| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? 13:34 - Aug 13 with 9303 views | N2_Blue |
Hope he’s ok and enjoying the superb start to the season. Always enjoyed their posts but can’t recall seeing anything since last season? |  |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 13:46 - Aug 13 with 5945 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
I noticed they had gone a little while ago and assumed it was to avoid transfer silly season! Hope Clive is doing well and returns soon |  |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 13:52 - Aug 13 with 5931 views | SitfcB |
Checking out by clive_baker 18 Mar 2020 17:17Hi all,
Hopefully not 'look at me', certainly not intentionally, I just wanted to wish everyone on here all the best over the coming weeks, which will no doubt be challenging. Goodness knows what they'll bring, but I know if people stick together and look out for one another it'll be a damn sight easier to handle. This place is a great outlet for that and a wonderful resource for Town fans and non to come together, keep up the great work.
Everyone needs to remember that it's perfectly acceptable not to agree on things, it doesn't make someone a bad person.
I, like many, have found recent days tough, and I can sense when I'm not the best version of myself. I'm going to take a little social media hiatus but I'll be back when the football returns.
All the best to you all in the meantime.
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:11 - Aug 13 with 5823 views | SitfcB |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 13:46 - Aug 13 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I noticed they had gone a little while ago and assumed it was to avoid transfer silly season! Hope Clive is doing well and returns soon |
There’s only one of him. | |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:24 - Aug 13 with 5747 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:11 - Aug 13 by SitfcB |
There’s only one of him. |
What's your obsession with this? I don't know who Clive is, therefore, they works. | |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:30 - Aug 13 with 5701 views | Vic |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:24 - Aug 13 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
What's your obsession with this? I don't know who Clive is, therefore, they works. |
Maybe Sitters knows Clive in real life and knows that ‘they’ are actually a he and ihappy to be called a he? |  |
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| He or she (he probably) can only be one person mate..... on 14:30 - Aug 13 with 5691 views | Bloots |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:24 - Aug 13 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
What's your obsession with this? I don't know who Clive is, therefore, they works. |
...."they" is plural. |  |
| "Great to see you back on here mate, I was considering deactivating my account if you hadn’t returned" - TWTD User (Aug 2025) |
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| He or she (he probably) can only be one person mate..... on 14:41 - Aug 13 with 5648 views | PhilTWTD |
| He or she (he probably) can only be one person mate..... on 14:30 - Aug 13 by Bloots |
...."they" is plural. |
They is also a singular, has been for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they |  | | |
| Not if you are a linguistic purist.... on 14:44 - Aug 13 with 5613 views | Bloots |
....which I are. | |
| "Great to see you back on here mate, I was considering deactivating my account if you hadn’t returned" - TWTD User (Aug 2025) |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:47 - Aug 13 with 5599 views | N2_Blue |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 13:52 - Aug 13 by SitfcB |
Checking out by clive_baker 18 Mar 2020 17:17Hi all,
Hopefully not 'look at me', certainly not intentionally, I just wanted to wish everyone on here all the best over the coming weeks, which will no doubt be challenging. Goodness knows what they'll bring, but I know if people stick together and look out for one another it'll be a damn sight easier to handle. This place is a great outlet for that and a wonderful resource for Town fans and non to come together, keep up the great work.
Everyone needs to remember that it's perfectly acceptable not to agree on things, it doesn't make someone a bad person.
I, like many, have found recent days tough, and I can sense when I'm not the best version of myself. I'm going to take a little social media hiatus but I'll be back when the football returns.
All the best to you all in the meantime.
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Cheers for letting me know. Had missed that. What a shame but understandable.
Anyway if you see this CB hope life is treating you well.
Edit: Just noted that post was from 2020. They were posting last season. Probably taken another break but hope they are ok [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 14:50]
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:51 - Aug 13 with 5549 views | JakeITFC |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 13:52 - Aug 13 by SitfcB |
Checking out by clive_baker 18 Mar 2020 17:17Hi all,
Hopefully not 'look at me', certainly not intentionally, I just wanted to wish everyone on here all the best over the coming weeks, which will no doubt be challenging. Goodness knows what they'll bring, but I know if people stick together and look out for one another it'll be a damn sight easier to handle. This place is a great outlet for that and a wonderful resource for Town fans and non to come together, keep up the great work.
Everyone needs to remember that it's perfectly acceptable not to agree on things, it doesn't make someone a bad person.
I, like many, have found recent days tough, and I can sense when I'm not the best version of myself. I'm going to take a little social media hiatus but I'll be back when the football returns.
All the best to you all in the meantime.
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That was before Covid - he’s posted since then. |  | | |
| He or she (he probably) can only be one person mate..... on 15:08 - Aug 13 with 5452 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| He or she (he probably) can only be one person mate..... on 14:30 - Aug 13 by Bloots |
...."they" is plural. |
They has been a singular or a plural for about 600 years mate | |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:10 - Aug 13 with 5442 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:30 - Aug 13 by Vic |
Maybe Sitters knows Clive in real life and knows that ‘they’ are actually a he and ihappy to be called a he? |
Yeah and that's great, but this is not the first time we've had the exact same passive aggressive nonsense about me trying to be inclusive when I don't know. Just smacks of stirring to me, but there we are. [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 15:10]
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:30 - Aug 13 with 5323 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:10 - Aug 13 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
Yeah and that's great, but this is not the first time we've had the exact same passive aggressive nonsense about me trying to be inclusive when I don't know. Just smacks of stirring to me, but there we are. [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 15:10]
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It's all a bit odd.
I have got into the habit of using they/them for all sorts of practical reasons.
Stop being a tw@t Sitters. |  |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:47 - Aug 13 with 5230 views | SitfcB |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 14:51 - Aug 13 by JakeITFC |
That was before Covid - he’s posted since then. |
Ah sorry, I googled the username and that’s the first post I saw, username has been deleted. | |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:48 - Aug 13 with 5226 views | SitfcB |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:30 - Aug 13 by J2BLUE |
It's all a bit odd.
I have got into the habit of using they/them for all sorts of practical reasons.
Stop being a tw@t Sitters. |
It’s he or she, and we know who the she’s are on here  | |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:53 - Aug 13 with 5161 views | N2_Blue |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:47 - Aug 13 by SitfcB |
Ah sorry, I googled the username and that’s the first post I saw, username has been deleted. |
What a shame. He was one of the best posters on here in my opinion. Will miss his input. | |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 16:25 - Aug 13 with 5030 views | DJR |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:30 - Aug 13 by J2BLUE |
It's all a bit odd.
I have got into the habit of using they/them for all sorts of practical reasons.
Stop being a tw@t Sitters. |
Speaking as a former Parliamentary drafter (note drafter not draftsman), gender-neutral drafting has been used for some time in legislation, and predates current controversies about gender identity and the like.
In legal writing, masculine language has traditionally been used to refer to people regardless of their gender. Examples include the use of masculine pronouns (he/him) and nouns such as chairman.
The practice for legislation changed in 2007, and in fact pre-dated that in the office I worked in. Since then, it has been government policy to write legislation in gender-neutral language.
If you are interested, the following s a link to guidance on gender-neutral drafting which includes three basic ways to avoid gender-specific pronouns, which are illustrated with examples:.
repeat the noun (for example, “a person is entitled to a benefit if the person...”);
change the pronoun (for example, by using “they” or “their” in the singular: “a person fails to comply with their duty...”);
rewrite to avoid the need for a pronoun (for example, “It is an offence for a person to...”, rather than “A person commits an offence if he...”).
https://7a21077a.flowpaper.com/GuidetoGenderNeutralDrafting/#page=1
So if it government policy requires the use of terms such as "they" in legislation, it's perfectly acceptable for someone to use them on TWTD. Indeed to object would seem to me to amount to a form of cancel culture. [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 16:37]
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 16:40 - Aug 13 with 4925 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 16:25 - Aug 13 by DJR |
Speaking as a former Parliamentary drafter (note drafter not draftsman), gender-neutral drafting has been used for some time in legislation, and predates current controversies about gender identity and the like.
In legal writing, masculine language has traditionally been used to refer to people regardless of their gender. Examples include the use of masculine pronouns (he/him) and nouns such as chairman.
The practice for legislation changed in 2007, and in fact pre-dated that in the office I worked in. Since then, it has been government policy to write legislation in gender-neutral language.
If you are interested, the following s a link to guidance on gender-neutral drafting which includes three basic ways to avoid gender-specific pronouns, which are illustrated with examples:.
repeat the noun (for example, “a person is entitled to a benefit if the person...”);
change the pronoun (for example, by using “they” or “their” in the singular: “a person fails to comply with their duty...”);
rewrite to avoid the need for a pronoun (for example, “It is an offence for a person to...”, rather than “A person commits an offence if he...”).
https://7a21077a.flowpaper.com/GuidetoGenderNeutralDrafting/#page=1
So if it government policy requires the use of terms such as "they" in legislation, it's perfectly acceptable for someone to use them on TWTD. Indeed to object would seem to me to amount to a form of cancel culture. [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 16:37]
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when sex is unknown or the use is intended to be inclusive of both sexes, legislation seems the perfect example, the singular use of they etc seems absolutely uncontroversial to me. also if you know it's what someone wants - since ignoring what someone wants when referring to them would be impolite. but using it as a default, which I don't think is the case on this thread, is a bit ugly. |  |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 16:59 - Aug 13 with 4803 views | DJR |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 16:40 - Aug 13 by lowhouseblue |
when sex is unknown or the use is intended to be inclusive of both sexes, legislation seems the perfect example, the singular use of they etc seems absolutely uncontroversial to me. also if you know it's what someone wants - since ignoring what someone wants when referring to them would be impolite. but using it as a default, which I don't think is the case on this thread, is a bit ugly. |
And you are entitled to that view, just as much as the person using the term "they" is entitled to use that term.
I suppose my argument is live and let live, and let's not get bogged down in culture wars which the right use for political reasons.
The latest example is an article in the Telegraph where Kemi Badenoch is arguing for a ban on gender-neutral toilets in public places.
I have been to several places recently with gender-neutral toilets, especially restaurants with very little space. I didn't bat an eye-lid, and can't really see how they're can be a safety issue given they can be locked.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/gender-neutral-lavatories-are-an-inv
And is she seriously suggesting separate toilets on trains, or the removal of those Dr Who like single toilets you see around Leicester Square, or the removal of any toilet where there is not space for another?
EDIT: when it comes to culture wars, even the Telegraph appears to have picked up on the nonsense of the following, which is clear cancel culture, something the left is often accused of.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/shakespeare-s-romeo-and-juliet [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 17:04]
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 17:04 - Aug 13 with 4766 views | Ryorry |
We exchanged some friendly PMs last summer, he said he was OK & had moved 7 months previously to a house with a larger plot for veg growing.
Then same again a few months later in Dec. '22. He wasn't happy with certain aspects of the forum, incl. a couple of people posting on it.
Greatly miss him, he was a top poster. I do hope he's well and enjoying his new garden 👍 |  |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 17:05 - Aug 13 with 4725 views | SomethingBlue |
One of the genuinely insightful posters on this board – hope he returns. | |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 17:08 - Aug 13 with 4694 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 16:59 - Aug 13 by DJR |
And you are entitled to that view, just as much as the person using the term "they" is entitled to use that term.
I suppose my argument is live and let live, and let's not get bogged down in culture wars which the right use for political reasons.
The latest example is an article in the Telegraph where Kemi Badenoch is arguing for a ban on gender-neutral toilets in public places.
I have been to several places recently with gender-neutral toilets, especially restaurants with very little space. I didn't bat an eye-lid, and can't really see how they're can be a safety issue given they can be locked.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/gender-neutral-lavatories-are-an-inv
And is she seriously suggesting separate toilets on trains, or the removal of those Dr Who like single toilets you see around Leicester Square, or the removal of any toilet where there is not space for another?
EDIT: when it comes to culture wars, even the Telegraph appears to have picked up on the nonsense of the following, which is clear cancel culture, something the left is often accused of.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/shakespeare-s-romeo-and-juliet [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 17:04]
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I think that is for new builds and won't have any impact at all on places like you mention. | |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 17:28 - Aug 13 with 4561 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 16:59 - Aug 13 by DJR |
And you are entitled to that view, just as much as the person using the term "they" is entitled to use that term.
I suppose my argument is live and let live, and let's not get bogged down in culture wars which the right use for political reasons.
The latest example is an article in the Telegraph where Kemi Badenoch is arguing for a ban on gender-neutral toilets in public places.
I have been to several places recently with gender-neutral toilets, especially restaurants with very little space. I didn't bat an eye-lid, and can't really see how they're can be a safety issue given they can be locked.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/gender-neutral-lavatories-are-an-inv
And is she seriously suggesting separate toilets on trains, or the removal of those Dr Who like single toilets you see around Leicester Square, or the removal of any toilet where there is not space for another?
EDIT: when it comes to culture wars, even the Telegraph appears to have picked up on the nonsense of the following, which is clear cancel culture, something the left is often accused of.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/shakespeare-s-romeo-and-juliet [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 17:04]
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i'm not sure how my comment is "bogged down in culture wars"? very strange.
i think there needs to be a new internet law to match godwin's law - the first person to use the phase 'culture war' is always the person fighting the 'culture war'.
is she actually arguing for a 'ban' on gender-neutral toilets? i thought she was saying that new public buildings needed to include sex segregated toilets as well as anything else they may provide - a positive duty to include rather than any ban. the examples you give of single cubicles seem entirely right as they are and I'm sure she's not proposing to change trains etc. | |
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 17:51 - Aug 13 with 4429 views | EdwardStone |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 17:04 - Aug 13 by Ryorry |
We exchanged some friendly PMs last summer, he said he was OK & had moved 7 months previously to a house with a larger plot for veg growing.
Then same again a few months later in Dec. '22. He wasn't happy with certain aspects of the forum, incl. a couple of people posting on it.
Greatly miss him, he was a top poster. I do hope he's well and enjoying his new garden 👍 |
Many thanks for the update... I'm glad he is still about and doing well.
You don't happen to know any news about Jeera at all....another of my fave posters who has sadly disappeared [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 17:51]
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| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 18:17 - Aug 13 with 4291 views | PhilTWTD |
| Anyone seen Clive Baker post recently? on 15:48 - Aug 13 by SitfcB |
It’s he or she, and we know who the she’s are on here |
I wouldn't be so sure of that. | | | |
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