffling that in his 10-15years he didn’t employ someone like MA who knew how to run a football club. |
Quite. The same goes for any business really, you need to speculate to accumulate. Same can be said for the support team (or lack of) to give the players the best chance of a) staying fit and b) being the best versions of themselves possible. So short sighted to sign players on the sort of wages footballers earn but be reluctant to give them the tools to do their jobs.
I wouldn't speculate what Ashton earns but I would think a £1m annual investment in 5 - 10 key personnel off the pitch will generate a much better ROI than spending that money on 2 bang average players who can't get or stay fit. The amount of dross we carried on our wage bill while simultaneously cutting back to the extent we did off the pitch was ludicrous. |  |
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| 21k ST Sales on 17:16 - Apr 13 with 2912 views | Chrisd |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:22 - Apr 13 by homer_123 |
The issue wasn't that he wanted to be unseen in the background but more that those he left running the Club weren't really that good and seemed somewhat 'hand tied' by Evans. |
That’s somewhat unfair, if you are asking people to do 3 different roles and expecting them to do a good job then that’s a huge ask. Cutting corners was ME’s approach and doing things on the cheap expecting things to go well was his legacy. It’s like chalk and cheese now, we really do feel like a club ready for lift off. Under ME it was like we were simply kicking a can down the street hoping something good would happen. | |
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| 21k ST Sales on 17:23 - Apr 13 with 2843 views | bobbyramsey |
It’s almost as if he didn’t know what he was doing……… |  | | |
| 21k ST Sales on 17:34 - Apr 13 with 2790 views | davblue |
| 21k ST Sales on 16:01 - Apr 13 by Swansea_Blue |
That's one difference. The other one that was just as crucial is that he didn't put a football person in as CEO to make the decisions. We either had people who knew nothing about football (Clegg) or who had some football experience but little and also who weren't used to leading. Ashton is a different level. Plus Evans wouldn't let them make decisions anyway (or at least wanted to be heavily involved when it was clear he didn't really know what he was doing either).
At least Evans was genuine and honest (so we could have had worse), but the compliments stop there from me. |
I think he was honest to a point but the 5 point plan was clearly bullsh1t, just words he had no idea what he was doing and no idea how to implement it either. |  | | |
| 21k sold in such a short time is crazy, what a season.. I just hope... on 17:51 - Apr 13 with 2703 views | unstableblue |
.. that the team can smash Charlton and Port Vale and set-us up for the final push for the Championship
It would be great for this young and promising team and exciting technical manager to pit their wits against bigger clubs in the Championship |  |
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| No the crucial difference is Marcus Evans couldn't idenitfy a modern football.. on 17:54 - Apr 13 with 2682 views | unstableblue |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:14 - Apr 13 by portmanking |
There's one crucial difference. Gamechanger has engaged with the fan base, Evans tried his best to not even show his face to the fan base. The whole thing was utterly ridiculous when you look back now. |
... CEO and manager even if they were presented to him on a velvet cushion with a big arrow saying these people are competent!!
Clegg, Milne
Keane, Jewell, Mick, Hurst, Lambert, Cook
Frightening - who the feck was advising him??
I mean Keane so many red flags on him it was ridiculous. | |
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| 21k sold in such a short time is crazy, what a season.. I just hope... on 18:22 - Apr 13 with 2553 views | LeoMuff |
| 21k sold in such a short time is crazy, what a season.. I just hope... on 17:51 - Apr 13 by unstableblue |
.. that the team can smash Charlton and Port Vale and set-us up for the final push for the Championship
It would be great for this young and promising team and exciting technical manager to pit their wits against bigger clubs in the Championship |
Also slightly concerned someone else might make him an offer he can’t refuse. | |
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| No the crucial difference is Marcus Evans couldn't idenitfy a modern football.. on 19:17 - Apr 13 with 2322 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| No the crucial difference is Marcus Evans couldn't idenitfy a modern football.. on 17:54 - Apr 13 by unstableblue |
... CEO and manager even if they were presented to him on a velvet cushion with a big arrow saying these people are competent!!
Clegg, Milne
Keane, Jewell, Mick, Hurst, Lambert, Cook
Frightening - who the feck was advising him??
I mean Keane so many red flags on him it was ridiculous. |
Not all those managerial decisions were bad ones on the face of it, at the time. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| 21k ST Sales on 22:48 - Apr 13 with 2014 views | Sharkey |
| 21k ST Sales on 15:26 - Apr 13 by LeoMuff |
The product on offer was so inferior in every way. |
Well, not the opposition. |  | | |
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