| Lack of academy talent coming through.. 09:44 - Aug 16 with 4959 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Doesn't seem like there are many U21s knocking on the first team door at the moment, the first time for a long time that we haven't had a few hopefuls there or thereabouts.
Humphreys aside, no other youngsters spring to mind.
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 09:48 - Aug 16 with 3794 views | itfc_bucks |
Most likely a reflection on the atrophy that spread through the club under the Evans regime.
It'll take time to rectify that. |  | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 09:51 - Aug 16 with 3758 views | xrayspecs |
Humphreys and Baggott.
There was a clear out of the older players in the development squad during the summer, so most are now U19s or younger.
Bradshaw, Ayinde and Lavin (U20); The Barbrook twins, Carr and Foyo (U19); and Valentine and Morgan (U18) all featured for the first team pre-season so are probably the closest along with Agbaje who played in the Pizza last season but is currently injured. The transition from age group to senior football is a massive step up, as we are seeing with Humph, Baggott and to an extent Hutchinson who has joined us from Chelsea. | | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 09:55 - Aug 16 with 3700 views | EssexBloo |
To have Humphreys and Baggott (19 and 20) is exciting. I don’t think we should expect more than that should we?
The one I’m interested in is Morgan as he really impressed me last year, maybe a question for Joe but I wonder if he’s one that would have a future with the first team. | | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 09:57 - Aug 16 with 3669 views | ITFCBlues |
If you look at U21 results in isolation, then probably not. |  |
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 09:58 - Aug 16 with 3662 views | RegencyBlue |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 09:48 - Aug 16 by itfc_bucks |
Most likely a reflection on the atrophy that spread through the club under the Evans regime.
It'll take time to rectify that. |
This!
Can’t imagine we were a desirable destination for aspiring kids under the Evans regime, particularly its latter years. |  | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:03 - Aug 16 with 3617 views | MattinLondon |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 09:51 - Aug 16 by xrayspecs |
Humphreys and Baggott.
There was a clear out of the older players in the development squad during the summer, so most are now U19s or younger.
Bradshaw, Ayinde and Lavin (U20); The Barbrook twins, Carr and Foyo (U19); and Valentine and Morgan (U18) all featured for the first team pre-season so are probably the closest along with Agbaje who played in the Pizza last season but is currently injured. The transition from age group to senior football is a massive step up, as we are seeing with Humph, Baggott and to an extent Hutchinson who has joined us from Chelsea. |
The step up to mens football is immense. Charlie Brown was the leading scorer for the U20s Champions League but now he’s in L2. Still a professional footballer though.
It must be hard for youngsters at around 18-21. Football has probably been their everything since 6 or 7. Seen so many friends get rejected, been disciplined, but then with the light at the end of the tunnel some get dropped. No wonder many go to top clubs - more branches on the way down to cushion the fall. |  | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:05 - Aug 16 with 3602 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 09:51 - Aug 16 by xrayspecs |
Humphreys and Baggott.
There was a clear out of the older players in the development squad during the summer, so most are now U19s or younger.
Bradshaw, Ayinde and Lavin (U20); The Barbrook twins, Carr and Foyo (U19); and Valentine and Morgan (U18) all featured for the first team pre-season so are probably the closest along with Agbaje who played in the Pizza last season but is currently injured. The transition from age group to senior football is a massive step up, as we are seeing with Humph, Baggott and to an extent Hutchinson who has joined us from Chelsea. |
Ah yes, forgot Baggott.
But I meant below that, not hearing much noise from the U17s/U18s.
I thought Sizibe might be the one, alas no. | |
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:05 - Aug 16 with 3593 views | Darth_Koont |
That’s more than anything what happens to ambitious, upwardly mobile teams. We’ll see 1 or 2 max break into the senior squad per year. As we did under our most successful spells over the past few decades.
Before that we used the academy and younger players as squad filler when we were juggling sand. But that wasn’t a reflection of better youngsters. They’ll now need to be much better to force their way into a winning team.
The dwindling of opportunities for young players and them likely having to move on in greater numbers is the downside of success for all teams. |  |
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:11 - Aug 16 with 3540 views | bournemouthblue |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:05 - Aug 16 by Wallingford_Boy |
Ah yes, forgot Baggott.
But I meant below that, not hearing much noise from the U17s/U18s.
I thought Sizibe might be the one, alas no. |
There's a few in that youth cup team who looked promising, it's not always the ones who stand out who make it though, despite the more obvious talents
It will be interesting to see how a few of those develop, there's some talent in there |  |
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:12 - Aug 16 with 3537 views | Mookamoo |
We've had El Mizouni and Simpson in recent years, so it's not been a total write-off.
I'd argue El Mizouni could have had a squad place instead of Aluko |  | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:14 - Aug 16 with 3475 views | rodney76 |
Have we given upon achieving Cat, 1. status now?
It is important to have this, imo. as it will give us extra clout when looking to sign promising youth from other clubs.
We are not necessarily talking about youngsters who arrive at the club at a very early age and go through the entire system, but poached promisings from around the country.
It is also a question of local bragging rights and esteem now that the club is on the up.
Note how much the budgies have benefitted from poaching ... even Liam Gibbs from us, but more notably from further afield. Didn't they get Aarons from Luton too? £12m windfall. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 10:16]
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:20 - Aug 16 with 3426 views | Muncher |
I spoke to a former town academy coach this week who said we used to recruit smaller technical players to develop at a young age, we then shifted recruitment to big athletic players for a while like a lot of London clubs but that approach didn't work at all. He said not to expect any quality coming through the academy for a considerable time.
I suspect we are a few years off getting the infrastructure right, let alone recruiting, developing and retaining the players. | | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:27 - Aug 16 with 3365 views | MattinLondon |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:20 - Aug 16 by Muncher |
I spoke to a former town academy coach this week who said we used to recruit smaller technical players to develop at a young age, we then shifted recruitment to big athletic players for a while like a lot of London clubs but that approach didn't work at all. He said not to expect any quality coming through the academy for a considerable time.
I suspect we are a few years off getting the infrastructure right, let alone recruiting, developing and retaining the players. |
I’m not in-the-know at all - but I’ve been told that Valentine is viewed with great enthusiasm. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 11:25]
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:28 - Aug 16 with 3343 views | Guthrum |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:14 - Aug 16 by rodney76 |
Have we given upon achieving Cat, 1. status now?
It is important to have this, imo. as it will give us extra clout when looking to sign promising youth from other clubs.
We are not necessarily talking about youngsters who arrive at the club at a very early age and go through the entire system, but poached promisings from around the country.
It is also a question of local bragging rights and esteem now that the club is on the up.
Note how much the budgies have benefitted from poaching ... even Liam Gibbs from us, but more notably from further afield. Didn't they get Aarons from Luton too? £12m windfall. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 10:16]
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Not that we've given up, as such, but in light of the fact it's a practical impossibility outside the Prem (pretty much a closed shop), don't think the club considers it currently worth spending the time and effort on. |  |
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:41 - Aug 16 with 3255 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:27 - Aug 16 by MattinLondon |
I’m not in-the-know at all - but I’ve been told that Valentine is viewed with great enthusiasm. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 11:25]
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Yes, he is the name that seems to come up the most. Fingers crossed.. | |
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:02 - Aug 16 with 3149 views | xrayspecs |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:05 - Aug 16 by Darth_Koont |
That’s more than anything what happens to ambitious, upwardly mobile teams. We’ll see 1 or 2 max break into the senior squad per year. As we did under our most successful spells over the past few decades.
Before that we used the academy and younger players as squad filler when we were juggling sand. But that wasn’t a reflection of better youngsters. They’ll now need to be much better to force their way into a winning team.
The dwindling of opportunities for young players and them likely having to move on in greater numbers is the downside of success for all teams. |
My son was part of a county cricket talent development programme. At the trials, the head of junior cricket said the county considered the programme a success if one cricketer from each age group goes on to sign a pro deal with the club. There were around 100 in his age group on the programme he joined, which whittled down to about a dozen at U15 age, after which a few left each season. Just one player got a pro deal.
It is the same with football, in any season you need around 20 scholars (U17/18) and 20 academy players (U19-21) to fulfil fixtures but very few will make it to the first team.
Having Humpries and Baggott means we are doing ok. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 11:04]
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:04 - Aug 16 with 3143 views | xrayspecs |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:41 - Aug 16 by Wallingford_Boy |
Yes, he is the name that seems to come up the most. Fingers crossed.. |
Morgan looks very promising but a lot can happen | | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:23 - Aug 16 with 3027 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
We Ipswich supporters still have a weird fixation with the youth team, it's been a long time since Robson and Burley, and we're now in an era of big academies where anyone worth anything is on the books of one of the big academies and they usually do not filter down to clubs like us until they get released or sold. It is a different world. Our academy isn't the strongest as a result, and I mean no disrespect to our academy or players, but all the best young talent gets eaten up by the London clubs and unfortunately Norwich these days, and thus we are going to produce fewer players able to play first team football.
Under Evans, we did utilize a lot of youth products and the result was relegation and stagnation in the third tier. How many Ipswich academy products play in the Premiership? Downes, Pope (who we released) and? In the Championship, outside of Ipswich, there's Dozzell and? Most of our cast-offs end up in non-league, and the odd few that have made it ply their trade mostly in League One and Two or slightly lower, players like Kenlock, Dobra, Emmanuel, Lankaster, Bishop, Clements, McGavin, Georgiou, and Keough (ha!), the list goes on.
If we can produce one or two gems like Wolfenden and Humphries (and Clarke by extension) then it’s still doing its job, but it is never going to be what it was because football has changed. |  | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:27 - Aug 16 with 2993 views | TrumptonBlue |
What's happened to Buabo and Ward, who both had first-team minutes in the FA Cup last year? It was noticeable that they weren't involved with the first-team pre-season friendlies while other youngsters were. (Also Agbaje, but I know he was injured at the end of last season). [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 11:28]
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:37 - Aug 16 with 2947 views | Mookamoo |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:27 - Aug 16 by TrumptonBlue |
What's happened to Buabo and Ward, who both had first-team minutes in the FA Cup last year? It was noticeable that they weren't involved with the first-team pre-season friendlies while other youngsters were. (Also Agbaje, but I know he was injured at the end of last season). [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 11:28]
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Agbaje looked promising as well. We didn't develop him though - he was poached/signed from Shamrock Rovers | | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:47 - Aug 16 with 2857 views | SheffordBlue |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:37 - Aug 16 by Mookamoo |
Agbaje looked promising as well. We didn't develop him though - he was poached/signed from Shamrock Rovers |
He's still recovering from his injury last season but he did look the part. Ryan Carr is one who looks like he might breakthrough but he's another one signed from another club. | |
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| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:48 - Aug 16 with 2860 views | PhilTWTD |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 10:12 - Aug 16 by Mookamoo |
We've had El Mizouni and Simpson in recent years, so it's not been a total write-off.
I'd argue El Mizouni could have had a squad place instead of Aluko |
And we've got Humphreys and Baggott in and around the squad, and Ndaba, who us currently on loan in the Scottish top flight. Might be a couple we've released that could come back to bite us on the bum as well, in addition to Gibbs. Dobra had a few clubs watching him last year, so similar form this season could see a move up at least a couple of divisions. I'd say the academy has had a very decent record in recent years in terms of players coming through and playing at decent levels. |  | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:49 - Aug 16 with 2831 views | PhilTWTD |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:37 - Aug 16 by Mookamoo |
Agbaje looked promising as well. We didn't develop him though - he was poached/signed from Shamrock Rovers |
We brought him in at 16 as we used to all the Irish youngsters and think we've done a fair amount of work developing him since then. You couldn't sign them any earlier. We can only sign them at 18 now due to Brexit. | | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:52 - Aug 16 with 2813 views | PhilTWTD |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:04 - Aug 16 by xrayspecs |
Morgan looks very promising but a lot can happen |
Think both of those have got a chance, and one or two others. As you say, a lot can happen. Finlay Corrigan's progress was stalled by serious injury, for example. Hope he has a good season on loan at Hemel Hempstead. | | | |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 12:02 - Aug 16 with 2715 views | xrayspecs |
| Lack of academy talent coming through.. on 11:52 - Aug 16 by PhilTWTD |
Think both of those have got a chance, and one or two others. As you say, a lot can happen. Finlay Corrigan's progress was stalled by serious injury, for example. Hope he has a good season on loan at Hemel Hempstead. |
Do you know if Ward, Nwaubeze and Buabo are still at the club? I have not seen them mentioned this season. | | | |
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