| Bit of a mixed bag that 22:31 - Aug 9 with 4248 views | Dubtractor |
Positives
Comfortable 2-0 win
Slicker was impressive, and looks very good with his feet.
Leigh played well, and will continue to be a good understudy to Davis.
Ball solid at right back.
Good to get some minutes into Baggot, albeit he looked a bit rough round the edges at times.
Jackson played pretty well.
Humphreys really impressive with his cameo from the bench.
Our fitness levels look very high indeed - the way we pressed from start to finish stopped them getting any foothold at all.
Negatives
Evans had a really poor game, his passing was absolute toilet on so many occasions.
Harness looks a player that really doesn't belong in our squad any more, made really poor use of the ball in the final third.
Hutchinson would really benefit from watching the way Aluko played when he replaced him. Much better decision making in terms of when to dribble, and when to just recycle the ball.
Ladapo was excellent off the ball in terms of press and work rate, but so little quality with it tonight. [Post edited 9 Aug 2023 22:34]
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 22:33 - Aug 9 with 3875 views | Radlett_blue |
Harness should be on his way. Hutchinson needs to learn about what is required at this level or else he'll be sent back in January. |  |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 22:38 - Aug 9 with 3755 views | Herbivore |
Personally thought it was a good run out for our second string. They're a solid mid table League 1 side and they looked close to full strength whereas we'd gone for a full blown reserve team and we pretty much dominated the game. |  |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 22:48 - Aug 9 with 3608 views | WeirdFishes |
Agree with most of the positives, what impressed me about Baggott is that he didn’t let a couple of poor passes effect him, thought that was a really positive display from him against some decent league one forwards.
I don’t think there was anything wrong with Lee Evans performance at all. Harness was a weird one, he’d link up really well but like you say final ball wasn’t really there but I’d argue he didn’t really have anyone to give it too.
Not Ladapo’s finest game that. |  |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 22:48 - Aug 9 with 3598 views | GlasgowBlue |
Evans sounded decent from the commentary on the wireless. |  |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 22:54 - Aug 9 with 3530 views | Dubtractor |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 22:38 - Aug 9 by Herbivore |
Personally thought it was a good run out for our second string. They're a solid mid table League 1 side and they looked close to full strength whereas we'd gone for a full blown reserve team and we pretty much dominated the game. |
Pretty much agree with that, but I was disappointed with a few of the individual performances. Not the end of the world, and even allowing for those it was a big step up on our usual league cup early round efforts! | |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 23:05 - Aug 9 with 3415 views | tractorboy1978 |
Learning off someone like Aluko is exactly why Hutchinson is here.
Must admit, I am quite surprised by the negativity on here tonight. I thought that was very comfortable and we won with ease. Harness, Hutchinson and Ladapo aren't as good as Chaplin, Broadhead and Ladapo. Evans isn't as good as Morsy or Luongo. We didn't really learn anything new. |  | | |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 23:12 - Aug 9 with 3367 views | LankHenners |
Broadly agree, think there was a bit of a split tonight between players that can be depended on if needed and those that are clearly a bit of a downgrade on those ahead of them.
Leigh very tidy, Davis obviously one of our best players full stop but Leigh a reliable deputy. Ball looked a level above his direct opponents, which you'd hope he would to be fair, but again looks a fairly solid versatile option. Baggot had 2 or 3 blips early on but grew into the game, can see his qualities and if we can think it would be beneficial to find him a good loan to improve him. Thought Taylor got about very well, looked very sharp nipping in to win the ball and took his goal well, though Morsy+Luongo probably the more 'solid' duo atm.
Thought Hutchinson was very much what you generally expect from a young player of his style with little to no first team experience. Some good bits of play, always tried to be positive, BR were quick to double up on him so were clearly worried about giving him too much room, but at times overplayed it or asked a bit much of his teammates (though in his defence some of the time I'd put more of the blame on the receiver being flat footed). Good comment re: Aluko - certainly a mentoring opportunity there.
Would put Jackson in with Harness and Evans as players that I don't really want to see much of if we don't have to. Had some bright moments but doesn't have the same level of composure or technical ability as Burns. Can't question his work-rate and with lots of space to run into he can use his pace well but otherwise looks a little lost and struggles to use the ball effectively. Harness was lively but agree was poor on the ball and the difference between him and Broadhead is vast. Evans was crap, a couple of nice sweeps out wide but a lot of loose passes and not the same presence in midfield as any of the other senior CMs.
Difference between Hirst and Lapado is getting a bit starker with each passing game. Thought he did well enough but even in a short spell tonight you can see the step up in quality Hirst has. Definitely need another quality forward in the building if we want to make some serious progression this season. |  |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 23:25 - Aug 9 with 3262 views | wkj |
I honestly think the team did what needed to be done and its a hard game to make too many judgements over. I have to say, we now have squad depth to handle cup games and we don't savage our youth team's confidence by shoving most of them out there, and I really appreciate that a lot.
I do think it is clear to see there are a few who will likely be moved on if a bid comes in - but honestly, the overall biggest positive for me is that it really feels like we are back in our comfort zone again. We're in the right league for this squad and we're approaching cup games with respect. [Post edited 9 Aug 2023 23:26]
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 23:46 - Aug 9 with 3129 views | tractorshark |
The problem with Ladapo is he's not really good enough to make an impact in the Championship, certainly not the top half at least.
So while he did well for us last season, I would be very worried if Hirst gets injured and he's our backup.
I'm not overly worried about his goal tally, our No10s are capable of filling that void. It's more the link-up play and passing that is lacking at this level. | | | |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 00:10 - Aug 10 with 3007 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 22:38 - Aug 9 by Herbivore |
Personally thought it was a good run out for our second string. They're a solid mid table League 1 side and they looked close to full strength whereas we'd gone for a full blown reserve team and we pretty much dominated the game. |
Last season our second string lost to League 2's ColU at this stage. This time, our second string beat a Lg 1 side who kept 8/11 starters from their near-away-win at Pompey on Saturday.
And, we played in the same way as our first XI.
For me, that is progress. Big progress. | | | |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 02:05 - Aug 10 with 2804 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 23:05 - Aug 9 by tractorboy1978 |
Learning off someone like Aluko is exactly why Hutchinson is here.
Must admit, I am quite surprised by the negativity on here tonight. I thought that was very comfortable and we won with ease. Harness, Hutchinson and Ladapo aren't as good as Chaplin, Broadhead and Ladapo. Evans isn't as good as Morsy or Luongo. We didn't really learn anything new. |
Chelsea loaned him to us to learn from Aluko?
I was quite excited by the loan until I realised he's not actually being played where I thought he would be.
Shame. |  |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 06:41 - Aug 10 with 2500 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 02:05 - Aug 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Chelsea loaned him to us to learn from Aluko?
I was quite excited by the loan until I realised he's not actually being played where I thought he would be.
Shame. |
Loaned him to us to iron out his flaws - part of that is learning from more senior pros. | | | |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 07:33 - Aug 10 with 2186 views | textbackup |
This is spot on, no idea how it got downvoted. |  |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 07:41 - Aug 10 with 2132 views | textbackup |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 23:05 - Aug 9 by tractorboy1978 |
Learning off someone like Aluko is exactly why Hutchinson is here.
Must admit, I am quite surprised by the negativity on here tonight. I thought that was very comfortable and we won with ease. Harness, Hutchinson and Ladapo aren't as good as Chaplin, Broadhead and Ladapo. Evans isn't as good as Morsy or Luongo. We didn't really learn anything new. |
I’m not so sure it’s negativity, more that it’s clear to see the massive difference between the back up squad and the first team squad.
Last season everyone was wet over our two quality teams that we could field in league 1… where now the step up to the championship is huge, and from what I saw, and seemingly others too, the second team aren’t really close to the same quality. | |
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| Agree in part - but Baggot was the opposite of rough round the edges on 07:42 - Aug 10 with 2133 views | unstableblue |
He was really composed on the ball, and his passing was really effect (bar a few very minor early blips), check out how he turns to take the ball out of the box after Slicker save, see pass to Hirst ahead of Aluko goal, it was class. Plus some of his heading was strong.
I agree Hutchison was overall a little ineffective given the opportunities on the ball he had.
Agree Ladapo was in the right place sometimes but his attacking play was way off, didn’t get a good headed chance on target.
Agree Jackson was pretty good all night, and I think will continue to earn a bench place.
Harness was a mixed bag, it wasn’t all as bad as some are making out, but at times he’s making the wrong decisions or his final ball is just off.
I think Leigh is good enough to play in the first team, his athleticism is top draw. He stays behind Leif obviously.
Edmundson was back to his best I thought last night.
Evans was pretty good I thought, some of longer passing had fizz and impressive, agree he needs more energy.
Ball and Taylor were standout performers. Not sure Taylor is still quite at his best, but their is good progress, and now his first goal. [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 7:45]
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 07:48 - Aug 10 with 2078 views | Herbivore |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 07:41 - Aug 10 by textbackup |
I’m not so sure it’s negativity, more that it’s clear to see the massive difference between the back up squad and the first team squad.
Last season everyone was wet over our two quality teams that we could field in league 1… where now the step up to the championship is huge, and from what I saw, and seemingly others too, the second team aren’t really close to the same quality. |
We made XI changes from Sunday and comfortably beat a solid League 1 side who were pretty much at full strength. That suggests our back up players are largely decent. I doubt the XI last night has even trained together as a unit before this week let alone played together, so naturally they aren't going to be as cohesive as our starting XI. I'd feel happier with a couple more reinforcements through the door, but last night was a decent run out and personally I'm surprised to see people fretting over what was a decent performance and comfortable win from our reserves. | |
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| Agree in part - but Baggot was the opposite of rough round the edges on 07:49 - Aug 10 with 2072 views | Dubtractor |
| Agree in part - but Baggot was the opposite of rough round the edges on 07:42 - Aug 10 by unstableblue |
He was really composed on the ball, and his passing was really effect (bar a few very minor early blips), check out how he turns to take the ball out of the box after Slicker save, see pass to Hirst ahead of Aluko goal, it was class. Plus some of his heading was strong.
I agree Hutchison was overall a little ineffective given the opportunities on the ball he had.
Agree Ladapo was in the right place sometimes but his attacking play was way off, didn’t get a good headed chance on target.
Agree Jackson was pretty good all night, and I think will continue to earn a bench place.
Harness was a mixed bag, it wasn’t all as bad as some are making out, but at times he’s making the wrong decisions or his final ball is just off.
I think Leigh is good enough to play in the first team, his athleticism is top draw. He stays behind Leif obviously.
Edmundson was back to his best I thought last night.
Evans was pretty good I thought, some of longer passing had fizz and impressive, agree he needs more energy.
Ball and Taylor were standout performers. Not sure Taylor is still quite at his best, but their is good progress, and now his first goal. [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 7:45]
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Rough around the edges is prob the wrong turn of phrase for Baggot. In the first half he was occasionally a bit naive or outsmarted positionally by their forwards. He generally recovered the situation, but it will be a good learning experience for him. Agree he was very composed with the ball.
On Hutchinson, just to be clear, I'm not writing him off at all and you can see the raw ingredients are there, but I think it'll be a couple of months before we see him making an effective contribution for us. Not unusual at all for a young loan player. [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 7:50]
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 07:49 - Aug 10 with 2066 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 02:05 - Aug 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Chelsea loaned him to us to learn from Aluko?
I was quite excited by the loan until I realised he's not actually being played where I thought he would be.
Shame. |
“he's not actually being played where I thought he would be”
Just more evidence that you don’t know as much as you think you do. To be honest that’s a bit too generous- at times you make Chris Sutton look knowledgeable and reasoned… | | | |
| Agree in part - but Baggot was the opposite of rough round the edges on 07:58 - Aug 10 with 2005 views | unstableblue |
| Agree in part - but Baggot was the opposite of rough round the edges on 07:49 - Aug 10 by Dubtractor |
Rough around the edges is prob the wrong turn of phrase for Baggot. In the first half he was occasionally a bit naive or outsmarted positionally by their forwards. He generally recovered the situation, but it will be a good learning experience for him. Agree he was very composed with the ball.
On Hutchinson, just to be clear, I'm not writing him off at all and you can see the raw ingredients are there, but I think it'll be a couple of months before we see him making an effective contribution for us. Not unusual at all for a young loan player. [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 7:50]
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For me Baggot had some very minor issues at the start of the game, after that he looked a standout player, very classy and for me looks like he could go a long way in his career. His height and speed/mobility for a centre back are going to make him really valuable. Going to be interesting to see if he is kept as Burgess back-up or loaned out. May depend on new signings. If we have a run in the cup that will be positive for him. I think he’s closer to the first team than many think and will have impressed McKenna last night.
I’m with you on Hutchison, he was good against Luton where he played wider right and linked with ball coming into the the box from the side or on the line. Seemed to suit him. Last night as more central… and while there were moments, I’m not convinced he’s effective enough as an impact sub for Burns, Chaplin or Broadhead. I don’t think Jackson is brilliant, but he did so much more positive delivery and attack than than the Chelsea player… albeit young Omari did redirect a Jackson cross ball for Taylor to convert.
Evans was not as bad as many are saying also… some solid passing… but not enough energy | |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 08:08 - Aug 10 with 1921 views | textbackup |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 07:48 - Aug 10 by Herbivore |
We made XI changes from Sunday and comfortably beat a solid League 1 side who were pretty much at full strength. That suggests our back up players are largely decent. I doubt the XI last night has even trained together as a unit before this week let alone played together, so naturally they aren't going to be as cohesive as our starting XI. I'd feel happier with a couple more reinforcements through the door, but last night was a decent run out and personally I'm surprised to see people fretting over what was a decent performance and comfortable win from our reserves. |
Maybe I’m more frustrated at how poor the likes of harness for example were, guys that we know will be coming on.
As you say, a bit more quality added would be very handy in next week or so. | |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 08:18 - Aug 10 with 1827 views | Herbivore |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 08:08 - Aug 10 by textbackup |
Maybe I’m more frustrated at how poor the likes of harness for example were, guys that we know will be coming on.
As you say, a bit more quality added would be very handy in next week or so. |
Harness was loose with the ball and that's frustrating, but that's Harness really. He works very hard and does some things really well and then he's just as likely to fall over the ball or misplace a 5 yard pass. Like you I'd ideally like someone better as our first choice replacement off the bench because, whilst he does some things really well, that doesn't compensate for how often he gives the ball away. | |
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 08:25 - Aug 10 with 1785 views | RadioOrwell |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 23:05 - Aug 9 by tractorboy1978 |
Learning off someone like Aluko is exactly why Hutchinson is here.
Must admit, I am quite surprised by the negativity on here tonight. I thought that was very comfortable and we won with ease. Harness, Hutchinson and Ladapo aren't as good as Chaplin, Broadhead and Ladapo. Evans isn't as good as Morsy or Luongo. We didn't really learn anything new. |
This is why I hate loans like this.
We'll train him up for a year - without him giving us very much - and then he goes off and plays for someone else. |  | | |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 08:28 - Aug 10 with 1762 views | RadioOrwell |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 06:41 - Aug 10 by tractorboy1978 |
Loaned him to us to iron out his flaws - part of that is learning from more senior pros. |
all in order to benefit Chelsea.
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| Bit of a mixed bag that on 08:39 - Aug 10 with 1679 views | Mullet |
| Bit of a mixed bag that on 08:28 - Aug 10 by RadioOrwell |
all in order to benefit Chelsea.
awesome. |
Same thing happens with us when we sent out Baggott, el Miz, Ndaba etc and has done for years. Some will work out when they come back (Woolfy and Downes) most won't. |  |
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| Agree in part - but Baggot was the opposite of rough round the edges on 08:54 - Aug 10 with 1612 views | Guthrum |
| Agree in part - but Baggot was the opposite of rough round the edges on 07:42 - Aug 10 by unstableblue |
He was really composed on the ball, and his passing was really effect (bar a few very minor early blips), check out how he turns to take the ball out of the box after Slicker save, see pass to Hirst ahead of Aluko goal, it was class. Plus some of his heading was strong.
I agree Hutchison was overall a little ineffective given the opportunities on the ball he had.
Agree Ladapo was in the right place sometimes but his attacking play was way off, didn’t get a good headed chance on target.
Agree Jackson was pretty good all night, and I think will continue to earn a bench place.
Harness was a mixed bag, it wasn’t all as bad as some are making out, but at times he’s making the wrong decisions or his final ball is just off.
I think Leigh is good enough to play in the first team, his athleticism is top draw. He stays behind Leif obviously.
Edmundson was back to his best I thought last night.
Evans was pretty good I thought, some of longer passing had fizz and impressive, agree he needs more energy.
Ball and Taylor were standout performers. Not sure Taylor is still quite at his best, but their is good progress, and now his first goal. [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 7:45]
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I thought Baggott had an extremely good game last night. He was the outlet from defence most of the time - and an effective one at that.
Afraid I judge Harness rather more severely than Ladapo. So many of the former's passes went astray, he got dispossessed or was not quite in the right place and he is operating in a position more critical to our style of play. Precision is vital in breaking through on goal. It's not lack of effort, no fault there. Just that things nearly, but don't quite, come off.
Ladapo has a bit more leeway because his role is more about holding the ball up and causing trouble for defenders. Sure, his shooting could be more accurate (it was towards the end of last season), but Hirst blazed over as well. |  |
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